Five St. Louis area tracks adjust Hoosier EMOD Tire Rule

How does that price people out of racing? Let's take a poll, how many of you racers get 6 nights of "good to great" performance out of your right rear tires? They might get a couple nights out of an uncut tire but it will continue to get slower every time on the track. So let's say a guy buys 15-20 new tires a year, that's $750-1000 to me. Now let's say you have to by twice the amount of right rears because you chose not to deal with me, which is your choice, the numbers will be much higher out of pocket not changing the tire.
 
KynetixSolutions said:
You know what you're right, we shouldn't have to play with our carbs, shocks, chassis or anything else to make them work right either.
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Carbs come with the presumption that you are going to change jets, etc to match it to the engine. Adjustable shocks come with the fittings and ability to be adjusted for changing track conditions. Chassis are manufactured to be adjusted with multiple mounting holes for different components to adjust to changing track conditions.

It's not like you buy the chassis, then take it to a guy who for $50 drills the holes so it can be adjusted. It's not like you buy the carb then take it to a guy who remanufactures it so you can change the jets for $50. It's not like you buy a shock then have to take it to another guy who modifies it so it's adjustable for $50.

You aren't comparing apples to apples with that. Tires are ground to add life, siped to allow heat build up when needed and grooved to improve cooling when needed. However, all of that can be done by any racer themselves, just like changing a jet, remounting a bar or adjusting a shock.

If you buy something and immediately have to take it to someone else and pay them $50 to have it altered to get the best use out of it, that would kind of lead me to believe the manufacturer is dropping the ball, because if someone else has to be paid and the racer can't alter it themselves to get a lot more life/performance out of it, then maybe the manufacturer should just be doing that before they sell it to you. Like the shocks that come adjustable, the chassis that comes with all the holes drilled in it and the carb already set up to allow for adjustment.
 
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KynetixSolutions said:
How does that price people out of racing? Let's take a poll, how many of you racers get 6 nights of "good to great" performance out of your right rear tires? They might get a couple nights out of an uncut tire but it will continue to get slower every time on the track. So let's say a guy buys 15-20 new tires a year, that's $750-1000 to me. Now let's say you have to by twice the amount of right rears because you chose not to deal with me, which is your choice, the numbers will be much higher out of pocket not changing the tire.
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See the above post. Racers shouldn't have to buy twice the tires OR pay you to get a decent tire with a comparable wear rate to what they were already using.

It doesn't matter what tire the racers have to use, as long as they all are using the same tires. What racers are bothered about is changing rules that cost them money, either by having to buy more tires to stay competitive with those who can afford as many tires as they want, or by having to pay someone extra cash to alter the most competitive tire to get some extra useful life out of it.

Bottom line, I think, people were ok with how things were. Toss a new tire in the mix that's worth .09 a lap that wears faster if unaltered, or costs $50 to get altered so it doesn't wear out in the blink of an eye and you're bound to get some people upset.

I think, if it were me making the decision, I would have stuck with whatever tire rule was in place when the season started and let it play out for a year, then change the tire rules when the season was over. People may have not liked the tire rules, but at least what you started with was what you had for the whole season. At least then there is stability.

Changing ANY rule (unless its something for safety reasons) after racing starts for the season is never a good idea. It's always going to hurt some and help others, which is generally better left to the off season so everyone knows what to expect when the season starts.
 
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t.nie I can't argue the fact that you are correct about what my services do, and at the end of the day all I'm doing is fixing what the manufacturer messed up. I seem to get the sense that most of you think I'm working for Hoosier and that I'm happy with how expensive tires are, I'm not. I'm no different than any other specialist in this sport, we work with the product we are given. Please don't generalize what I do the way you did t.nie because I take that as a huge insult, because there's much more to tires than the way you explained.
 
i'd like to see an H only rule, and grooving and siping be OK. I dont know how many RR tires most guys carry but I usually have 3 or 4. it would be nice to have a spare RF, RR and left side and that is about it
 
I agree we shouldn't have to do anything to the tire from Hoosier but the reality is there are gains to make. It's Hoosiers fault not the guy doing the work.
 
there are countless companies out there that make custom valve shocks, carbs, modify misc parts, or offer consulting services. what nick does is no different.
 
hello--just your local SOB again (senile old boy) let the As tires be run in the B-mod class after the announced date-any corrnor cept the right rear--that would open up a cheaper path for that class (supozed to be a econome class -ya right)as used As are a bit hard to find----------------this is JMO
 
I credit nick for cornering an untapped market and using it to make a living. But these tires are flat out crap. Do all the research and development you want, its still polishing a turd. But kudos to the guy thats able to convince ppl they need their turds polished lol.

On another note, everyone watch these new a and h tires. Bet you dollars to donuts these tires dont have the same characteristics of the old ones. Hoosier is still seeing dollar signs. This is just anothet way of the monopoly making money. I very seriously doubt the tires we will be buying this year are the same formulation as years past.

The only ones that make a small fortune in racing are the ones that have a big fortune. Schrader told me that once. Food for thought
 
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