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skippy05
Twitter.com/Brandon_Mudd
The movie "3" was so factually inaccurate it was ridiculous. The researchers at ESPN are lazy to the point of being criminal. I spoke to Kerry Earnhardt this morning in an interview that will air Wed. night on KFNS and he said the same thing. He was disappointed that no one from ESPN contacted him or the rest of the Earnhardt family and he said he was disappointed with the manner in which Dale was portrayed. I personally felt the errors in the movie didn't add anything, it would have been easy to be factually correct, and considering Earnhardt's life was pretty amazing in reality, why make anything up to begin with? All in all, a pretty piss-poor effort from an organization one would think would do a better job, considering they are going to try to start running NASCAR races again in '08.
skippy05
Twitter.com/Brandon_Mudd
Surprisingly enough, Jake Elder's character was one of the few things they got right. Except for the fact Elder left the team midway through Dale's first championship year in '80 and was replaced by a nineteen-year-old Doug Richert, who is currently Greg Biffle's crew chief.
HOTracefan said:
QuadSRacing19
"Schmitt" happens
ur an ***!! just appriciate it that someone actually made the movie.. i loved it.. some ones always gotta get on here and *****.. well usualy its about something thats *****able.. but this isnt.. just shut up...if u dont like it dont watch it.. there never gonna be able to get all the facts correct.. hello it WAS a MOVIE..
QuadSRacing19
"Schmitt" happens
this was on a channel that i had watched a couple evenings before a reporter had asked Jr if he was going to be in the movie and he said that If it wasnt his real father in there he wasnt going to be in there
skippy05
Twitter.com/Brandon_Mudd
I guess I didn't get the memo from Jimmy that we all have to agree with your opinion. Let's break this down piece by piece, shall we? First of all, when your argument consists of namecalling and profanity, it gives observers the belief you are not intelligent enough to carry on a proper debate. Also you'll note, I did not once slander anyone on this board who liked the movie. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. I said the movie was horrible (an opinion). I also said the movie was erroneous in numerous scenes (a fact). If you want to argue the opinion, by all means, please do so. But again, when you're resorting to blasting me with namecalling and profanity, it completely nullifies your "argument."
Also, why should I appreciate it when it's wrong and gives viewers bad information, both about that particular era of NASCAR and about the man himself? And "there never gonna be able to get all the facts correct"? Are you kidding? Dale Earnhardt was one of the most interviewed athletes on the planet, as well as one of the most covered by the media. We're not talking Bobby Isaacs or Red Byron here. We're talking about the Intimidator. Do you mean to tell me there's no way of getting some pretty easy facts straight? I've been blessed enough to cover NASCAR for a living for about five years and I was able to see the glaring errors in this movie. ESPN covered them for 20 years...you would think someone could do a little better job researching.
And finally, if I'm an *** (you can say it, most of us are mature here), I guess that makes the Earnhardt family a group of asses as well, since they had the same complaints I did. I spoke to Dale Jr. about the movie when he was in town in OCT and he refused to comment on it because he wasn't happy about it. I spoke to Kerry about it THIS MORNING on the phone and he wasn't pleased in the slightest because ESPN never contacted the Earnhardt family ONE TIME about getting the facts straight. If you like, I can run down all the errors I saw...it may take some time, so I hope you have no plans.
So, in conclusion, the last time I checked, Jimmy set up this board so people could talk and debate racing issues. Telling me to "shut up" and cursing me out is basically saying only your opinion and those who agree with it have validity here and that anyone else doesn't get to speak. Hate to break it to you, but if that's your mentality, you're not going to get far in the real world.
Brandon Mudd
Also, why should I appreciate it when it's wrong and gives viewers bad information, both about that particular era of NASCAR and about the man himself? And "there never gonna be able to get all the facts correct"? Are you kidding? Dale Earnhardt was one of the most interviewed athletes on the planet, as well as one of the most covered by the media. We're not talking Bobby Isaacs or Red Byron here. We're talking about the Intimidator. Do you mean to tell me there's no way of getting some pretty easy facts straight? I've been blessed enough to cover NASCAR for a living for about five years and I was able to see the glaring errors in this movie. ESPN covered them for 20 years...you would think someone could do a little better job researching.
And finally, if I'm an *** (you can say it, most of us are mature here), I guess that makes the Earnhardt family a group of asses as well, since they had the same complaints I did. I spoke to Dale Jr. about the movie when he was in town in OCT and he refused to comment on it because he wasn't happy about it. I spoke to Kerry about it THIS MORNING on the phone and he wasn't pleased in the slightest because ESPN never contacted the Earnhardt family ONE TIME about getting the facts straight. If you like, I can run down all the errors I saw...it may take some time, so I hope you have no plans.
So, in conclusion, the last time I checked, Jimmy set up this board so people could talk and debate racing issues. Telling me to "shut up" and cursing me out is basically saying only your opinion and those who agree with it have validity here and that anyone else doesn't get to speak. Hate to break it to you, but if that's your mentality, you're not going to get far in the real world.
Brandon Mudd
QuadSRacing19 said:
dirtgoon
'89 S-10, 350 Smallblock
Well ESPN accomplished what they wanted to do. Out of the four made for ESPN movies 3 was by far the highest rated. I think that says more about all the people that cared for Dale more than anything else. I suspected in the beginning that ESPN would take libertys in putting a factual movie together. I would like to see a factual movie with all the Earnhardt's approval. His story would be better on the big screen imo.
skippy05
Twitter.com/Brandon_Mudd
I couldn't agree more. It shows the power of NASCAR and the loyalty the fans have both to NASCAR and to Dale's memory and I would also love to see a theatrical release of a movie about Dale. I'm just annoyed by the fact this movie could have been more factually accurate with a little more research and what's even more frustrating is the fact the errors, if done intentionally, didn't add anything extra to the movie. NASCAR fans are probably the biggest stat heads in sports and believe me, I'm sure more people noticed the errors in this movie than other fans would notice the mistakes in the other ESPN movies...
dirtgoon said:
Lve50Racing
Co11inz Fan
I'm not a huge Nascar fan or a Dale fan. I watched the movie and have no clue on what errors you are talking about.
skippy05
Twitter.com/Brandon_Mudd
If you're not a NASCAR fan, you probably wouldn't see them. I'm not trying to be condescending, but the errors made weren't things the average viewer would notice. The problem is, I think the movie was made primarily for NASCAR fans and for Dale's fans and if a non-fan watched the movie, that's fine with ESPN. But as I've said before, NASCAR fans are some of the most fanatical fans I've seen when it comes to stats and knowing almost everything about their driver. Some of the mistakes I saw:
Dale met Teresa for the first time when she was 14. And she DEFINITELY had nothing to do with Dale's ride with Rod Osterlund.
While the story about the guy waving the gun at Dale is true, he was not rescued by Neil Bonnett and in fact, did not meet Neil until they were both in Cup.
Dale Jr. was not the one who told Dale about Neil's death, as Junior wasn't even in Daytona at the time.
Suitcase Jake was portrayed fairly accurately, except for the fact he left Earnhardt mid-way through the '80 season and Dale eventually won his first championship with Doug Richert.
The "I didn't want to wreck him...just rattle his cage" quote wasn't aimed at Waltrip at Richmond in '86, it was aimed at Terry Labonte after the infamous '99 Bristol night race.
The "Tie a gas-soaked rag around your ankles..." comment also wasn't aimed at Waltrip, but at a group of drivers complaining about the high speeds at Talledega in the mid- to late-90's.
Dale's father did not die in his garage; he died of a heart attack in his kitchen and no one was there when it happened.
Worst of all was all the mistakes shown during the 2001 Daytona 500. If you look at the cars on pit row, Bobby Labonte is behind Dale. In 2001, Labonte drove a Pontiac. Not only is the car a Chevy, but it's the '03 body style. Dale Jr.'s pit crew were wearing the '03 Budweiser jackets, Jeff Gordon still had the rainbow paint scheme (he went to the flames that year), and Rusty's rolling off with some paint scheme no one has ever seen before.
Those are just a few of the things I saw. Maybe I'm just anal, but like I said, if I noticed those things, surely other people did, too, and I can't imagine ESPN couldn't afford to have someone do some better research for this movie. None of those mistakes added to the drama of the movie, possibly with the exception of Ralph's death.
Just my opinion...hopefully, we're back to allowing differing opinions on this board...
Dale met Teresa for the first time when she was 14. And she DEFINITELY had nothing to do with Dale's ride with Rod Osterlund.
While the story about the guy waving the gun at Dale is true, he was not rescued by Neil Bonnett and in fact, did not meet Neil until they were both in Cup.
Dale Jr. was not the one who told Dale about Neil's death, as Junior wasn't even in Daytona at the time.
Suitcase Jake was portrayed fairly accurately, except for the fact he left Earnhardt mid-way through the '80 season and Dale eventually won his first championship with Doug Richert.
The "I didn't want to wreck him...just rattle his cage" quote wasn't aimed at Waltrip at Richmond in '86, it was aimed at Terry Labonte after the infamous '99 Bristol night race.
The "Tie a gas-soaked rag around your ankles..." comment also wasn't aimed at Waltrip, but at a group of drivers complaining about the high speeds at Talledega in the mid- to late-90's.
Dale's father did not die in his garage; he died of a heart attack in his kitchen and no one was there when it happened.
Worst of all was all the mistakes shown during the 2001 Daytona 500. If you look at the cars on pit row, Bobby Labonte is behind Dale. In 2001, Labonte drove a Pontiac. Not only is the car a Chevy, but it's the '03 body style. Dale Jr.'s pit crew were wearing the '03 Budweiser jackets, Jeff Gordon still had the rainbow paint scheme (he went to the flames that year), and Rusty's rolling off with some paint scheme no one has ever seen before.
Those are just a few of the things I saw. Maybe I'm just anal, but like I said, if I noticed those things, surely other people did, too, and I can't imagine ESPN couldn't afford to have someone do some better research for this movie. None of those mistakes added to the drama of the movie, possibly with the exception of Ralph's death.
Just my opinion...hopefully, we're back to allowing differing opinions on this board...
Lve50Racing said:
Lve50Racing
Co11inz Fan
My boyfriend said that he thaught Ralph died later in Dale career but he wasn't sure.
Thank you for pointing out those mistakes. I wasn't trying yo be rude I just want to know that fact about someones life.
Thank you for pointing out those mistakes. I wasn't trying yo be rude I just want to know that fact about someones life.
t.nie
Patience Tester
I am glad that someone more knowledgable than me actually said what needed to be said, and that is simply that "3" was a major disappointment, wholly lacking in factual accuracy. I did not know half of what Skippy posted, but it adds to what I did know a great deal. The things I noticed were that in 01, Dale was wearing the clear goggles at Daytona, not the tinted ones in the movie. I knew Ralph died in the kitchen and not the way they portrayed it in the movie.
The biggest thing that irked me about it was the atmosphere they created between Ralph and Dale. The way the movie portrayed it, there seemed to be an estrangement after Dale quit high school to race, like Ralph kind of disowned Dale. My own impression was that nothing was further from the truth, that Ralph was not happy, but he continued to support and help Dale despite his misgivings. In fact, they seem to make it out that Ralph pretty much blew Dale off whenever he was around after that. The facts as I understand them are that Dale still worked in Ralph's race shop for money occasionally long after he quit high school to race full time. Not exactly the impression one would get watching "3."
That and they way they made Ralph out to be a weapon on the track. Watching "3 Nation" other drivers commented that Ralph was smooth and fast, and rarely made contact with other drivers, as a broken car was expensive and an unnecessary burden to fix. In fact, people like Buddy Baker said the whole Intimidator mentality was all Dale, that he was almost the opposite of his daddy. Go figure. That was not the impression the movie left you with, for sure.
I can almost hear the Earnhardt clan collectively sighing at the movie and muttering "that aint how I remember it." And to me that is the most important indictment or praise of any documentary, when the people who would know give it a thumbs up or thumbs down.
The biggest thing that irked me about it was the atmosphere they created between Ralph and Dale. The way the movie portrayed it, there seemed to be an estrangement after Dale quit high school to race, like Ralph kind of disowned Dale. My own impression was that nothing was further from the truth, that Ralph was not happy, but he continued to support and help Dale despite his misgivings. In fact, they seem to make it out that Ralph pretty much blew Dale off whenever he was around after that. The facts as I understand them are that Dale still worked in Ralph's race shop for money occasionally long after he quit high school to race full time. Not exactly the impression one would get watching "3."
That and they way they made Ralph out to be a weapon on the track. Watching "3 Nation" other drivers commented that Ralph was smooth and fast, and rarely made contact with other drivers, as a broken car was expensive and an unnecessary burden to fix. In fact, people like Buddy Baker said the whole Intimidator mentality was all Dale, that he was almost the opposite of his daddy. Go figure. That was not the impression the movie left you with, for sure.
I can almost hear the Earnhardt clan collectively sighing at the movie and muttering "that aint how I remember it." And to me that is the most important indictment or praise of any documentary, when the people who would know give it a thumbs up or thumbs down.
DieHardDirtFan
What? What title?
I don't think it WAS documentary. It think it was a MOVIE.
skippy05
Twitter.com/Brandon_Mudd
The point is, it can still be a movie and be factually correct. Many times, a movie changes facts to enhance the final product. I don't think anything was enhanced by the changes made. I mean, it's Dale Earnhardt! It's not as though the man led a boring life. You can tell his story using nothing but fact and it's an amazing tale. Again, just my opinion...
DieHardDirtFan said:
QuadSRacing19
"Schmitt" happens
finally some one that brings up my point... but i do agree with skippy on one thing.. wtf was that paint scheme on rustys car?? that was just stupid
