2015 UMP DIRTcar B-Mod Rules

hey hittman here is clue for belleclaire has been around for over 60 years and not much changed and some the best racing that you find anywhere in area its not the drivers left its the fans are not showing up like they use many fans can only go one night and it might not be friday night
 
Revin said:
These are the rules we ran in 2014, they seemed to be pretty fair and the racing was good as well!

2014 TCS B-Modified Rules
1 – Weight will be as follows:
2500lbs after race w/driver,
2550lbs after race w/driver with Bert or Brinn Transmission
2400lbs after race w/driver with 602 GM Crate Motor
2450lbs after race w/driver with 602 GM Crate Motor with Bert or Brinn Transmission
****4-Bar cars add 100lbs (2600lbs)****

2- Gauge Legal Holley 4412 500 2-Barrel---NO AEROSALS!
Holley 80541-1 650 4-Barrel on Crate Motor ONLY!

3- Fuel will be PUMP GAS, E-85 or RACING GAS ONLY! NO Methanol, Nitrous or
Fuel Additives of any kind Allowed!

4- Tires:
Hoosier E-Mod 26.5 or 27.5 “A or H” Compound or Hoosier IMCA ONLY!
Grooving & Siping will be Allowed! NO Softening or Chemical Altering Allowed!

5- NO Quickchange Rearends

6- Engines- Cast Iron Block & Heads ONLY! No Aluminum Blocks or Heads Allowed!

7- NO Roller Camshafts or Rev-Kits will be Allowed!

8 - A 5” Rear Spoiler will be Allowed

9 - ALL OTHER BODY & CHASSIS RULES WILL BE THE SAME AS THE
BASIC UMP A-MOD RULES!
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Kevin your rules are not going to help the class. They may help you car count for a while. Ump finally came out with a set of rules so a racer can go from track to track without changing his car. This is great for the class. You being a former racer should know this. Don't let a few chowder heads that haven't the slightest idea what it takes to make a class grow. They just can't stand the idea of a little change. The class is not the a mod class it's the b mod/sport mod class three link limited engine bang for your buck class. If you run with rules that stray from ump it will hurt the class it will turn out like the sportsman cars did good for a few years then nobody wants to run the class because of the many different rules. I hope you will think the ump rules over talk with sam about them and help this class out we want it here for the long haul. Thanks for your time.
 
Revin said:
These are the rules we ran in 2014, they seemed to be pretty fair and the racing was good as well!

2014 TCS B-Modified Rules
1 – Weight will be as follows:
2500lbs after race w/driver,
2550lbs after race w/driver with Bert or Brinn Transmission
2400lbs after race w/driver with 602 GM Crate Motor
2450lbs after race w/driver with 602 GM Crate Motor with Bert or Brinn Transmission
****4-Bar cars add 100lbs (2600lbs)****

2- Gauge Legal Holley 4412 500 2-Barrel---NO AEROSALS!
Holley 80541-1 650 4-Barrel on Crate Motor ONLY!

3- Fuel will be PUMP GAS, E-85 or RACING GAS ONLY! NO Methanol, Nitrous or
Fuel Additives of any kind Allowed!

4- Tires:
Hoosier E-Mod 26.5 or 27.5 “A or H” Compound or Hoosier IMCA ONLY!
Grooving & Siping will be Allowed! NO Softening or Chemical Altering Allowed!

5- NO Quickchange Rearends

6- Engines- Cast Iron Block & Heads ONLY! No Aluminum Blocks or Heads Allowed!

7- NO Roller Camshafts or Rev-Kits will be Allowed!

8 - A 5” Rear Spoiler will be Allowed

9 - ALL OTHER BODY & CHASSIS RULES WILL BE THE SAME AS THE
BASIC UMP A-MOD RULES!
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Kevin your rules are not going to help the class. They may help you car count for a while. Ump finally came out with a set of rules so a racer can go from track to track without changing his car. This is great for the class. You being a former racer should know this. Don't let a few chowder heads that haven't the slightest idea what it takes to make a class grow. They just can't stand the idea of a little change. The class is not the a mod class it's the b mod/sport mod class three link limited engine bang for your buck class. If you run with rules that stray from ump it will hurt the class it will turn out like the sportsman cars did good for a few years then nobody wants to run the class because of the many different rules. I hope you will think the ump rules over talk with sam about them and help this class out we want it here for the long haul. Thanks for your time.
 
All I've heard over the past few years is bitch1ng that ump needs to make a solid set of rules for this class and set for that class etc etc... and now that they have finally made a set ....people are still bitch1ng. To me I think the ump rules would be a good start. I also think that allowing the A-mod suspension would be a drastic mistake that is if you want to attract new racer's....The more sophisticated the car is ...the higher the cost to build it,cost to maintain it and cost to repair it not to mention "for a new racer" the cost and time it takes learning how and what to adjust to make it handle over a simple 3 link set up. In today's world Its about Time and Money that makes people interested in trying something new and if its going to racing then it better be less and not more if you expect this class to grow... But eh what do I know
 
Everyone that wants to run b mods need to attend tri city meeting. Kevin and Tammy are aware of the rules and realize some of them aren't realistic. Kevin's a racer and will do what he can to help save the class and keep money in racers pockets.
 
1mower said:
Everyone that wants to run b mods need to attend tri city meeting. Kevin and Tammy are aware of the rules and realize some of them aren't realistic. Kevin's a racer and will do what he can to help save the class and keep money in racers pockets.
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I'm not sure what rules aren't realistic with the b mod rules that ump released?
 
blaster said:
Kevin your rules are not going to help the class. They may help you car count for a while. Ump finally came out with a set of rules so a racer can go from track to track without changing his car. This is great for the class. You being a former racer should know this. Don't let a few chowder heads that haven't the slightest idea what it takes to make a class grow. They just can't stand the idea of a little change. The class is not the a mod class it's the b mod/sport mod class three link limited engine bang for your buck class. If you run with rules that stray from ump it will hurt the class it will turn out like the sportsman cars did good for a few years then nobody wants to run the class because of the many different rules. I hope you will think the ump rules over talk with sam about them and help this class out we want it here for the long haul. Thanks for your time.
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yeah UMP made some rules finally mandating crates for all, no thanks. UMP is not helping anyone out but Hoosier and UMP, hope people can wake up and see that change is needed. Sam and crew do not have the leadership needed to guide this deal. Hell they cannot even get the tire rule right, allowing three and letting promoters decide WTH is that ? QC by itself wont hurt B mods and it wont hurt IMCA. Hope others will also push back on UMP and let them know this show up late to the party with a set of rules that only lines there pockets and does not consider all is not way to do business.
 
First and foremost engine rule... At the end of the day guys just want to race and not rebuild there programs.
 
Kevin's only interest is getting his rules so he can get cars from central Missouri and farmington. His rules are basically an A-Mod with a 2 barrell carb. He's looking out for his near term future instead of creating an economical budget friendly B-Mod / SportMod class.

A few of UMP rules need a little tweaking, but overall they are pretty good. As far as the crate motor deal, it is 3 years before it is mandatory, who knows what will change in that timeframe. There are several B-Mods at granite that could buy 3 crate motors for what they have in their current B-Mod motor.
 
thefarmer said:
Kevin's only interest is getting his rules so he can get cars from central Missouri and farmington. His rules are basically an A-Mod with a 2 barrell carb. He's looking out for his near term future instead of creating an economical budget friendly B-Mod / SportMod class.

A few of UMP rules need a little tweaking, but overall they are pretty good. As far as the crate motor deal, it is 3 years before it is mandatory, who knows what will change in that timeframe. There are several B-Mods at granite that could buy 3 crate motors for what they have in their current B-Mod motor.
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The rules I read said mandatory in 2016, ONE YEAR AWAY! I know a few that are building cars now that are PISSED. Two of them are building FORDS.
 
the people we really need to hear from are the folks that run the local tracks--keven has spoken--we need input from highland and Fayette co..i would like to see both tracks have a combined meeting to talk about rules---I had a friend of mine call last night wanting to sell his cars cause he don't think they will meet specs (as will non of my fleet of b-mods) JMO--------------lenny garson
 
Lenny why would you really want to hear from the folks that run now when in the past it hasn't worked for the sportsman ? Why cater to a select few when the ability to feed a lot is now on the table with ump b-mod rules ? Why couldn't guys with the 4 bar cars change it over to a 3 link when its not hard to do ? Why cant a reasonable time limit be given for all engines to be crate ? Or just open the engine rules and choke it with a rochester 2brl or heck even a restrictor plate might work ? There is a lot of ways to do this but for it to work everyone has to stop thinking about themselves and think about whats best for racing down the road !
 
eldon said:
The rules I read said mandatory in 2016, ONE YEAR AWAY! I know a few that are building cars now that are PISSED. Two of them are building FORDS.
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The rules say plain as day for the 2015, 2016 and 2017 you can run a non crate engine

H.) As an option, for the 2015/2016/2017 season(s) , a “Steel Block/Steel Cylinder Head” engine may be used. This shall include:
 
I think the A & B mods should be the same rule package, with the exception of the engine rules and B mods should only be allowed the cheap twin tube shocks.(no take apart shocks) This would allow drivers to move up and already understand the chassis. It would also allow racers to have a market that is big to sell there old cars. The rules on bar lengths and mounting locations will take a lot of the cars out of the mix without doing some fabricating. Seeing them running like that at TRI CITY last year proves it can be won by 3 or 4 link cars, open steel or crate motor.
 
1mower said:
Or a 360 cu in option... No problem with crate motor but don't screw 80% of the field that have over 360 cu in. That's not the way to implement a motor rule.
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Only Chevrolet bowtie type engines will be permitted. A maximum of 360 cubic inches will be permitted for any steel engine.
What about FORD?
 
Actually if racer's respected Gundaker as he should be... Why not just sit back and listen to what he has to say and let him recommend what rules he would like to see ran that helps him pay his bills at the end of the night ...The man is the best of the best and I'm sure everyone will be just fine at whatever rules he ends up going with...
 
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Most 4 bar cars are over rail which leaves no good place to mount rear pan hard bar without under slung, and lower bars have to be 16" min. On 3 link by ump rules and most 4 bar cars are 13" center to center heim which leaves not much room for new holes on 3 link , some cars can't even do that, which means Amod guys can't sell there chassis to Bmod guys, some guys can cut up a car to make it work but most can't , which in our area will seriously affect car count,
 
BWRC said:
Most 4 bar cars are over rail which leaves no good place to mount rear pan hard bar without under slung, and lower bars have to be 16" min. On 3 link by ump rules and most 4 bar cars are 13" center to center heim which leaves not much room for new holes on 3 link , some cars can't even do that, which means Amod guys can't sell there chassis to Bmod guys, some guys can cut up a car to make it work but most can't , which in our area will seriously affect car count,
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I waw waiting for someone to bring that up! Thanks
 
FIREBALL said:
so do I have to spend $500 on new shocks ???? way to much to change--as I stated earlier-gradually bring rule changes into play---
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L enny don't forget you have to come up with a new 602 sealed CRATE engine! The rules state it is the only engine allowed!!! I know a few Ford guys aren't going to be happy! Why on earth are they trying to make cookie cutter classes? I don't get why these promoters are allowing this! All it is doing is gonna run a few more cars and fans way. It is hard for even a street stock class to even run anything but a GM product! Where is the heart of competition?
 
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