Briggs Animal Limited Modified

At the meeting i also tried to get uas rules but the others there wanted the 360 weight rule.If we went with uas rules how would yor check engine size unless you let everybody declair there engine size and you believed them.
 
What are the basics regarding UAS rules? I guess I should say, what's the difference between UAS rules and the ones we already have a Bedrock?
 
Not diggin' on you Scott...just saying if they want to call it "outlaw", then make it outlaw. :D

I think the following is right for UAS:

Engines:
# Any type two-stoke cycle engine or engines, no limit to modifications.
# Any type four-stroke cycle engine or engines, no limit to modifications.

Minimum Weight / Maximum Displacement:
# Rotary valve or reed valve two-stoke cycle engine or engines, 230 lbs plus one pound for each cc or fraction of a cc. Multiple engines or cylinders are permissible. 210 cc maximum total displacement.
# Flat Head four-stroke cycle engine or engines, 190 lbs plus one pound for every 3cc or fraction of a cc. Multiple engines or cylinders are permissible. 466 cc maximum total displacement.
# Piston Port, McCulloch or US820 (West Bend) two-stroke cycle emgine or engines, 170 lbs plus one pound for every cc or fraction of a cc Multiple engines or cylinders are permissible 210 cc maximum total displacement.
# Overhead Cam (OHC) four-stroke cycle engine or engines, 245 lbs plus one pound for every 2cc or fraction of a cc. Multiple engines or cylinders are permissible. 265 cc maximum displacement.
# Overhead Valve Push Rod (OHV) four-stroke cycle engine or engines, 220 lbs plus one pound for every 2.5cc or fraction of a cc. Multiple engines or cylinders are permissible. 446 cc maximum total displacement.
# Forced Induction and Nitrous Oxide. If a kart is equipped with some type of supercharger, turbocharger, or nitrous oxide system, add 15 lbs for each cylinder that is served by the system.
# Mixed Engine type in multiple engine situations. The minimum weight for the engine corresponding with the higher weight will be imposed.
# Fuel. There are no fuel restrictions except that no illegal substance or substances may be used as fuel or as a fuel additive.

Calculating Displacement / Declaring Weight:
# The bore will be measured with dial calipers and the stroke with a two or three inch travel dial indicator.
# The following formula will be used for calculating displacement; BORE X BORE X STROKE X .7854 X 16.39= CC of engine. (This assumes that the bore and stroke were measured in inches. The 16.39 is a conversion factor from cubic centimeters.)
# Always round up to the nearest whole cc when calculating minimum weight.
# Competitors must declare their weight and display it next to their front number in such a manner that the scale person can easily see it.
 
andy. we cant get anyone to check for plates in junior class!!I dont think we will get people to pull heads to check displacement.
 
I posted the UAS rules because Justin asked about them.....I never said I was for them. :)
 
Well AndyI have 2 questions
#1 Lets stop screwing around if UAS isnt what you would call outlaw & bedrock rules arent outlaw.then what do YOU call out law???

Are we having this dicussion because your going to come play with us this year( the outlaw class )or just giving your opinion to stir the pot??? OH please enlighten us!

Racer 75 I disagree with a animal being more competive than a 305 for less money. A stock raptor is 12.5 cu/in, a stock 305 is 18.6 cu/in, if you would to put the same money each engine wich would you think would make more power?, parts for either are about the same money, You can only strock a animal to 2.437 or the stock length of a raptor. you can stroke a 305 up to 2.638 or plus .200 for either. Max bore is about 3" for a animal& about 3.25 for a 305. Now which do you think would make more power ? you can always de tune a big engine if its to much you can only get so much out of a animal. also to make a animal run & make power you will have to rpm it in the 8000 range a 305 you will rpm it in the 6500 range. Every body talks about HP lets talk about torque you get more torque from displacement or CU/IN.


O well Im tried of typing I will continue later. on HP vs torque 4 stroke vs 2 stroke.

Over & out!!!
 
Thanks for posting the rules Andy. I knew nothing about UAS. I don't care what rules we have, I/we would follow whatever rules are fair and the best for kart count. I'm just trying to understand the motors.

Here's where I'm hung up on the engine deal (which I'm sure Scott's not going to like this :D ), the 4 strokes seem to run really well at Bedrock and Coulterville, but everywhere else we go the 2 strokes dominate. So basically, if your only going to run Bedrock, a 4 stroke would be fine. But if your going to travel to the big shows, it seems like you need a 2 stroke to be competitive.
 
I saw it! Ol' Dee put the hurtin's on every 4 stroke down at Tunica with his 2 stroke, for that you may be correct that way Justin. Yet as far as Bedrock I could name a few "stock class" runners that turned faster times than the outlaw runners when the track was more on the dry side. Run slicks and you'll be faster; CROW will show ya!!:cool: :D
 
Wow the BS fator is getting high, I dont have a problem with 2 strokes, & engines don't win races win races, corner speed does!!! he with the most corner speed will win ( almost always) . As far as 2 stroke versus 4 stroke, It is my opinion that on a short track he who has the most low end torque will have a advantage( if corner speed is some what equal) on a short track with little or no banking you are out of the throttle for a long time. if kart a & kart b come out of the corner at the same speed The kart with the most torque will pull away, at least thats my theory.It is my opinion on a small track that were asyou are on & off the throttle often a 4 stroke will have the advantage,as a 4 stroke does have more torque. On a long banked track were you are on the throttle more. I believe the weed eater will have the advantage. If I were running on a bigger track then I might run a weed eater engine too! they are much more forgiving with there wide rpm range, But until someone proves me wrong on convence's me other wise I'll use the 2 stroker as a pony motor to start my big 4 stroker.

As far as the slick vs the the treaded Quit it !! you guys are killing me !!!:D :D :D If this is the case someone better call Bloomer, & Eckert next it gets dry & tell them they better put slicks on, last time I looked they put on a harder tire & put more grooves & sipes in it. Why do they do that ????:confused: :confused: :confused: Think about it :rolleyes: :rolleyes: let mre know your opinion:cool: :cool:

Over & out!!

PS ask that #6B Guy he had that opinion at 1 time ask what he thinks about slick vs treads, Sorry for the spelling Misserymudd as I have corrected it for you Over!!!
 
Yah!!!! it's probably over there head!!!!!! I think I saw them at Dorleda Indiana, or maybe at City tri as they were lapping Edson dixs not real sure??? but I herd about them once!!:eek:

Over & out:D :D
 
I've never ran an Outlaw but I think I would have to agree with the treads (would be better) due to the fact you have more than enough power!
The reason people started running slicks in the stock classes was because it's freeer (sp) and u r limited on motor so u need all you can get.
As far as Tunica they make you run slicks! I seen Dee Pachal run treads in a track in GA on his 2-stroke.
 
Who is Bloomer??? I know Eckerts, it's a country store! :D

Treads are probably the way to go at Bedrock. The track just doesn't make enough bite.
 
Ha ha the BS worked! I got 7 other responds from it.:p I do see your side of it though, plus I'd much rather watch those big 4 strokes run than those bee hives any day!!!
 
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