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Yes, I agree Mike…I think it’s a good way to break more spindles and knock tires off beads.
2009 Hornet Tire Rules, Highland & Tri-City
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ilhornetracer
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2008 Hornet Tire Rules from 11 IL/MO dirt tracks
As promised, I sampled 11 IL/MO dirt track 2008 Hornet Tire Rules. If I missed your favorite IL or MO hornet dirt track please post the tire rule.
Steve Jens
21j
Results:
4 = Street, DOT or Passenger only, no size rule (ClayCounty, FarmerCity, I-57/I-64, SpoonRiver)
3 = 60 series or taller Passenger (Highland, Macomb, Tri-City)
2 = No Low Profile, Passenger only, low profile not defined? ( I-55, Macon)
2 = OEM size for VIN (PikeCounty, QuadCity)
Sampled 2008 Hornet Tire Rules
Clay County Speedway, Flora IL http://www.claycountyspeedwayonline.com
Street Tires ONLY
Farmer City Raceway, Farmer CityIL http://www.farmercityraceway.net/
5. Passenger tires only. Front tires must match each other and rear tires must match each other. Minimum 30 lbs air pressure.
Highland Speedway, HighlandIL http://www.highlandspeedway.com/
7. Passenger tires must be at least 60 series. No grooving or siphoning of tires. Tubes can be used. Rims must be of like size.Tires must be of like size on front and back. Can run 7 inch wide racing wheels or an approved wheel. Racing wheels are mandatory for right side. Left side racing wheels are optional. Stock studs. No bead lock wheels. One inch lug nuts are mandatory. Wheels cannot proceed past body. Tread must not exceed 7“ from outside to outside. Heavier spindles can be used on the right side. There must be a minimum tire pressure of 30 lb on all 4 tires after the race by the track tire gauge. If you are found illegal, all points and money for the night will be forfeited.
I-55 Raceway, Peevly, MO http://www.i55raceway.com/
6. Passenger car tires only, no low profile tires. Minimum inflation for all tires shall be the maximum as determined by the manufacturer and stated on the tire. If tire has no stated maximum, it may NOT be run.
I-57/I-64 Raceway, Mt Vernon IL http://www.i57-i64raceway.com/
No tire rule posted, assume street tires only
Macomb Raceway, MacombIL http://www.macombraceway.com/
9) Wheels must be stock. OEM for make and model. Steel wheels are recommended. Wheel studs must be at least flush without side of lug nuts. Broken studs and missing lug nuts are prohibited. No wheel spacers, no pressure bleeders. Minimum of 30 (thirty) pounds of air pressure in all four tires. NO low profile tires. Only street legal DOT passenger tires all the same size - 60 (sixty-five) series or higher.
Macon Speedway, Macon IL http://maconspeedway.doublej.us/
9. Passenger tires only. Wheels and tires must be of like size. Can run seven inch (7”) wide wheels. No low profile tires. 35 lbs. air pressure minimum.
Peoria Speedway, Peoria IL http://www.peoriaspeedway.com/
Could not find Hornet rules
Pike County Speedway, Pittsfield IL http://www.pikecountyspeedway.com/
1- All wheels must be factory stock OEM (diameter & width) for that year, make, and model of car as per the VIN number plate.
2- No racing or performance enhancing wheels allowed.
3- Wheels cannot be modified in any way such as moving wheel centers or having the wheel widened.
4- No wheel spacers allowed
5- Longer wheel studs will be allowed, and larger lug nuts are recommended
6- All four (4) tires must be D.O.T. legal with an “S” or “T” speed rating.
7- No tire allowed with a “V”,“W”, or “Y” speed rating or any type of high performance tread or compound.
8- No retreads or recaps allowed.
9- All four tires must be the same size. No staggering, or size mixing of tire sizes (Example: 4ea. P195/75R 14).
10- Tires will be the proper size for that year, make, and model car as per the VIN number plate.
11- Tires must have a minimum tread depth of 2/32” anywhere on the tire surface
12- No tire shall have a Durometer reading softer than 58 points or that tire will be considered illegal.
13- Each tire must have a minimum air pressure of 25-PSI when going through TECH. following the race.
Quad City Raceway, East Moline IL http://www.quadcityraceway.com/
10. OEM tire size for car being run and V.I.N. must be provided if requested by officials.
Spoon River Speedway, Canton IL http://www.spoonriverspeedway.com/
6. Tires must be DOT only, mounted on stock, steel, or bead lock rims, be the same size on DRIVE WHEELS and have a minimum of 30 PSI tire pressure.
Tri-City Speedway, Pontoon Beach IL http://www.tricityspeedway.net/
8. TIRES: passenger tires, 60 series or taller only. Wheels and tires must be same size left to right on the front & rear. 30 lbs., air pressure minimum at all times, all four corners. No racing wheels. No grooving or siping will be allowed. Tread width will be 7” MAXIMUM!
As promised, I sampled 11 IL/MO dirt track 2008 Hornet Tire Rules. If I missed your favorite IL or MO hornet dirt track please post the tire rule.
Steve Jens
21j
Results:
4 = Street, DOT or Passenger only, no size rule (ClayCounty, FarmerCity, I-57/I-64, SpoonRiver)
3 = 60 series or taller Passenger (Highland, Macomb, Tri-City)
2 = No Low Profile, Passenger only, low profile not defined? ( I-55, Macon)
2 = OEM size for VIN (PikeCounty, QuadCity)
Sampled 2008 Hornet Tire Rules
Clay County Speedway, Flora IL http://www.claycountyspeedwayonline.com
Street Tires ONLY
Farmer City Raceway, Farmer CityIL http://www.farmercityraceway.net/
5. Passenger tires only. Front tires must match each other and rear tires must match each other. Minimum 30 lbs air pressure.
Highland Speedway, HighlandIL http://www.highlandspeedway.com/
7. Passenger tires must be at least 60 series. No grooving or siphoning of tires. Tubes can be used. Rims must be of like size.Tires must be of like size on front and back. Can run 7 inch wide racing wheels or an approved wheel. Racing wheels are mandatory for right side. Left side racing wheels are optional. Stock studs. No bead lock wheels. One inch lug nuts are mandatory. Wheels cannot proceed past body. Tread must not exceed 7“ from outside to outside. Heavier spindles can be used on the right side. There must be a minimum tire pressure of 30 lb on all 4 tires after the race by the track tire gauge. If you are found illegal, all points and money for the night will be forfeited.
I-55 Raceway, Peevly, MO http://www.i55raceway.com/
6. Passenger car tires only, no low profile tires. Minimum inflation for all tires shall be the maximum as determined by the manufacturer and stated on the tire. If tire has no stated maximum, it may NOT be run.
I-57/I-64 Raceway, Mt Vernon IL http://www.i57-i64raceway.com/
No tire rule posted, assume street tires only
Macomb Raceway, MacombIL http://www.macombraceway.com/
9) Wheels must be stock. OEM for make and model. Steel wheels are recommended. Wheel studs must be at least flush without side of lug nuts. Broken studs and missing lug nuts are prohibited. No wheel spacers, no pressure bleeders. Minimum of 30 (thirty) pounds of air pressure in all four tires. NO low profile tires. Only street legal DOT passenger tires all the same size - 60 (sixty-five) series or higher.
Macon Speedway, Macon IL http://maconspeedway.doublej.us/
9. Passenger tires only. Wheels and tires must be of like size. Can run seven inch (7”) wide wheels. No low profile tires. 35 lbs. air pressure minimum.
Peoria Speedway, Peoria IL http://www.peoriaspeedway.com/
Could not find Hornet rules
Pike County Speedway, Pittsfield IL http://www.pikecountyspeedway.com/
1- All wheels must be factory stock OEM (diameter & width) for that year, make, and model of car as per the VIN number plate.
2- No racing or performance enhancing wheels allowed.
3- Wheels cannot be modified in any way such as moving wheel centers or having the wheel widened.
4- No wheel spacers allowed
5- Longer wheel studs will be allowed, and larger lug nuts are recommended
6- All four (4) tires must be D.O.T. legal with an “S” or “T” speed rating.
7- No tire allowed with a “V”,“W”, or “Y” speed rating or any type of high performance tread or compound.
8- No retreads or recaps allowed.
9- All four tires must be the same size. No staggering, or size mixing of tire sizes (Example: 4ea. P195/75R 14).
10- Tires will be the proper size for that year, make, and model car as per the VIN number plate.
11- Tires must have a minimum tread depth of 2/32” anywhere on the tire surface
12- No tire shall have a Durometer reading softer than 58 points or that tire will be considered illegal.
13- Each tire must have a minimum air pressure of 25-PSI when going through TECH. following the race.
Quad City Raceway, East Moline IL http://www.quadcityraceway.com/
10. OEM tire size for car being run and V.I.N. must be provided if requested by officials.
Spoon River Speedway, Canton IL http://www.spoonriverspeedway.com/
6. Tires must be DOT only, mounted on stock, steel, or bead lock rims, be the same size on DRIVE WHEELS and have a minimum of 30 PSI tire pressure.
Tri-City Speedway, Pontoon Beach IL http://www.tricityspeedway.net/
8. TIRES: passenger tires, 60 series or taller only. Wheels and tires must be same size left to right on the front & rear. 30 lbs., air pressure minimum at all times, all four corners. No racing wheels. No grooving or siping will be allowed. Tread width will be 7” MAXIMUM!
ilhornetracer
New Member
Hornet Tire Rules discussion
Thanks Mike for the tire size info and comments. If anybody knows Hornet race cars it’s Mike Z. I’m glad he will be at the rules meeting because he brings a lot of experience and knowledge to the table which will help keep guys like me from screwing the rules up too much.
With that being said, I’m not going to get into a huge debate on here about the pros/cons of low profile tires. I have my opinion; I want the rule changed from 60 to 55 series. The 7” tread rule is fine with me. I think the rules need to adjust with the times; my 1990 Beretta was OEM with 205/55R16 so I think I should be allowed to run that size in a pure stock class. Some people will agree, others will disagree, that is why we have this forum and the rules meeting.
I would also like to address or recap some points brought up by Rob, Mike and Danno which may or may not support my opinion. I’m not pretending to be totally impartial, because I do have an agenda. Hopefully some of these points will help us have an informed discussion in this forum and at the meeting. Please feel free to share you opinions, facts, or corrections to mine.
Points and references:
1 - There are several of 55 series tires available with 7” or less tread width. (see tirerack.com)
2 - Highland and Tri-City tire rules are very similar, tracks are different lengths. Other track rules go from “street tires only” to very restrictive (see previous 2008 Hornet Tire Rules post)
3 - 16” tires and rims generally do cost more than 14” and 15” tires & rims. (see tirerack.com)
4 – Taller sidewalls flex more and provide more cushion on bumpy dirt tracks. Shorter sidewalls are stiffer and have a harsher ride (harder on suspension components). (Mike Z says so, and I believe him + multiple web sources confirm)
5 – Sidewall height is the product of (section width) X (aspect ratio %). (See the tire size calculator site Mike referenced) http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/chevylist/tech/tire_size_conversion.htm
Example sidewall height calculations for a 205/55, 205/60, 185/60 tire.
Formula: Section width (mm)/25.4 = in. X aspect ratio = sidewall height in.
205 /25.4 = 8.07" X .55 = 4.44" sidewall
205 /25.4 = 8.07" X .60 = 4.84" sidewall
185 /25.4 = 7.28" X .60 = 4.37" sidewall
Thanks Mike for the tire size info and comments. If anybody knows Hornet race cars it’s Mike Z. I’m glad he will be at the rules meeting because he brings a lot of experience and knowledge to the table which will help keep guys like me from screwing the rules up too much.
With that being said, I’m not going to get into a huge debate on here about the pros/cons of low profile tires. I have my opinion; I want the rule changed from 60 to 55 series. The 7” tread rule is fine with me. I think the rules need to adjust with the times; my 1990 Beretta was OEM with 205/55R16 so I think I should be allowed to run that size in a pure stock class. Some people will agree, others will disagree, that is why we have this forum and the rules meeting. I would also like to address or recap some points brought up by Rob, Mike and Danno which may or may not support my opinion. I’m not pretending to be totally impartial, because I do have an agenda. Hopefully some of these points will help us have an informed discussion in this forum and at the meeting. Please feel free to share you opinions, facts, or corrections to mine.
Points and references:
1 - There are several of 55 series tires available with 7” or less tread width. (see tirerack.com)
2 - Highland and Tri-City tire rules are very similar, tracks are different lengths. Other track rules go from “street tires only” to very restrictive (see previous 2008 Hornet Tire Rules post)
3 - 16” tires and rims generally do cost more than 14” and 15” tires & rims. (see tirerack.com)
4 – Taller sidewalls flex more and provide more cushion on bumpy dirt tracks. Shorter sidewalls are stiffer and have a harsher ride (harder on suspension components). (Mike Z says so, and I believe him + multiple web sources confirm)
5 – Sidewall height is the product of (section width) X (aspect ratio %). (See the tire size calculator site Mike referenced) http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/chevylist/tech/tire_size_conversion.htm
Example sidewall height calculations for a 205/55, 205/60, 185/60 tire.
Formula: Section width (mm)/25.4 = in. X aspect ratio = sidewall height in.
205 /25.4 = 8.07" X .55 = 4.44" sidewall
205 /25.4 = 8.07" X .60 = 4.84" sidewall
185 /25.4 = 7.28" X .60 = 4.37" sidewall
Note: The sidewall height difference between a 205/55 and 205/60 tire is 0.4” and the 205/55 sidewall is actually 0.07” taller than a 185/60 sidewall.
6 - Wheel size is not a factor of the sidewall height but does impact the overall diameter of the tire. A handy calculator for general diameter comparison of different tire/rim sizes: http://www.tyretown.com/my_sizecalc.htm
Bottom line: If you don’t like the rules, go to the rules meeting and try to change them. If a majority of the hornet drivers at the meeting do/don’t want a rule change then that is the way it should be. If the track says “no rule change” that is the way it is. Either way, it’s pretty simple if the rules don’t change your way, you can buy your own track, take your business elsewhere, or shut up and race. I think I'm pretty much done pleading my case on this forum and look forward to the meeting Sunday.
I think I'm pretty much done pleading my case on this forum and look forward to the meeting Sunday. Hope this gives you all something to chew on besides turkey this weekend. I really appreciate everybody keeping the thread focused on tire rules; I know its boring reading, but hopefully it’s easier to get the info without wading through a bunch of “other” stuff.
Happy Thanksgiving
Steve Jens, 21j
Steve Jens, 21j
