WHAT HAPPENED......

What happened?

Here's what happened. We got into two wars since 199...whatever. That put the nation trillions of dollars in unfunded debt. Somebody has to pay. That's the working class, the same people who used to sit in the stands and race cars at dirt tracks.

Tax cuts for the rich. Think the bills those tax revenues paid went away? Oh, there have been cuts in services, no doubt. Just look at how badly public schools struggle to keep the doors open and all the local referendums for more tax dollars. But still, across the board the burden of paying for stuff at the local level now falls squarely on the local community with little outside funding from federal tax money. Someone has to pay. That's the working class, the same people who used to sit in the stands and race cars at dirt tracks.

The transfer of good paying manufacturing jobs overseas to cut costs and increase profits. Those jobs that used to pay decent wages for working class folks are gone now, along with all the ancillary jobs in support businesses, also jobs that paid decent with some overtime money each week to fund a race car and a trip to the track. That directly affects working class folks, the same people who used to sit in the stands and race cars at dirt tracks.

The 2008 housing bubble/Wall Street catastrophe. Sure, Goldman Sachs et al made a killing and laughed all the way to the bank. Meanwhile, millions of working class folks lost their homes and now find it harder to get credit, the rest of us get to each make our own individual contribution to the billionaire boys club failures fund, and we will be doing so for some time to come. Someone has to pay. It sure ain't gonna be the Donald Trump's of the world, they put their money in a movement called Taxed Enough Already (millions of their dollars supporting that astro turf fake grassroots "movement" that they conned people into supporting as if it was the middle class folk's taxes that mattered) and threw a wrench into the wheels of our government called the Freedom Caucus that ensures the people paying are the same folks who used to sit in the stands and race cars.

Health care costs. You can go either way on that one, either the Obamacare law helped people finally get insurance (which costs money) or it raised rates on a lot of people who already had insurance (which costs money). I don't care which way you want to look at it, the cost of Health Care Services and Medication has skyrocketed in America since 2000. It was going up before Obamacare (My wife's insurance contribution before we got married was $400 a month in premiums and a $5000.00 deductible before the insurance paid a dime. Do the math, she was paying $10000.00 cash each year for health care guaranteed. That's Ten Thousand. That's 2 really nice vacations and a new Street Stock engine every year.) Anyway. Someone has to pay. That's the people who used to sit in the stands and race cars.

So, in answer to what happened, well. Nothing really happened that the tracks have any control over. Racing is considered, in the grand scheme of economics, a "luxury" business. It ain't food, clothing or shelter. It's purely run on the working class' surplus cash. And after the last 30 years of trickle up, all for one and all for the wealthy politics in this country, we now see just how broke the people at the top will let the people in the middle be and still do nothing but gripe about raising the minimum wage as a job killer, demand more tax cuts for themselves, send jobs overseas to boost corporate profits and character assassinate any politician that dares to challenge them.

You can come up with all the budget ideas in the world to get people to the track, but "it ain't a bargain if you can't afford it." May as well advertise Lamborghini's at 50% off to anyone with a pit pass from the last night's racing. It's nice gesture, but no one who qualifies can afford one.

To fix racing, fix all these there problems first. Because no one in the racing business can, by themselves, change the economy the business exists in. Everything on your list of things that are gone/left due to lack of participation/interest, not because the tracks just decided they didn't want to bother with it any more. Promoters can't afford to drop money on promotion when the people they are selling to can't afford it anyway. And when the Jr Fan club numbers are single digits, low single digits each month, at some point the people doing it just can't justify the time any more.

The problems at the track are just a reflection of everything else that has happened in our country. And I am pretty sure the Golden Boys at Goldman Sachs and their ilk could care less if your local dirt track shuts or not. It's up to you to care enough to do something about it.
 
Last edited:
so the question begs to be asked, where have you been since you were 16 ?..i think you answered your own question in the first paragraph...people change and life has a way of dictating what we have have time & money for ?..personally i'm having a hard time understanding how you "love racing" but can't get to the racetrack for 4-5 hours out of every other week or so at least to watch and support the local racing scene?? ..I DO....my son went since he was 4 or so and played out behind the concession stand..when he was younger than that, his mother or another family member watched him while i went..i am a grown man that has to ability to go racing on Friday or Saturday night after a long work week and many responsibilities have been met..because i love racing and appreciate every single driver that puts in the work every week to come race for me (us).., that's what i do...we've all been here all along...so please come back more often than a "couple nights a year"..we need you....as far as you being a PR expert on all this and claiming to understand exactly what it takes to successfully run a racetrack...doubtful at best
 
Last edited:
What happened?

Here's what happened. We got into two wars since 199...whatever. That put the nation trillions of dollars in unfunded debt. Somebody has to pay. That's the working class, the same people who used to sit in the stands and race cars at dirt tracks.

Tax cuts for the rich. Think the bills those tax revenues paid went away? Oh, there have been cuts in services, no doubt. Just look at how badly public schools struggle to keep the doors open and all the local referendums for more tax dollars. But still, across the board the burden of paying for stuff at the local level now falls squarely on the local community with little outside funding from federal tax money. Someone has to pay. That's the working class, the same people who used to sit in the stands and race cars at dirt tracks.

The transfer of good paying manufacturing jobs overseas to cut costs and increase profits. Those jobs that used to pay decent wages for working class folks are gone now, along with all the ancillary jobs in support businesses, also jobs that paid decent with some overtime money each week to fund a race car and a trip to the track. That directly affects working class folks, the same people who used to sit in the stands and race cars at dirt tracks.

The 2008 housing bubble/Wall Street catastrophe. Sure, Goldman Sachs et al made a killing and laughed all the way to the bank. Meanwhile, millions of working class folks lost their homes and now find it harder to get credit, the rest of us get to each make our own individual contribution to the billionaire boys club failures fund, and we will be doing so for some time to come. Someone has to pay. It sure ain't gonna be the Donald Trump's of the world, they put their money in a movement called Taxed Enough Already (millions of their dollars supporting that astro turf fake grassroots "movement" that they conned people into supporting as if it was the middle class folk's taxes that mattered) and threw a wrench into the wheels of our government called the Freedom Caucus that ensures the people paying are the same folks who used to sit in the stands and race cars.

Health care costs. You can go either way on that one, either the Obamacare law helped people finally get insurance (which costs money) or it raised rates on a lot of people who already had insurance (which costs money). I don't care which way you want to look at it, the cost of Health Care Services and Medication has skyrocketed in America since 2000. It was going up before Obamacare (My wife's insurance contribution before we got married was $400 a month in premiums and a $5000.00 deductible before the insurance paid a dime. Do the math, she was paying $10000.00 cash each year for health care guaranteed. That's Ten Thousand. That's 2 really nice vacations and a new Street Stock engine every year.) Anyway. Someone has to pay. That's the people who used to sit in the stands and race cars.

So, in answer to what happened, well. Nothing really happened that the tracks have any control over. Racing is considered, in the grand scheme of economics, a "luxury" business. It ain't food, clothing or shelter. It's purely run on the working class' surplus cash. And after the last 30 years of trickle up, all for one and all for the wealthy politics in this country, we now see just how broke the people at the top will let the people in the middle be and still do nothing but gripe about raising the minimum wage as a job killer, demand more tax cuts for themselves, send jobs overseas to boost corporate profits and character assassinate any politician that dares to challenge them.

You can come up with all the budget ideas in the world to get people to the track, but "it ain't a bargain if you can't afford it." May as well advertise Lamborghini's at 50% off to anyone with a pit pass from the last night's racing. It's nice gesture, but no one who qualifies can afford one.

To fix racing, fix all these there problems first. Because no one in the racing business can, by themselves, change the economy the business exists in. Everything on your list of things that are gone/left due to lack of participation/interest, not because the tracks just decided they didn't want to bother with it any more. Promoters can't afford to drop money on promotion when the people they are selling to can't afford it anyway. And when the Jr Fan club numbers are single digits, low single digits each month, at some point the people doing it just can't justify the time any more.

The problems at the track are just a reflection of everything else that has happened in our country. And I am pretty sure the Golden Boys at Goldman Sachs and their ilk could care less if your local dirt track shuts or not. It's up to you to care enough to do something about it.[/QUOT
.......another clueless victim that falls for the "you know who" political bunch that blames all the problems of ours on the "rich" while they strip you of more & more of your income every year through taxes and bureacratic oversight....thinking that you're entitled to other peoples money for some reason ?...you can't see that the Governments overreach of taxes and power on us all is our problem ?...one example:..where is the trillions of $$ that the casinos have generated in taxes in the last 20-30 years ?...but oh the schools and poor & oppressed have no money !...we're hopeless
 
Why don't us fans invite a neighbor every week? Why don't we invite our kids friends? Heck most tracks I know have 12 and under free and discounts to high school students. Invite a coworker Invite a friends friends cause ultimately the lack of people in the stands lies on us the fans as well. I do agree with a lot of above comments as well. Get the show started on time, keep it moving, and get it over with at a descent hour. if the casual fan is out at a descent time they will be back.
 
.......another clueless victim that falls for the "you know who" political bunch that blames all the problems of ours on the "rich" while they strip you of more & more of your income every year through taxes and bureacratic oversight....thinking that you're entitled to other peoples money for some reason ?...you can't see that the Governments overreach of taxes and power on us all is our problem ?...one example:..where is the trillions of $$ that the casinos have generated in taxes in the last 20-30 years ?...but oh the schools and poor & oppressed have no money !...we're hopeless

Doesn't matter which side you come down on, the bills are still there and if we want schools, roads, bridges, clean streets, police forces, prisons, teachers, hospitals, etc someone has to pay for it.

The way things are now, a certain element in our society has fixed things up so they don't pay much at all compared to their earnings for it, and the majority pay a pretty big chunk of their incomes for it. The majority even get to pay for the shenanigans and failures of the wealthiest in their businesses.

If you look around the world, America, which once prided itself as the land of opportunity and equality for all, is going the same way all other formerly great nations have gone. We are just becoming another divided nation of have/have not.
 
Trump sponsored many different race cars to include a sprint car at Knoxville last year I believe.

Atleast he is putting money into racing
 
Politics is everywhere and its sickening. Please ppl I hold most of you to a higher standard than most. Dont get caught up in political bs.

What happened is promoting hit a lull due to great car and fan counts. When promotion stalled, it set off a chain reaction we now see today.

This being Memorial Day weekend, I must ask a question. How many parades will occur this weekend? How many race cars will be in these parades? I used to see several cars in parades at Arnold Park. What about car shows? Literally there are dozens of opportunities to get your car out into the general public and around ppl that dont normally come racing. We put Stu Springers car at the Kimmswick Strawberry Festival a couple years ago behind the Imperial Bowl tent. No less than 150 ppl stopped by, chatted, ask questions, and got pics with the car. Most of them either hadnt ever been to a race track, or not in recent memory. Were on the doorstep of summer, the season to do stuff OUTSIDE! Drivers and teams need to get with their sponsors and see if those businesses do any special events or sponsor stuff and offer their race car as a display. Even the worst looking race car at a festival will stand out like a sore thumb and grab ALOT of attention. The sponsors are already paying us, why not give them a little more for their investment. I dont know of any business owner who wouldnt like an additional kick back from their investment (thats what a sponsorship is designed to be). Not only will this benefit the racing community AND sponsors, but it will potentially attract MORE NEW SPONSORS!!! Which means more money for everyone, with next to no effort.

Race track need to do their share too. I live and work in Jefferson County, and there is ZERO advertising for I55 in the north region of the county. Springfield Raceway does fan races a couple times a year, pitting ppls personal cars against one another in single elimination competition. One time at Lebanon they brought out every race car onto the track and opened up the gates for 1 hour and let the fans interact with the cars and drivers. The issue of length of show kinda prevents that very same concept, but why not do it for one class once a month for intermission? As someone stated before, what happened to the two seat cars that used to give ppl rides? People want the biggest bang for their buck and would probably be willing to pay say 30 bucks to put their name in a season long raffle for a chance to ride in a sprint car. Might even get a few new drivers from that.

Visibility is key, and it seems thats the biggest lacking factor in my opinion. Tracks and cars both
 
I would say the growth of select sports has an impact on kids and families spending Friday and sat nights at the race track... It like anything else and costs an arm and a leg, a lot of travel on the weekends. Not to mention practice three days a week and games the other two... And the travels involved with that.... And when you do get a break from it you don't wanna do anything but relax.
 
Last edited:
So kids weren't playing on traveling teams 15 years ago? And it wasn't expensive then too?

Everything costs to participate in. It's never been any different. But I can sit here and think right off the top of my head of at least 10-15 people who USED to be able to afford to race but can't now. All due to the rising cost of everything, their own stagnant or dropping wages or loss of overtime or loss of work altogether.

I can only imagine how many people used to go sit in the stands every week who can't afford it any more and now only go once a month or just for the big specials. I would bet it's ten times that many.

This isn't rocket science. You can't go if you aint got the dough. It's that simple.
 
What an emotional post for everyone. As a former spectator going back to when my dad would take me out to DeSoto Speedway to watch Donnie Klein and the Barry boys dominate, through me taking my sons to Pevely over the years to WoO events and regular Saturday nights, to them going to Pevely on their own dollar as young adults, to now being owners and drivers of a car, the low turnout is for sure a major concern for the future of local dirt track racing.

Our driver (my oldest son) works for one of the largest and most successful marketing firms in St Louis and contends adamantly that zero advertising is a huge contributor to the problem, and I tend to agree. In no era but the current era do I remember not hearing the race tracks advertise on the radio a 10 second airing of the weekends races. Pevely use to do it for the drag strip back in the 70's. I can attest, on more than a few occasions, I loaded my family and went to the track as the result of hearing a radio commercial, on the day of the event, when we didn't have anything else planned, but wasn't thinking about going to the track because "out if sight, out of mind". Heard the commercial...bam! We're going to the races tonight boys!

It's also hard for me to accept that the stands are empty because the fan base has dwindled due to lack of funds and lack of Budweiser. You can find a waiting line in the lobby of any restaurant on Friday or Saturday night where young families are dropping $50+ on a couple of pizzas and some soda only to go home afterward and wait on the old digestive system to put that 50 down the drain. Why they getting pizza? Cuz everybody making pizza is putting it in your face in the form of advertising dollars well spent so your kids know exactly where to get that pizza, and they get it, expensive or not.

The diehards are going to go racing as fans or participants despite excess funds or bud on tap. The empty seats in the stands are for the folks that have to be reached so they buy racing tickets, not pizzas.

So this rant expresses an opinion on part of the problem, but not the issue of long nights. We unfortunately picked the sportsman class to compete in when we decided to go from spectator to participant, and as the step-child class at Pevely, I must admit it's pretty deflating to run last every week to an emptying facility. Can't say that I blame them. Church going folk gotta get up early and get them little ones going. Hard to do on 6 or 7 hours sleep.
 
So kids weren't playing on traveling teams 15 years ago? And it wasn't expensive then too?

Everything costs to participate in. It's never been any different. But I can sit here and think right off the top of my head of at least 10-15 people who USED to be able to afford to race but can't now. All due to the rising cost of everything, their own stagnant or dropping wages or loss of overtime or loss of work altogether.

I can only imagine how many people used to go sit in the stands every week who can't afford it any more and now only go once a month or just for the big specials. I would bet it's ten times that many.

This isn't rocket science. You can't go if you aint got the dough. It's that simple.

Right now, because of possible layoffs at work, I can only afford to go to specials.
 
Doesn't matter which side you come down on, the bills are still there and if we want schools, roads, bridges, clean streets, police forces, prisons, teachers, hospitals, etc someone has to pay for it.

The way things are now, a certain element in our society has fixed things up so they don't pay much at all compared to their earnings for it, and the majority pay a pretty big chunk of their incomes for it. The majority even get to pay for the shenanigans and failures of the wealthiest in their businesses.

If you look around the world, America, which once prided itself as the land of opportunity and equality for all, is going the same way all other formerly great nations have gone. We are just becoming another divided nation of have/have not.
...and the other certain element pays nothing at all !...you've fallen fall the rheteric of "us against them"..it's bogus..it's only to get your vote, in hopes that they'll care about you and help you ..they don't & they won't ... i'm not a them(rich)..i'm one of us(middle class)...that political argument of blaming people that earn more than me because somehow they've srewed me or someone to get there is bs...i have what i have because i've put in what i'm willing to put in, period...others have been willing to devote more time & effort into schools and career to earn more than me..i'm fine with that..i'm comfortable , don't need all that...folks like you never wanna talk about all the blood sucking welfare losers that give nothing..perpetuate nothing..they are out there by the millions and growing everyday ..no one starves in this country despite the lies.....anyway enough with the political crap..good luck to ya
 
I remember back when i55 switched to Coors products. Some on this very board thought the notion of people not coming because of the beer choices was silly. Now i dont think its the only reason for fan count being down. But i for damn sure think its one of the contributing factors. All other tracks sell all the beers. Why cant i55?.
 
Im also one who thinks too many "Special Shows" can contribute to attendance woes for regular shows. The average family has only so much to allocate to entertainment. Big shows cost more so they may skip a regular show or two and go to just the special. Jmo
 
There aren't very many at Pevely now though drifter. Tri-city has a bunch that everyone wants to goto though.
 
T.nie, is right if we think about when things started to go down hill it was after 2007 I remember before that tracks would have 30 plus mods, 30 lates, 25 to 30 Street stocks, 40 4 cylinders and now 15 to 18 mods same for lates if the track even has lates anymore, 10 street stocks, 10 4 cylinders, stands were at 3/4 pack and now barely 1/2 so, as the economy went down hil so did racing. It's not the only problem but, it is a big part of it.
 
...and the other certain element pays nothing at all !...you've fallen fall the rheteric of "us against them"..it's bogus..it's only to get your vote, in hopes that they'll care about you and help you ..they don't & they won't ... i'm not a them(rich)..i'm one of us(middle class)...that political argument of blaming people that earn more than me because somehow they've srewed me or someone to get there is bs...i have what i have because i've put in what i'm willing to put in, period...others have been willing to devote more time & effort into schools and career to earn more than me..i'm fine with that..i'm comfortable , don't need all that...folks like you never wanna talk about all the blood sucking welfare losers that give nothing..perpetuate nothing..they are out there by the millions and growing everyday ..no one starves in this country despite the lies.....anyway enough with the political crap..good luck to ya

The fact that the wealthiest folks in America, the top 1%ers have increased their wealth many times over while the middle class has tread water for the last 15 years or more isn't "rhetoric," it is a verifiable fact. Now compare that to people in poverty, who haven't seen an increase in their "wealth" at all in that same period of time and tell me the poor folks are taking all the money. There just isn't any way to justify that statement. Poor folks are just a fact of life, as Christ said, "the poor are with us always."

I just don't see the "blood sucking welfare people" as being the culprit when I look to see where my paycheck is going. I see my health premiums have increased, the cost of groceries has gone up, property taxes have increased, gas prices really went crazy for awhile, the cost of vacation has gone up, etc. However, the cost of people on food stamps, SSI, SSDI, etc has stayed the same as a percentage of the overall economy. I see no impact to my take home pay due to an increase in welfare spending or an increase in the number of people on welfare. In fact, the number of people on unemployment has dropped significantly over the years.

But my point wasn't to debate poverty, welfare, or any of that. One thing I don know for sure is back when tracks were doing better it wasn't because they took food stamps and gave free entry to the homeless.

My point is purely that these days WORKING people don't make enough money to afford the luxury of going to the races/racing any more, as Moonflow stated, due to job insecurity some activities have to be curtailed in favor of paying the bills. I really hate to hear that, he is about as diehard a race fan as anyone I have known on these boards for the last 15 years.

Forget people without jobs on food stamps who have never tried to make their own way, I am talking about folks who have jobs and due to outsourcing of work, cuts in overtime, increased health care costs and lack of wage growth now don't have the surplus cash for racing or going to the races any more.

Talk to any promoter and ask them if they would like to see the American working middle class get a pay raise. All of them would say yes, please. They know who their crowd is every week, and its not millionaires and billionaires, and its not poverty stricken people. It's working class folks who used to have surplus cash and now they don't.

Like I said in a previous post, next time someone starts mocking the idea of a $15 an hour minimum wage, remember that would probably go a long way toward supporting your local dirt track. I am pretty sure the people sitting in the stands, or who used to race, never made $500,000 a year.
 
Politics is everywhere and its sickening. Please ppl I hold most of you to a higher standard than most. Dont get caught up in political bs.

What happened is promoting hit a lull due to great car and fan counts. When promotion stalled, it set off a chain reaction we now see today.

This being Memorial Day weekend, I must ask a question. How many parades will occur this weekend? How many race cars will be in these parades? I used to see several cars in parades at Arnold Park. What about car shows? Literally there are dozens of opportunities to get your car out into the general public and around ppl that dont normally come racing. We put Stu Springers car at the Kimmswick Strawberry Festival a couple years ago behind the Imperial Bowl tent. No less than 150 ppl stopped by, chatted, ask questions, and got pics with the car. Most of them either hadnt ever been to a race track, or not in recent memory. Were on the doorstep of summer, the season to do stuff OUTSIDE! Drivers and teams need to get with their sponsors and see if those businesses do any special events or sponsor stuff and offer their race car as a display. Even the worst looking race car at a festival will stand out like a sore thumb and grab ALOT of attention. The sponsors are already paying us, why not give them a little more for their investment. I dont know of any business owner who wouldnt like an additional kick back from their investment (thats what a sponsorship is designed to be). Not only will this benefit the racing community AND sponsors, but it will potentially attract MORE NEW SPONSORS!!! Which means more money for everyone, with next to no effort.

Race track need to do their share too. I live and work in Jefferson County, and there is ZERO advertising for I55 in the north region of the county. Springfield Raceway does fan races a couple times a year, pitting ppls personal cars against one another in single elimination competition. One time at Lebanon they brought out every race car onto the track and opened up the gates for 1 hour and let the fans interact with the cars and drivers. The issue of length of show kinda prevents that very same concept, but why not do it for one class once a month for intermission? As someone stated before, what happened to the two seat cars that used to give ppl rides? People want the biggest bang for their buck and would probably be willing to pay say 30 bucks to put their name in a season long raffle for a chance to ride in a sprint car. Might even get a few new drivers from that.

Visibility is key, and it seems thats the biggest lacking factor in my opinion. Tracks and cars both

I think there is a lot of truth in this. There was a study I read back in the early 90's looking at advertising through a recession, and it showed that businesses that continued to advertise and promote themselves aggressively in a recession were able to survive the recession better and get back to profitability faster after the recession than businesses who cut advertising to save money during the downturn.

It also showed that something like 2/3 businesses that cut advertising expenses during a recession never survived the recession anyway. Survival of the fattest at its best.
 
The economy argument isn't that strong JMO look at other motorsport events. Supercross shows- packed ,Monster Truck shows - packed What's the difference? Great promotion, entertains the crowd, not the same old thing year after year. Look at the price of concessions at these deals, outrageous, but they still pack them in.
 




Back
Top