upsidedown
mINNIE
Can ministocks run the round up with there 350 & 500 cfm carbs on street tires. I know the 57 of rob umfleet has severial times this year. If we can i still think we will beat the fuelinjected motors.
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don hoener
don hoener
put on the street tires, put on stock shocks and pull the weight jack bolts & i'll think about it!
Wheel21
Modified Racer
I have a question. Not to stir anything up but just curious. If UMP is opening the Bmod rules up to cover just about every UMP Bmod rule for all the UMP paying Bmods to run the round up then why wouldn't they do the same for the UMP 4cyl. They are a paying UMP member. I'm not so sure who would beat who cause some of those Pro 4's are fast and probably are no more stock that a ministock on street tires. The ministocks are really the only UMP group left out of the round up. And this is a UMP event not a I-55 event correct? If that's the case then UMP rule would trump the track rule if you ask me. I just hate to see this group of UMP 4cyl left out to watch everyone else have a chance to run the round up.
upsidedown
mINNIE
Carbonrator
Member
The only UMP 4cyl rules I've found are( http://www.umpracing.com/rules.aspx?div=9b7dd4a0-a488-41c2-8c85-44c301448ad0 ) I'd like to see these rules enforced next year and have UMP do alittle spot checking like they do with the crate late models,JMO,carbonrator
ump
they changed the rules for the b-mods,why not the 4 cylinders also???it is all about the $$$, i ran the round up last year,but my LIMITED mod will not run with A mods on a 2 barrel,this year.we thought ump would be a good thing for the limited mods and ministocks,but it sure going down hill fast-ump member 13001
they changed the rules for the b-mods,why not the 4 cylinders also???it is all about the $$$, i ran the round up last year,but my LIMITED mod will not run with A mods on a 2 barrel,this year.we thought ump would be a good thing for the limited mods and ministocks,but it sure going down hill fast-ump member 13001
Couldn't have said it better bill. We are kind of wondering what the point of paying our membership fee is if we can't even run the round-up. And like you said, them pro-4's are not the least bit stock so i doubt that ministocks would have a whole lot for them. Maybe a little but still...
onemanpitcrew2
go fast turn left
I know some guys that run i-55 and all they got done to there cars is the front ends welded and that is it and they are fast cars down there. So i say come on down with no wieght jack or hoosiers and put a stock carb. on the mini stock. Cause a 350 or 500 carb is no where close to being stock
Shaw18 Racing
St. Jacob Glass
The mini stock drivers need to get over yourselves? I don't believe anyone said you couldn't race at the round-up. If you don't want to make the changes so you can race then you are the ones choosing not to be able to race. As for the pro-4s being stock, I lead 13 laps at the sportsman Nationals with a 212K original mile motor!
Wheel21
Modified Racer
Hey guys I don't think the ministocks are stuck on themselves. This is just a discussion right? Don't take things so personal. Here's my point...Maybe a little lengthy to get it across.
UMP gives the tracks a little lead way on their track rules for the lower classes such as Bmods and 4cyl cars. Now I say on a weekly basis you run your track rules. And I'd even say the same thing for the round up except they are saying one thing with one class and another thing with a different class.
Now take yourself out of the equation and look at this and tell me what you think. We have two classes I'm DISCUSSING. We'll call it this way.
UMP 4cyl - the locals would be the Pro4's of I-55 and Tri-City and the out of towners the ministocks of MCS and Doe Run.
Then you also have the UMP Bmods - the locals closest to I-55 would be the Bmods of Doe Run and MCS and the out of towners of where ever they run those UMP A-'s or B+'s that run berts/brinns and QC.
The local Bmod guys from MCS and DRR are being told basically quit crying and for the round up we are going to allow ALL UMP Bmods run the round up regardless of any one tracks rule so the out of towners can run. To me sounds understandable for an end of year special and not your weekly racing program. I guarantee some of our Bmods will still beat a bert/brinn QC bmod and some won't.
Then you have the out of towner UMP 4cyl being told change all your rules to fit in to the local UMP 4cyl. I agree you should all run on the same tires. Are you telling my that a shock and weight jack is more of an advantage than a bert and QC to a bmod? And I'm betting the front running Pro 4's are still going to run up front against a shock and weight jack just like a front running ministock on street tires is probably going to run up front with you. I read on the Pro 4 forum that a rear wheel drive will struggle to run with the fast front wheel drive pro 4s. What an ideal event to find out. ROUND them all UP together and have one big FUN race at the end of the year.
Just look at from MCS and DRR Bmod/4cyl drivers perspective.
One class is told come 1 come all and the other is told change and conform 100% or stay home. To me it sounds like both classes from these tracks are getting the short end of the stick. I dont care either way. My point is how are you going to do this for one class and not the other. This whole event to me seems like an end of year PARTY AT PEVLEY to ROUND UP all our UMP drivers and put on a good show and have fun one last time before we put them away for the winter.
I don't even know why i'm discussing this. I have neither. You boys need to speak up a little louder I guess.
Just keep it friendly and not so personal....
UMP gives the tracks a little lead way on their track rules for the lower classes such as Bmods and 4cyl cars. Now I say on a weekly basis you run your track rules. And I'd even say the same thing for the round up except they are saying one thing with one class and another thing with a different class.
Now take yourself out of the equation and look at this and tell me what you think. We have two classes I'm DISCUSSING. We'll call it this way.
UMP 4cyl - the locals would be the Pro4's of I-55 and Tri-City and the out of towners the ministocks of MCS and Doe Run.
Then you also have the UMP Bmods - the locals closest to I-55 would be the Bmods of Doe Run and MCS and the out of towners of where ever they run those UMP A-'s or B+'s that run berts/brinns and QC.
The local Bmod guys from MCS and DRR are being told basically quit crying and for the round up we are going to allow ALL UMP Bmods run the round up regardless of any one tracks rule so the out of towners can run. To me sounds understandable for an end of year special and not your weekly racing program. I guarantee some of our Bmods will still beat a bert/brinn QC bmod and some won't.
Then you have the out of towner UMP 4cyl being told change all your rules to fit in to the local UMP 4cyl. I agree you should all run on the same tires. Are you telling my that a shock and weight jack is more of an advantage than a bert and QC to a bmod? And I'm betting the front running Pro 4's are still going to run up front against a shock and weight jack just like a front running ministock on street tires is probably going to run up front with you. I read on the Pro 4 forum that a rear wheel drive will struggle to run with the fast front wheel drive pro 4s. What an ideal event to find out. ROUND them all UP together and have one big FUN race at the end of the year.
Just look at from MCS and DRR Bmod/4cyl drivers perspective.
One class is told come 1 come all and the other is told change and conform 100% or stay home. To me it sounds like both classes from these tracks are getting the short end of the stick. I dont care either way. My point is how are you going to do this for one class and not the other. This whole event to me seems like an end of year PARTY AT PEVLEY to ROUND UP all our UMP drivers and put on a good show and have fun one last time before we put them away for the winter.
I don't even know why i'm discussing this. I have neither. You boys need to speak up a little louder I guess.
Just keep it friendly and not so personal....
Wheel21
Modified Racer
As for the pro-4s being stock, I lead 13 laps at the sportsman Nationals with a 212K original mile motor!
I never questioned your car or put a blanket statement over all pro4s. If you did that then more power to you. But like in any class you have guys that put more money in their cars than makes sense and then you have guys on shoe string budgets. I guarantee you have pro 4's out there with as much money in them as some of the ministock just like you have some ministocks that are lucky to have $1000 in them like some of the pro 4s.
I just read over the post and that statement may have been meant for Race#10. If so he'll have to answer to that one.
Junebugs #1 Fan
JuneBugs #1 Fan
Well Said Bill....... It's a Crock of Bull..... B-Mods can change to let A mods run with them but Minis cant run unless they change to Pro 4 rules.... Why is that??????
Running Berts or Brinns and Quick change rearends... With less Rotating wait, doesnt make a Differance....(Whatever)... But they think weightjacks, stock shocks and tires will make a difference.... This ump stuff is toooooooooo Funny..........
crash9
Well-Known Member
UMP really shouldn't have sanctioned you guys in the first place. The only rule really in the beginning was street tires only and you guys have never had that. But that is UMPs fault as they don't know what rules are. You guys were willing to pay the membership, and UMP isn't gonna deny your money.
I do have a problem here though. The same people that are angered over UMP opening up rules for another class, are now angered because UMP won't open up rules for another.
BTW, I do agree with you though on the B-mods, they shouldn't be opened up so much that the only difference is a 2 barrel.
I do have a problem here though. The same people that are angered over UMP opening up rules for another class, are now angered because UMP won't open up rules for another.
BTW, I do agree with you though on the B-mods, they shouldn't be opened up so much that the only difference is a 2 barrel.
mudslinger
Mudslinger
I think they need to teck all pro 4's. Get a rule book and stand by it. No locked front-end no aftermarket computers. The class is supose to be a cheap way to go race. When you spend 4 and 5 thousand to put a pro 4 together that aint a very cheap way to go race. They also need to change the rule. If someone claims your car you should not be able to bring that car back. If you build the car right (stock) then you will not have that much in it. We had a center part of a cagefrom a pure street ($50) we bought a car ($200) went and bought a fuel pump,coil pack,and a stock computer from Pick-n-Pull ($53) Bought 8 cans of spray paint ($10) Went to the race track to have fun which is what you are suppose to do in this class.
crash9
Well-Known Member
The temporary licence is gonna be $20. If you are a UMP member this year you're fine, or you can also buy your 2010 membership I do believe.
Kinda ****s to be forced to buying a membership when its a nonpoints event!!
CrumpRacing
Dirty on the bottom!
Donny let them race with street tires. They will get there ***** handed to them. Most of them probably wont make the show. No offense to the Ministock guys but the cars I -55 are bad fast. And if your car is set up for Hoosiers it will be night and day different with DOT tires. Good luck.
I will be there in the old 186.
Jason Crump
I will be there in the old 186.
Jason Crump
come on crump
if the pro-4 cars are so "STOCK" then why are they so "BAD FAST"? The pro-4's are like watching paint dry. i've watched the mini-stocks also, and on the bigger tracks they are not so "BAD FAST" either. "... they probably won't even make the show..." I think a Pro-4 vs. MiniStock would be a pretty damn good race. I think..., no, I KNOW you would choke on your own words. I'm not saying they would ALL make the show, but alot of them would, and would win, or be a top-5 or top-10 car... even if they changed everything over and ran the street tires, stock shocks and springs, no jack bolts, and stock carbs. Then, they would be just the same as your rear wheel drive toyota... Shaw, i think you are full of yourself. Have you ever talked to the ministock drivers? They are some of the most down-to-earth nicest people i've ever talked to. They chose MiniStocks for 2 reasons...1. It is an affordable class that their home track chose to run.2. THEY ARE LEARNING DIRT SET-UPS THAT WILL BE USEFULL TO THEM IN THE FUTURE. What is a front-wheel drive on street tires with 30 psi air pressure teaching you? NOTHING. The MiniStocks are allowed hoosiers, racing springs, racing shocks, weight jacks, etc..., and they are learning different spring rates, shocks, offsets, stagger, 1/4 turns, ..... and so on......... They are taking this information and distinguishing what will make the car work better. This is information that they will have a "head-start" on when they move up to a sportsman or modified. So, SHAW, I can tell you that a 212K "original mile motor" in your saturn should not be that fast.... Don't dog on the MiniStock drivers because they run a different set of rules. Crash, you are right. Maybe UMP shouldn't have picked them up. Them jack@$$e$ don't know their own rules. It's just a shame that they did pick them up, and now these guys have payed the same fees that the pro-4's paid, they get points with the pro-4's, but they are not allowed to run a big show with the pro-4's because of the rules that they overlooked. They should have a UMP MiniStock class for these guys. They will have to spend too much money (in a low-budget class) to change their cars so that they can run with the same class that they are getting points with??? Bull$h!t. UMP is a bunch of idiots. Shaw, they are the ones full of themselves...
if the pro-4 cars are so "STOCK" then why are they so "BAD FAST"? The pro-4's are like watching paint dry. i've watched the mini-stocks also, and on the bigger tracks they are not so "BAD FAST" either. "... they probably won't even make the show..." I think a Pro-4 vs. MiniStock would be a pretty damn good race. I think..., no, I KNOW you would choke on your own words. I'm not saying they would ALL make the show, but alot of them would, and would win, or be a top-5 or top-10 car... even if they changed everything over and ran the street tires, stock shocks and springs, no jack bolts, and stock carbs. Then, they would be just the same as your rear wheel drive toyota... Shaw, i think you are full of yourself. Have you ever talked to the ministock drivers? They are some of the most down-to-earth nicest people i've ever talked to. They chose MiniStocks for 2 reasons...1. It is an affordable class that their home track chose to run.2. THEY ARE LEARNING DIRT SET-UPS THAT WILL BE USEFULL TO THEM IN THE FUTURE. What is a front-wheel drive on street tires with 30 psi air pressure teaching you? NOTHING. The MiniStocks are allowed hoosiers, racing springs, racing shocks, weight jacks, etc..., and they are learning different spring rates, shocks, offsets, stagger, 1/4 turns, ..... and so on......... They are taking this information and distinguishing what will make the car work better. This is information that they will have a "head-start" on when they move up to a sportsman or modified. So, SHAW, I can tell you that a 212K "original mile motor" in your saturn should not be that fast.... Don't dog on the MiniStock drivers because they run a different set of rules. Crash, you are right. Maybe UMP shouldn't have picked them up. Them jack@$$e$ don't know their own rules. It's just a shame that they did pick them up, and now these guys have payed the same fees that the pro-4's paid, they get points with the pro-4's, but they are not allowed to run a big show with the pro-4's because of the rules that they overlooked. They should have a UMP MiniStock class for these guys. They will have to spend too much money (in a low-budget class) to change their cars so that they can run with the same class that they are getting points with??? Bull$h!t. UMP is a bunch of idiots. Shaw, they are the ones full of themselves...
