"Crate" Models, spec motors, etc.

Brandon Paul

Free agent score guy
I've decided to separate a new thread on the whole spec late model debate from the now infamous "taking down rubber" thread.

I whole heartedly agree with Mottsinger's objection to WISSOTA-like byzantine rules regarding restrictor plates, weight breaks, etc. I do like the idea of perhaps going to a "Crate" Model fomat, like the fastrak series in the Ohio Valley. But if a track/series would go to a sealed motor, it probably should be limited to ONE serial number from ONE builder or manufacturer. Keep it simple. Yes, that would be a restraint, but I don't think anyone--short of engine builders--is really going to raise that objection if it can cut costs.

As I've said in the past, the biggest problem with IMCA is simply one of perception--everyone knows that IMCA MODS have a $350 claim rule. My fear would be that fans would have the MISCONCEPTIONthat the LMs had a claim rule, too. They wouldn't, but I'm afraid fans wouldn't take the class seriously because of a "phantom" claim-rule.

And I agree with all the posters who say the LMs should go to a tighter tire rule. I'm not sure that it would have to solely be a D-55, but maybe it could be limited to D-30 or D-55.

One more thing: Such a class would have to be marketed agressively as a legitimate Late Model class--otherwise everyone would refer to it as limited or econo late models, creating in fans minds the old UMP econo LM class of the late 80s, which had a number of cars with bodywork that more closely resembled today's sportsman class. That's why I like how TCS refers to their class as "Ironman" late models instead of simply as steel block late models.
 
Brandon Paul said:
I've decided to separate a new thread on the whole spec late model debate from the now infamous "taking down rubber" thread.

"Taking down rubber" is a good debate thread, however, to truly be an infamous thread it has to live a lot longer, and have participation from many more site members. Anyone remember "Strippers for Trophy Girls?" :) ;)
 
Hey pitdrifter, Doug tried to offer up a solution to the high cost of LM racing. What the !@#$ makes that so infamous?

hey t.nie, I wasn't around for the strippers for trophy queens thread. I'm betting that one WAS interesting...:)
 
Brandon Paul said:
Hey pitdrifter, Doug tried to offer up a solution to the high cost of LM racing. What the !@#$ makes that so infamous?

HEY BRANDO, LOOK AT T.NIE'S DESCRIPTION OF A "IMFAMOUS POST". SO IF HE'S RIGHT, THATS WHAT THE !@#$ MAKES IT SO IMFAMOUS! ;)
 
I believe the "Here's yer stinkin' SPEC motor thread" got lost during one of the server changes. May it rest in peace.
 
To much hastle to tech inspect that kind of rule. Rules are a pain in the ---, the less of them you make the better racing is, all alot of rules do is give more people more things to fight and argue about, and accuse you of breaking. Were is the money going to come from to train and hire the inspectors, a class like that would need its own set of inspectors. Any engine limits cause exessive spending in the rotating wieght/inertia/friction reduction areas. Engines are the most missunderstood, over credited/blamed thing in racing. You absolutely do not need a $30,000 engine to be competitive, especially with the slickness of tracks most of the time. Engine smoothness is a lot more important than maximum tourqe. I will admit that the $27,000 engines are really powerful and smooth, but you can make enough power with smoothness for a lot less money. I do not think crate engines will make real racey racing in latemodels, it will be follow the leader untill the tracks get real slick, and probably then too.

Ps Brandon please spell my name correctly if your going to use it in your posts.
 




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