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smokey94

smokey94
first pill draw luck then dice luck. why should u get put back spots that u already advanced in heats. it suks!
 
It does suk, but it's the same for everybody, therefore it's fair. Besides, if your car ran third in the second heat and a six was rolled which moves you to the pole, I doubt you would complain.

Brian #44
 
i think they should roll the dice in driver meeting before the races so everyone gets to see it. cause theres no way u can figure out the passing points that fast to rig the races
 
Dice or for Craps and Yahtzee. If you you earned the spot you should get the spot.

F the dice. JMO

Crump
 
Mr. Crump. Do you ever think why tracks do this? I'll tell you why. BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT YOU. Every track has found different and creative ways of inverting the field over the last forty years for one reason, to keep fans in the seats. If the racer got the spot he earned every week, then the fast guys would always start up front and most of the time will run away with the race. That makes for boring racing and fans won't pay to see boring racing. That's a fact. Race promoters learned this years ago. There has to be some kind of invert system, be it a dice roll, pill draw or whatever to make the races interesting for the the racer and especially the fan. Remember, without the fans we have nothing. Every racer should realize that it's not just what he wants but, most importantly, what the fans want as well. That being said, I too, am not a big fan of the dice roll. As both a racer and a fan I would rather have racing instead. Bring back the dashes.

Respectfully, Brian #44
 
I for one like the dice roll. I've said it before, not just because it work for me friday night. The way I see it, it give others a shot at the front that may not otherwise get a chance to start the. Most of us on here can just about name the few guys in each feature who will win each night. It is nice to see them have to do some passing for it occasionally. But, I can see both sides of the argument too.
 
Please don't misunderstand me. If there are no dashes then there has to be a way to invert. The dice roll is as good as any.

Brian #44
 
at pevely, i would think its a non-issue; the track is plenty wide enough that passing is well, not necessarily easy, but, well, entirely do-able. at belleville, it probably is more of an issue. racers generally are adaptive creatures, so if you catch them, you can find a way around them. sometimes it's over and through them! lol!
 
Darkstar44 said:
Mr. Crump. Do you ever think why tracks do this? I'll tell you why. BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT YOU. Every track has found different and creative ways of inverting the field over the last forty years for one reason, to keep fans in the seats. If the racer got the spot he earned every week, then the fast guys would always start up front and most of the time will run away with the race. That makes for boring racing and fans won't pay to see boring racing. That's a fact. Race promoters learned this years ago. There has to be some kind of invert system, be it a dice roll, pill draw or whatever to make the races interesting for the the racer and especially the fan. Remember, without the fans we have nothing. Every racer should realize that it's not just what he wants but, most importantly, what the fans want as well. That being said, I too, am not a big fan of the dice roll. As both a racer and a fan I would rather have racing instead. Bring back the dashes.

Respectfully, Brian #44
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Holy $h!t, this dice thing was probably your idea.

Never said it was ALL ABOUT ME or any particular driver for that matter, I never even put myself in the picture. Although I do have the right to post my opinion, hence the JMO (just my opinion). FYI, I am also a racer and a fan. Tracks have been trying these antics for 40 years because none of them work; if one did, we would still be doing it today, ohh wait its the dash! Also how many other types of racing are there where they do these "luck of the draw" starts for the main event. If we are doing want the fans want then why no more dashes.

The dice roll doesn't effect me at the level I am currently running. I look at it from the guy who earns the spot. The harder you work the more you deserve it when you earn it and not to be taken away, so there can be a pass or 2 made. Put him/her where they earned the spot and let them- run away with it, catch lap traffic, get a flat or make a mistake; its racing... there will be excitement and there will be fans in the seats, even if you give them their earned spot. Lets say half off the fans at the track or fans of driver XYZ. He should start on the pole and gets P6 on the dice. He gets to turn one and everyone gets piled up and driver XYZ get towed off, now all these people are PO'd because of the invert.

Also, this works both ways. There are a handful of fans that may think this is more entertaining, some may not even know they are lined up different. But there isn't going to be a race if the racers aren't happy with how things are run.

My final thought...
You have to draw for a pill to start your heat and you draw a bad pill, so you start in the back. Your fast guy will make it to the front to get a dice roll that puts them back in sixth instead of the pole. Why not just get rid off the heats start everyone that shows up in the feature based on their pill and go racing if you want maximum excitement.

FYI, I also prefer the dashes. Its harder on the equipment and teams but luck of the draw doesn't determine the outcome.

Crump
 
Gotta agree with Jason.

The dashes are some of the best races of the night!

You should get to keep what you earn.

Do away with the dice. (Unless of course it's casino night!!)
 
i dont see nascar with a dice. i think if you want to invert something invert the heat race winners like they do at the summer national races
 
i usually dont go to allied events, but i have went to enough of them to ask this question.... even when the ran the dash, didnt the finishers 1 by 1 in their finishing order, form a single file line at the finish line, and draw a pill/number//whatever it was 1 thru 6, and that determined their feature start position? if i am correct here, and i think i am, what good did the dash do? it only let you draw in an order...not necessarily start there. the 1st 3 rows were still determined by luck, NOT by actual finish positions ;you could start anywhere 1-6. so, whats the diff in running a dash or not? whats the diff in a dice or a number draw?if i am missing something here, please help me out.
 
Crump. It was a bad choice of words on my part. Instead of saying it's not all about you, I should have said it's not all about the racers. I never said it should ALL be about the fans either, but nowhere in your original post did you ever consider the reason for the for inverts. That is the reason I responded the way I did. Since reading your latest post, there are some things I agree with and some things I don't. There is no time to qualify at B-ville. If you can think of a more fair way to line the cars up other than a pill draw, I'm sure Allied would be all ears. I never implied that you don't have the right to voice your opinion. With that you must respect my priviledge to respond. No, the dice roll was not my idea. I thought that I made myself clear on that when I said I was not a big fan of it. It's clear that we both agree on dashes, so I suggest we do something positive and combine our efforts to that end, rather than waste time arguing on this forum.

Once again, RESPECTFULLY,

Brian #44
 
midget racer ur right. just to prove a point i know a guy that got laped 4 times in a 6 lap dash and went up to the bucket and drawed a 2. and he didnt wear out his equipment. i would take my chances
 
Feel lucky they only invert 6 spots... I've been to tracks where the fast guy never starts in the front, always in the back... was some of the best racing I've ever seen!
 
if they woukld never got rid of the dashes this whole dice thing would not be a issue but i agree with some of you guys thedashes were some of the best racing of the night but know it what it is
 
Since i am to lazy to look up the points, has it had an affect as far as keeping the points closer?

And since i haven't been able to make too many races, has the feature racing been better?

These aren't loaded questions, just want your opinions. I am big time against the dice but if its doing what it was intended for then great, but if its not making better racing (and close points battles usually make better racing) then bring the dashes back.

My original thought was, if no dashes then add laps to the feature. I would still like to see that done. Especially for the sportsmans (15 laps is not enough).
 
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