Good article about tires....

Bleed Blue

Let me get this straight

You dont know the complete chemical makeup of your product
but there is nothing on the banned list

Do I have your statement correct

Also as a distributor You are required by Federal Law to have the chemical MSDS
on your premises

Any company who sells,uses or ships Hazardous Material is required by Federal Law
to have a COMPLETE msds sheet for inspection at their premises

Now you are trying to tell us you are breaking a Federal law
 
I do not have to have a full chemical break down MSDS on person in my shop. It is filed with Chemtrek and all they have to do is call that number to get the information they need. As long as it's labeled the correct way and it's on file with Chemtrek I'm legal. Do some homework please and you will know exactly what I'm talking about.

Now if I had a certain quanity on person then that wouldn't be the case, but there is never that much on hand at my shop.
 
bleed_blue16 said:
I don't know the full list of chemical in the product. What I do know is that it is made my ATTL(Track Tac) and that company is open to inspection at anytime by the EPA, OSHA, and DEA. Nothing is on a ban list and nothing causes cancer. There are products made by other companies that do, but not this one and that is why I deal with them. If you want a full break down of any product I sell then like I said before call Chris or Randy and see if they will give it to you. I know they will give you the handling/shipping MSDS, but good luck from there.
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I dont really know for sure but cant believe you are not required to have a msds sheet for every chemical you use or sell. We have to had to have one for everything and thats for bricklaying !! We had a binder 3 inches thick to lay brick and you dont need anything not sure about that one.
 
tnlprt said:
Bleed Blue

Any company who sells,uses or ships Hazardous Material is required by Federal Law
to have a COMPLETE msds sheet for inspection at their premises

Now you are trying to tell us you are breaking a Federal law
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If you would listen to what Nick has to say you would understand. The chemicals that are in his prep ARE NOT HAZARDOUS.

Im not sure why half of you people are in the argument, obviously you are just fans not racers.
 
And in bleedblues own words

bleed_blue16
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I would be more than happy to provide you with the MSDS when you buy the product from me, what you decide to do with that info is up to you. The MSDS does not list the materials used to make the product. The MSDS provides you the proper info to use, dispose of, and actions taken in case of a spill.

The EPA has no problem with people like me. I use and dispose of everything properly, I pay my taxes on the products I sell, and I don't sell anything that's against the law. If for some reason they decided to make what I sell illegal then I would stop selling it and come up with something new. I've taken the proper precautions and nothing I do or provide at this point is against any law in my state or any other(except California, a couple I can't sell in that state).


More double talk


And yes every Business is required by law to have the MSDS sheet on the premises for all chemicals on the property

Whether the chemicals are manufactured or consumed on the property

Bleed blue I have done my homework
I have over 30 years in the manufacturing,distribution and transportation of Hazardous materials

You keep bring up Chemtrec

by law you are required to have someone on call 24/7/365

Chemtrec charges you a fee to man the phones 24/7/365

They only have the information that you send them

The federal gov sets the standards on reportable spill amounts

the area to evacuated ,what fire fighting methods and so forth

Chemtrec is nothing more than a 911 operator for Haz mat spills

Plain and simple



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And Chemtrek is the one that will determine what actions they need to take to handle the situation at hand. They have our paperwork(detailed MSDS), I have the handling/shipping MSDS on hand. This is the way I was instructed to handle what I have. Like I said before if you feel it's incorrect then contact Track Tac and correct them, my guess would be they will correct you though.
 
jdearing said:
It is illegal in UMP and all major sanctioning bodies of dirt track racing!

Until I see a full list of chemicals used, I will never believe anything that is harsh enough to change the properties of tires is completely "safe". Those who do it sure wear plenty of protection to keep it from getting on them.
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Mr Dearing,
You are correct, there is no such thing as a safe chemical. But also there are chemicals that are safer than others. There are some really nasty chemicals that are used in some homebrew tire preps, but all those chemicals can be bought at any of your local hardware stores. A lot of people have no idea how dangerous those chemicals really are. The founder of our company is not a racer, he is a chemist. One of his major goals in the racing industry is to teach chemical safety and make people aware of the dangers of commonly used chemicals. We work very hard to provide racers with safer products and make sure we are not using anything that can be harmful to ones health. The karting industry welcomed the idea of safer chemicals with open arms and now Track Tac is the largest treatment manufacturer period. We use expensive, exotic oils instead of your typical solvents. Nicks prep is less dangerous to you and your family then most of the cleaning supplies you have in your home. I understand the point about cheating and i dont condone cheating, I dont cheat and I dont expect others to neither. There are still a lot of tracks that let you prep and thats the only people I care to sell to. I would like to explain to you guys that tire treatment does not have to be a bad thing, it can help save the local racers money in the long run with out all the health issues. If you have any questions feel free to call me anytime 336-474-3500 or my cell is 336-345-0445.

Thank you,
Chris Harris
 
Why is it that Nick and Chris is always defending there illegal tire chemicals. People who always have to defend themselves have something to hide. I guess we will never know with these 2 idiots.
 
I have been reading all the articles about tire treating. This is just my thoughts.

I have never met bleed_blue 16. Could not pick him out of a group of two. What I see is a man that has a business. Race car drivers choose to purchase his products and use his services. If what he sells is legal to sell and if his services are legal, (legal by law) then he has all right to do so. The drivers that choose to use his products or his services in an illegal manner, do so on their own accord. He is not giving dirt racing a bad name, it is the ones who choose to use his stuff in an illegal manner.

As far as health issues of chemicals. Their is no guarantee that a well tested product that is supposed to be safe, won't cause some kind of heath issues when it comes in contact with other materals. No product can or ever will be able to be tested on ever substance. It is impossible to do. Many different strains of diseases and health hazards have came out of no where by two unknown factors combining and changing their chemical structure.

We all know that cheating has been going on in ever kinda of competition for years. Dirt racing has been hit by the tire issues of late. There are other things you can point out. What about the diver that runs through the mud to kick up some on the car to ensure weight. The car should be at the proper weight before it hits the track. The rules say that car car must weight 2300 lbs. and any weight(s) must be securely attached to the frame below the body decking. Mud is not securely attached. What about when a drive pulls a plug wire to help retard the motor. Probably not done near as much today as in years past. Most rules state a number the number of cylinders you are supposed to have for the class you are running in. If you are supposed to have that many cylinders and you pull a plug wire, you do not have the correct number of cylinders to run with. This is from 2011 Dirtcars rule book: 15.7.1 – Overall Appearance: A.) The car must be neat in appearance and must display the car number of the front nose and the rear fuel cell. How many cars have you seen hit the track that would not be considered NEAT in appearance. So they should be by all rights illegal and if they race are they cheating? (I personally love the new race cars as much as the biggest beat up pile you can find). As silly as some of the things I have listed to big things, there are things you can point out that can be considered illegal and could be considered cheating. People will break the rules and cheat. That is there discision.

The whole point here is we are hurting dirt racing by all the negative and constant bashing of idividuals and tracks and negative press. Take a look at the Kloos issue. JUST PICKED THIS ISSUE BECAUSE IT IS HOT RIGHT NOW. NOT TAKING SIDES. He got caught with illegal tires. Where they really illegal? I do not know and not really my concern. The Gerstners put out a statement. Ok, they told there side. To a new person to dirt racing that gets on the boards and sees 45 post about the Gerstners statement or 89 post about Kloos tires found illegal are immediatly going to think that they are the biggest cheaters of all times. No one will ever know what the truth really is, but the constant bashing is not helping anything or anyone. Bashing one of the STL local race tracks and the promotors descision on something is not helping. Yes we are wanting the most for our money, but we always do not know what the promotor is going through. Tracks are closing all the time and people are selling out and quitting racing. Some say its the economy, and I can agree that, that has had a lot to do with it. But more than one time I have heard people say that they have had enough of all the crap and they are done. Some even stop going to a track because they did not like a call the flag man made. Is that really helping anything?

I have been around dirt racing for many years now as an owner and spectator. I feel very fortunate to have race tracks that I can go to and see some racing, and I do almost everyweekend of the year. My biggest concern is are we really helping keep the sport alive with all this negative posting and bad mouthing or are we hurting and potentially killing this sport we love. It is easy to get a on a faceless board and post things, get mean and ugly, but are you really helping anything. We are fortunate now but will the dirt racing fans and furture drivers of tomorrow have the same fortune?
 
Im not understanding your deal. You call me an idiot because you cant get a grasp on the discussion. You probably know nothing about chemicals or racing, you must of had your teeth kicked in too many times by real racers that understand what it takes to be fast. This is why your an EX RACER. I guess if I am wrong I made the wrong assumption, kind of like you assuming Im an idiot.
 
SalukiDawg said:
I have been reading all the articles about tire treating. This is just my thoughts.

I have never met bleed_blue 16. Could not pick him out of a group of two. What I see is a man that has a business. Race car drivers choose to purchase his products and use his services. If what he sells is legal to sell and if his services are legal, (legal by law) then he has all right to do so. The drivers that choose to use his products or his services in an illegal manner, do so on their own accord. He is not giving dirt racing a bad name, it is the ones who choose to use his stuff in an illegal manner.

As far as health issues of chemicals. Their is no guarantee that a well tested product that is supposed to be safe, won't cause some kind of heath issues when it comes in contact with other materals. No product can or ever will be able to be tested on ever substance. It is impossible to do. Many different strains of diseases and health hazards have came out of no where by two unknown factors combining and changing their chemical structure.

We all know that cheating has been going on in ever kinda of competition for years. Dirt racing has been hit by the tire issues of late. There are other things you can point out. What about the diver that runs through the mud to kick up some on the car to ensure weight. The car should be at the proper weight before it hits the track. The rules say that car car must weight 2300 lbs. and any weight(s) must be securely attached to the frame below the body decking. Mud is not securely attached. What about when a drive pulls a plug wire to help retard the motor. Probably not done near as much today as in years past. Most rules state a number the number of cylinders you are supposed to have for the class you are running in. If you are supposed to have that many cylinders and you pull a plug wire, you do not have the correct number of cylinders to run with. This is from 2011 Dirtcars rule book: 15.7.1 – Overall Appearance: A.) The car must be neat in appearance and must display the car number of the front nose and the rear fuel cell. How many cars have you seen hit the track that would not be considered NEAT in appearance. So they should be by all rights illegal and if they race are they cheating? (I personally love the new race cars as much as the biggest beat up pile you can find). As silly as some of the things I have listed to big things, there are things you can point out that can be considered illegal and could be considered cheating. People will break the rules and cheat. That is there discision.

The whole point here is we are hurting dirt racing by all the negative and constant bashing of idividuals and tracks and negative press. Take a look at the Kloos issue. JUST PICKED THIS ISSUE BECAUSE IT IS HOT RIGHT NOW. NOT TAKING SIDES. He got caught with illegal tires. Where they really illegal? I do not know and not really my concern. The Gerstners put out a statement. Ok, they told there side. To a new person to dirt racing that gets on the boards and sees 45 post about the Gerstners statement or 89 post about Kloos tires found illegal are immediatly going to think that they are the biggest cheaters of all times. No one will ever know what the truth really is, but the constant bashing is not helping anything or anyone. Bashing one of the STL local race tracks and the promotors descision on something is not helping. Yes we are wanting the most for our money, but we always do not know what the promotor is going through. Tracks are closing all the time and people are selling out and quitting racing. Some say its the economy, and I can agree that, that has had a lot to do with it. But more than one time I have heard people say that they have had enough of all the crap and they are done. Some even stop going to a track because they did not like a call the flag man made. Is that really helping anything?

I have been around dirt racing for many years now as an owner and spectator. I feel very fortunate to have race tracks that I can go to and see some racing, and I do almost everyweekend of the year. My biggest concern is are we really helping keep the sport alive with all this negative posting and bad mouthing or are we hurting and potentially killing this sport we love. It is easy to get a on a faceless board and post things, get mean and ugly, but are you really helping anything. We are fortunate now but will the dirt racing fans and furture drivers of tomorrow have the same fortune?
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Very good post
 
real racing fan said:
Here's another article I found that has a comment from a unidentified racer that ended up with health issues...

http://www.powerperformancenews.com/uncategorized/over-prepared-the-great-tire-prep-debate/
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Without a doubt there are SERIOUS side effects to some, if not the majority of tire treatments out there. Most of these dangerous chemical mixes are home-brews that can be obtained at hardware stores or local paint stores. There are other chemicals that are still being used like creosote and goatpee, which are biproducts that people figured out produce bite.

I have side effects from my kart days. I see a doctor once a month from the side effects that I have, one of the worst right now is the anxiety I deal with on a daily basis. I don't have cancer right now, but it's something they look for regularly because they know my past and what I used during that time. This is something I don't want anyone to have to go through, I know how it feels to deal with these side effects and believe me it's hell.

This is why when I learned more about Randy Ransom and Track Tac I called. Everything he does is on the "safer" end of tire treating. I don't have to worry about the side effects anymore with his products because they are not hazardous and contain zero VOC. Do I wear gloves and a mask? Yes I do out of respect for the chemical. Yes I make money from what I do, but these guys will use prep whether I'm here or not, I'm just trying to offer a product that's safer and will make tires last longer.

I know it's still against the rules.
 
Chris I quit cuz of cheaters like you. I feel that if you cant win the right way then why race against someone who cheats. You are selling a product that is 100% illegal to have on your tires. If it was in the motor it would be the same way illegal. Shame on you selling illegal product. Might as well sell drugs to its just about the samething dont ya think. If you sold illegal drugs you would go to jail. It goes the same way here its ILLEGAL. And I do hope someday it does come to where it isnt but for now it is. Its people like you and Nick that is giving the sport that we all love a BAD NAME. CHEATERS!!!!!!
 
ExRacer said:
Why is it that Nick and Chris is always defending there illegal tire chemicals. People who always have to defend themselves have something to hide. I guess we will never know with these 2 idiots.
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Do you read the other post? Chris said he isnt trying to sell anything to people that arnt allowed to use it. Just because it is illegal in dirt track racing it isnt illegal in kart racing. And this site isnt just for dirt track racing, its for all stl area auto racing. People that race karts get on this site to, and nick and chris have to make a living. They arnt forcing anyone to use there stuff. The racer that uses them are the ones that are deciding to cheat.

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4racer said:
Do you read the other post? Chris said he isnt trying to sell anything to people that arnt allowed to use it. Just because it is illegal in dirt track racing it isnt illegal in kart racing. And this site isnt just for dirt track racing, its for all stl area auto racing. People that race karts get on this site to, and nick and chris have to make a living. They arnt forcing anyone to use there stuff. The racer that uses them are the ones that are deciding to cheat.
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He is not the angel he paints a self portrait of, or who you make him out to be. I'm not sure if he is the owner, part owner, or just a rep with Trac-Tac. Don't really care....But Trac-Tac is manufacturing (according to Bleedblue) a tire prep that is formulated especially for Dirt Track Racing and also formulated to be "undetectable". Chris, Nick and the rest of the good time gang either have ownership, works for, or are affiliates of Trac-Tac. If they are not condoning cheating, I don't know who is. Chris saying he doesn't condone cheating is just flat out B.S. Snake Oil Salesmen are very good at talking out of both sides of their mouths to keep ahead of the law and to keep fooling the simple minded cretans who support them. Its pretty obvious who those people getting fooled are.

If you own or work for a company who openly brags about employing chemist "to stay ahead of the game" and also openly markets "undetectable" tire prep, and tire prep formulated for dirt track racing when you know it is illegal in that venue.....Guess what Butt-Wipe.....you condone cheating.
 
If you have all these health problems nowfrom tire dope of past days. Then why would you want to even be close to the stuff. Sounds like a bunch of BULL **** TO ME
 
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