UMP needs to go away,,,,,,for B Mods

hound-------------ya all infurin som us racers go a-cheatin?? darn-we auts ta drag them thar low lifes b-hind a pickum up trk...
 
If u look a mods are outa control thats why there adapting them to b mods so they can win just a trickling affect, moneys gone once they cant run bmods their done car counts are dying u cant even make ur fuel money back anymore I know u aint gonna make money racing slim to none but do ur figures two guys gettin in $70 bucks fuel $40 for five gallons,fuel toter $50 ,tires$130,just sayin!!
 
biker6403 said:
9 inch,3 Link or Leafs,360 cu. in.,cast iron 9:1( No FANCY Carbs) on 93 octane pump gas,no racing shocks and hard tires only! (NO QUICKCHANGES)..This can be done folks,you just gotta want to bad enough or this class will die also!..Remember it is an economy class..My .02
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That is the way it should be. Great post
 
if you want 9 to 1 that is a crate motor go get ya one needs to be flat top pistons 64cc heads easy to check get u a screwdriver to run across top of pistons there ya go easy
 
Is Dean Hoffman running a 9:1 Pump Gas motor in a A-Mod?..This is what I heard?...R and D on one in Mt. Olive,IL. Correct me if I'm wrong!
 
dukman7 said:
if you want 9 to 1 that is a crate motor go get ya one needs to be flat top pistons 64cc heads easy to check get u a screwdriver to run across top of pistons there ya go easy
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CRATE MOTORS ARE NOT THE ANSWER!...These suggestions are subject to tracks doing the PROPER TECH!....$1000 CLAIM RULE and USE IT,guys!..:)
 
Claims do not work either. Nobody uses it. Didn't the Amods have a claim for the last 10 yrs? Look where that got them.
 
yes dean is running a 9 to 1 motor with something like 13* degree head now there is some savings only to run pump gas in a b mod lol this is only sport i see people bitch nonstop that this needs fixed and that needs fixed you dont see them saying they need 4 outs in baseball or they need bigger sticks in hockey why cant everyone just be happy with what we have instead of wanting to put there little twist on it
 
as most all my fellow racers know-the 27 car is a b mod with a 4 bbl-I run 10 gal pump to 5 gal hi-test--never ran hot all year--if I make the show I get a 100bux @ hi-land 75 bu at B-town--don't have the tec guys lookin at me every night--BUT when I get a motor in the 17 car I will be back in the B mods with the 27------------that is if UMP holds off on making crate motors the rule JMO
 
dukman7 said:
yes dean is running a 9 to 1 motor with something like 13* degree head now there is some savings only to run pump gas in a b mod lol this is only sport i see people bitch nonstop that this needs fixed and that needs fixed you dont see them saying they need 4 outs in baseball or they need bigger sticks in hockey why cant everyone just be happy with what we have instead of wanting to put there little twist on it
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There would be no reason to go down to 9:1 if you wanted to run service station premium and going that low on the static compression ratio creates its own problems. It becomes very difficult to keep the EGT under control and it is also more difficult to cool the engine. Back before they quit running them some of the top engines in the Nascar Elite Series were making about 580 horsepower 9:1 compression, 355 with a 390 Holley.
 
I'm done with this thread,since someone else doesn't have any helpful suggestions!..I'm not talking about Dave McClain,either...Ever heard of going back to the future,dukweed?.....Fuel,Tires and Shocks are gonna kill any lower classes of racing!..:rolleyes:
 
I think making a crate engine mandatory would not work, but I do think they should make it an advantage. I know some guys are low budget and piece engines together or find a really good deal on an engine, but for every guy like that I could name guys with 6,000 to 10,000 in their b-mod engines, so I dont think that is a good point. The main point is you cant eliminate most of your cars. I think the crate engine should get an advantage because it WILL save you money on gas. I am running straight 93 octane $4 a gallon. A new crate engine is about $3500 so I would say it is cheaper than most of the engines out there and I have been impressed with its performance. The other reason is the ease of tech. If these tracks want to have a compression rule I would like to know why they arent checking it? Make guys pull a head off and check it the old fashioned way. Make the cars with 355's add weight or something.

As for as a quickchange, I'll start off by saying I am biased because I have a QC and 10 sets of gears and I dont own any 9" gears. If guys just want to run one track and one night, I think use a 9". If you want to bounce around, you would need almost need a separate gear for highland, brownstown and for tri city. If you want to go to Macon or if Belleville would add b-mods that would be a 4th set of gears and if you dont have a set they are about $250 up to $600 new. That could be $1000 to $2400 for 4 sets of 9" gears. I think the variety of gear sets is not a good negative, if you can run a 6.83 or 7.00 and you think I have an advantage being able to run a 6.90 I think you are nuts. A QC just spoils you, it is so much easier. Brownstown rained out a few weeks ago and the only reason I didnt go to Tri City was I didnt want to change gears and then change them again for Highland. I am lazy I guess. JMO
 
One problem with a crate engine is that since it is supposed to be sealed and remain that way it makes servicing/repair difficult for the racer. What if something happens to the radiator and the engine gets over heated and it scuffs a piston/cylinder? This would be nothing terribly hard to fix except for now the racer has a sealed engine.

The racer has to either send the engine out to be rebuilt, buy another new engine or fix it himself and reseal it using some seals bought off of the internet for a high price. Any way you look at it that's an expensive engine.

I'd say a smart set of engine rules like the ones for the Allied Sportsman class would be good for most people. This would help to costs in check as long as the tech inspection is comprehensive enough and it would allow racers to use commonly available parts to put together a cost effective engine.
 
There has to be a way to come up some good rules that can be tech but, if tracks skip on the tech you can forget it because it won't work. Rules and enforcement is the only way. No high dollar carbs, no high dollar shocks, no high dollar motors but yet still have good competitive races yes it can happen.
 
Please explain how you would explain in a rule book "no high dollar carbs, no high dollar shocks, no high dollat motors"
 
i dont think crate motor is answer either but it is an option 7 or 8 guys are doing more power to them i choose to run an open motor they missed the boat when they didnt go flat top pistons they also made a rule they cant police with compression rule. shock rule says track can claim shocks for $100. as racers we are going to try and push the limits way it has always been look at our rules fairly forgiving look at usra not one car even crate car could pass tech think usra went way overboard on some rules. i enjoy running in this class and it is a shame we are trying to change something that has a growing car count every week.
 
Not really trying to change the rules Just getting ump to make a national set of rules and stick to them If they dont the class which i love them too will do just what the sportsman class is doing and now the crates Die off Everything new always goes good till people get tired of being outrun or realize they dont get any bang for their buck Plus to mention the vast differences from track to track this class has Be like run running a sportsman against a full tube wanna late model and that is where that class is nation wide Too riegn in the costs be smart to do some tweeks but i guess if you already got the "high dollar stuff" then makes changing the rules seem harsh I dont mind a crate just dont make it mandatory No weight breaks Crates snd a good 9 to 1 motor are about the same horsepower wise so i dont see why there should be a 4 bbl advantage there if you demand weight penalties for guys with quick changes youll have people not too happy there but it is an advantage As ive said before i dont get why in an economy class they allow 4 links So many 3 link cars and leafs sitting around that the argument people cannot get a chassis is pointless Its a good discussion but if you let it run its current route ill gaurantee you in next 3 or 4 years class will run its path as just like the sportsmans they will get tired of ump not setting more of a national set of rules versus local ones What you have now and is always with any class are guys who have the more updated equipment dictating where their track rules are going i beleive As ive also said before 4 links cars see faster They drive better Put them on 3 links or leafs with a 9 to 1 rule and all on a 2 bbl and make them earn it not out dollar them
 
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