Traction Control

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sean

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An answered prayer for no-talent drivers and incompetent crews.
It is easy to understand why everyone's getting so worked up: No-talent drivers and their lousy crews are stealing money from the guys who are trying to race legitimately.
The tech guys have to be brought up to the speed of the guys that are trying to cheat. If you get aguy that's making a couple hundred thousand dollars a year building these things and you get a guy getting paid $50 a night and a hot dog to try to catch him, who do you think is going to win that battle:

Technology for hiding traction control is better than the technology to find it. But there's also this: Teams that aren't smart enough to win without traction control will rat on each other.
UMP could fix it with intense inspection and severe penalties. If you're one of these no-talents holding trophies while surrounded by guys who couldn't set up a kid's bicycle, you should know that there are areas besides racing where you can pretend.
I'd rather lose races without traction control than win races with it. Just like every other real racer in the country. When a guy running traction control crosses the fiish line first, he's not winning. He's actually the biggest loser in the field.
 
This is not to take anything away from your sentiments, I agree that TC is BS and the guys using it are cheating to win. No doubt about it. But I would like to also say that TC does not actually create traction where there is none. Dry slick is still dry slick, and no TC device will change the track conditions. The guys who make the thing (and have extensively tested it under controlled conditions) only claim a 3 tenth of a second gain with it on average. Its not like "without my TC device I started dead last and finished there, and with it I started dead last and won the race!" cause that just aint gonna happen.

What it does is take a driver who is already highly capable of getting up front in the first place, and makes it a little easier for him to stay there when the track is slick, taking some of the margin for error out of the equation. If you put four equally talented and capable guys in cars on the front two rows, and give one TC and the rest none, chances are the guy with TC is going to win, but he has to first have the talent and ability to compete at that level in the first place.

So I guess my point is that a lot of backmarker non runners in a lot of races are ticked off at getting beat so soundly, and are looking anywhere but at themselves for someone/something to blame, cause we all know we would win every race if we just had what the guy at the front has. Nonsense. If your not getting close to the guys at the front, chances are its not his TC thats beating you, its a whole lot of other stuff you need to get fixed first. All that TC device is doing is giving the guy at the top a little bit of an edge over his closest rivals, he's already got you beat hands down without it unless your regularly there behind him.

The guy who has the right to be pissed the most about TC is the guy who finished second and a few seconds off, not the guy who was a lap down and fading long before the race was over. Ok, well thats it for me. Now let the arguments commence......lol
 
Three tenths (.3) is a whole lot in a latemodel as compettive as racing is today. Thats over half of a lap in a twenty five lap race at I-55, if it stays green all race. Also you can add a few more tenths at the end of a long green run because the tires will be cooler, and have more meat left on them from not being spun all nite. So maybe you get 3 tenths the first 15 laps and five the next ten, thats 3/4 of a lap. Couple that with the guy who has it will definately have new tires, and more of the guys who dont will have slightly used and used tires, you get guys with it lapping guys without it, only because they have it.

I still do not know who does and who don't have it, and I am alot more worried about getting my own engine fixed, than debating who is and who aint.
 
looks to me sean finnished last to may times and is looking for a place and/or other racers to place the blame for his poor performance on
 
I think sean lapped me in the Btown shootout hornet A main in the spring. Musta been that dam TC he has hidden in that car, either that or the Nos system, I couldnt figure out which.......lol ;)

Will you be taking the probe back there for the fall shootout, sean?
 
so sean is a horny car racer,,,you gotta watch them thair hornry car guys,,they are known to be-a-cheatin,,,THEY GOT A BIGGER RUBBER BAND,,,,,,no slam ment on the hornets,,we had one just never had a chance to do right by it,,,,,,,but then what do i know,,i bought the best used late model ever sold and i still run last,,,,,,,,,,,
 
TC is cheating....no way around it. And I agree with Dean, .3 sec is a lot when you multiply that over a 25 lap feature, or a 40 lapper like what's coming up this weekend.

BTW...Dean, you gonna be at I-55 this Saturday?
 
to clear the record,,,I NEVER SAID TRACTION CONTROL WAS NOT CHEATING,,,,,what i said in principal is that is very EZ to sit behind a computer screen and point fingers at some one that has sucess in racing,,,,,,,lenny g. here,,,if i make some one mad,,,,,REAL GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
lenny g. ,fireball or whatever i dont think anyone on this post pointed fingers at anyone i was just saying its cheating. go back & read my original post it dont say any names whatsoever . what the hell is your problem ? if I pissed YOU off well GOOD!!!!!!!!!!! sean f.
 
Moonflow, I will be there without my car, I have not had the funding to repair the engine, thanks for asking.

I was just pointing out how much three tenths really means. If were talking about new tires, better shocks, or whatever. My favorite thing to complain aobut is the size of the required tire inventory to be consitantly competitive with UMPs tire rule, thats were I loose some tenths some times.
 
Thats pretty much what I was driving at Dean, that there are so many ways to lose out to the big money guys in the first place that the TC stuff only really gives the guy who is already right out front with maybe a couple of close rivals nipping at his bumper the edge he needs to beat them more often than not. And for what its worth, how many times do you see the guy out front tearing away get caught up in a backmarker wiht 4 or five laps to go and lose all that time he just spent 20 laps putting between him and the second of third place racers? I just dont think that TC is an answer if your somewhere midfield or further back, I just dont think it can take a mediocre driver or a severely underfunded driver and push him all the way to the front. Thats just my opinion for what ever thats worth.

I think I would much rather be second and not get accused, than win and have a lot of people thinking I cheated to get there.
 
T C?

I think T C should be legalized - then the tech guy wouldnt have to look for it and everone would have it- could save money in the long run on tires and equipment.
Gundaker could have used it lt the last Pevely race.
 
tc i not the end all be all. BUT, it will make a 5th place car into a winner. If you are racing against it (our team has) and you dont have it (we dont) it is harder to keep up. When you don't have it you have to drive 25 perfect laps to keep up vs. only driving 25 mediocre laps with tc. If does not make the car that much faster, just that much easier to drive. If you miss thegroove with it by a foot you are still not out to lunch. It can and is regularly beaten. Unfortunately, it is the way the world works nowadays. Years ago quality engines were for only the priviledged ones. But, cost of building nice engines has come down because of market pressures. Sooner or later, the tc problem will be fixed somehow.
 
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