Good article about tires....

kingeddy said:
He is not the angel he paints a self portrait of, or who you make him out to be. I'm not sure if he is the owner, part owner, or just a rep with Trac-Tac. Don't really care....But Trac-Tac is manufacturing (according to Bleedblue) a tire prep that is formulated especially for Dirt Track Racing and also formulated to be "undetectable". Chris, Nick and the rest of the good time gang either have ownership, works for, or are affiliates of Trac-Tac. If they are not condoning cheating, I don't know who is. Chris saying he doesn't condone cheating is just flat out B.S. Snake Oil Salesmen are very good at talking out of both sides of their mouths to keep ahead of the law and to keep fooling the simple minded cretans who support them. Its pretty obvious who those people getting fooled are.

If you own or work for a company who openly brags about employing chemist "to stay ahead of the game" and also openly markets "undetectable" tire prep, and tire prep formulated for dirt track racing when you know it is illegal in that venue.....Guess what Butt-Wipe.....you condone cheating.
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I wasnt going to post anymore but I have to correct you on your statement.

1) Every single one of our products were developed for karts except for 1. So we did not try to develop a cheater product. Besides there are a lot of tracks still allowing people to treat there stock car tires.

2) I have never said we have an undetectable product. There is no such thing as an undetectable product. Some are harder to find than others but nothing is 100% undetectable. So I dont appreciate you putting words into my mouth.

3) I do not sell snake oils, if they were snake oils you wouldnt be whining and crying about them because they wouldnt work. And also where have you seen me try to sell anything on here? We have 15 different tire treatments and I have not mentioned a single one.

4) Why would I have to worry about staying above the law? Everything we do is 100% legal and by the book. We are a chemical plant that has been around for over 100 years. We make everything from tire treatments, specialty textile chemicals, detergents to products that are used in making the nomex suits. We are a large facility that has a good name in the textile as well as the racing industry. We are not your fly by night snake oil producer.

So how about this... You sell the best fried chicken in the country and Ill sell the cheapest way to pick up 2 tenths on a racetrack. I wont tell you how your running up peoples cholesterol and tearing families apart because of people dying from clogged arteries and you dont tell me haw bad Im killing racing and racers.
 
4racer said:
Do you read the other post? Chris said he isnt trying to sell anything to people that arnt allowed to use it. Just because it is illegal in dirt track racing it isnt illegal in kart racing. And this site isnt just for dirt track racing, its for all stl area auto racing. People that race karts get on this site to, and nick and chris have to make a living. They arnt forcing anyone to use there stuff. The racer that uses them are the ones that are deciding to cheat.

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We are NOT talking about Karts here. We are talking about making something thats is NOT permitted in Dirt Racing. Karts can do what they want. UMP and WoO said it isnt allowed. So why even get on here and tell people that you make a tire treatment that isnt allowed? All they want is $$$$$$$$$$$$$ and dont care if someone gets caught like Kloos did. I have been fan of Michael's for a long time and I will still be even tho he did cheat. I like the way he drives his ride. There a few others I am sure that do cheat that I feel the same way about. I dont go to the races to much anymore cuz of health reasons. That is 1 reason I had to quit racing. 2 heart attacks and a stroke will do that to ya.
 
Track-Tac Products said:
Every single one of our products were developed for karts except for 1.
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I don't care if its 1 or 100 products. The fact is you still developed it for dirt track racing and it is marketed towards that venue. Name me one Dirt Track Sanctioning Body that allows tire prepping for each of the States you allow this product to be sold into. Does MO or IL have such a sanctioning body? Do you have an affiliate in IL?

Track-Tac Products said:
I have never said we have an undetectable product. There is no such thing as an undetectable product. Some are harder to find than others but nothing is 100% undetectable. So I dont appreciate you putting words into my mouth..
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I never said that YOU said it, and I never said it was 100% undetectable. Go back and read, my words "(according to BleedBlue)". Now who is putting words into someones mouth? And I could care less what you do or don"t appreciate. The vast majority of us don't appreciate you! But let me ask you this, Mr. I don't condone cheating. Have you addressed the issue with your local affiliate and all of the other affiliates you have, and specifically told them "Do not market this product as undetectable in any way, shape or form?" Have you instructed them cease marketing and networking at tracks who's sanctioning body does not allow its use?

Track-Tac Products said:
I do not sell snake oils, if they were snake oils you wouldnt be whining and crying about them because they wouldnt work.
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Never said you sold snake oil either. It was an analogy that equates what you are doing to that of a common scumbag crook. Which is selling product (or owning a company that allows the marketing of) to members of a sanctioning body for illegal use according to their bylaws, then talking out of another side of your mouth and saying you don't condone cheating. Maybe elixir salesman would have been a better analogy. But you do have an affiliate who markets it as "undetectable by the sniffer" and who also states "I can help you beat a failed lab test".

Track-Tac Products said:
Why would I have to worry about staying above the law?.
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Sanctioning Bodies and their labs dumbazz.


All of this rebuttal that you wrote and not once did you defend your "I don't condone cheating" stance. I guess that proves my point about talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Track-Tac Products said:
I wasnt going to post anymore
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Good, get the hell out of here. We don't want you on our board.

 
So by your assumptions any company that sells 6 inch rods and dome pistons are making illegal parts because they are not allowed in street stock. You better get on Eagle, JE, and a hundred other company's *****es and tell them to stop doing this otherwise this class will get out of control. That was sarcasm by the way and anyone with common sense knows that. This guy makes a product available, he is not forcing the racers to buy it. He is not the cheater, the drivers who elect to purchase said product are. Using your logic if someone buys your chicken on a regular basis raises their cholesterol and has a heart-attack you can be charged with murder for knowingly selling the product to him. It's the end user who makes the call to use the product not the sales man.
 
No, my logic is not the same. When it is illegal for people to eat high cholesterol foods, I will stop selling it. That is the difference. These guys are out here networking and marketing into a sanctioning body where prepping is illegal. That is my problem with them.
 
King,

If someone came into your coupe and told you he was buying the fried chicken to sneak into the movie theatre, would you still sell him your product? You know it's not allowed, but is it your decision?
 
bleed_blue16 said:
King,

If someone came into your coupe and told you he was buying the fried chicken to sneak into the movie theatre, would you still sell him your product? You know it's not allowed, but is it your decision?
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Sure I would, if I didn't know it was against the theatre rules. And if the manager called and told me what the person was doing, I probably would sell it to him again but then I would call the theatre and tell them guess what...hes headed your way again with chicken in hand. I wouldn't offer to wrap it in a hermedically sealed container, or disguise it as a shoe and say here ya go, sneak in again. Nor would I stand outside the theatre and hawk my covert services. Because morally and ethically that would be wrong.

See, thats the difference...You guys are knowingly selling this crap to people who are using it to cheat with. Even going to the point of manufacturing one that is undetectable (by the sniffers) and offering to help customers beat the system. You are even networking at the racetracks.


My morals and ethics are worth more to me than anythinig money can buy. I would rather starve to death than loose them. You obviously weren't brought up with any because yours are equivalent to those of the crookedist politician in Washington. You've already sold your soul to the devil once by cheating up tires in kart racing years ago, and your now paying the price with health issues. Wonder when the next hammer is going to fall on you?
 
This "Tiregate" situation is probably being used right now, by smart race teams to deflect attention from other rules violations, that they can use to their advantage...(adjustable shocks/suspensions,funky fuel,etc.)Just a thought????? :)
 
King Eddy,

I know you think we are making preps to pass the new sniffers and lab tests and were constantly working on ways to beat the system. I would like you to know our preps people use in stock car racing have been out longer than youve even been a member of this forum. Those products were developed when there was no such thing as a sniffer or lab tests, none of the sanctioning bodies were even checking tires. I know you think this is all something new but its not its old chemistry. If we wanted to make something that couldnt be caught we would. When someone places an order through our internet store or our order department nobody questions them on what they race or where they race. Half of the people have a cousin or friend place the order so it cant be traced back to them. We have never pushed the prep in stock cars, we do a lot of advertising and give back to karting. We have never advertised for stock cars nor been at the tracks pushing product. I think I would do a little research before I started bashing people. We have worked hard to build a good reputation in the racing industry and people like you try to tear it down with out any knowledge of the situation. We arent selling some hardware store blend of chemicals. We sell a full line of top quality PATENTED tire treatments!
 
kingeddy said:
Sure I would, if I didn't know it was against the theatre rules. And if the manager called and told me what the person was doing, I probably would sell it to him again but then I would call the theatre and tell them guess what...hes headed your way again with chicken in hand. I wouldn't offer to wrap it in a hermedically sealed container, or disguise it as a shoe and say here ya go, sneak in again. Nor would I stand outside the theatre and hawk my covert services. Because morally and ethically that would be wrong.

See, thats the difference...You guys are knowingly selling this crap to people who are using it to cheat with. Even going to the point of manufacturing one that is undetectable (by the sniffers) and offering to help customers beat the system. You are even networking at the racetracks.


My morals and ethics are worth more to me than anythinig money can buy. I would rather starve to death than loose them. You obviously weren't brought up with any because yours are equivalent to those of the crookedist politician in Washington. You've already sold your sole to the devil once by cheating up tires in kart racing years ago, and your now paying the price with health issues. Wonder when the next hammer is going to fall on you?
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Yet what you sell causes HEALTH ISSUES! Really? You keep going down this road and you do the SAME THING. Your product KILLS people. High cholesterol, fatty content, etc... Sounds stupid doesn't it? So does what you keep trying to say about these tire guys. Quit already!
 
tomcat5402 said:
Why is it we went from tires to chicken?
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I'd hope you would be able to get the point. He keeps slandering a guy for his LEGAL business stating he is immoral and attacking his character. I don't even know Nick and I think it's ludacris. He said that his business is harmful, etc. Nick's business is scrutinized by the EPA. If he were attempting to conduct an illegal business we would know about it! SOME of his products are illegal in CERTAIN sanctioning bodies. Some of his services are legal in ALL sanctioning bodies. King Eddy has stated that anyone who associates themself with him is a cheater. That's slander and untrue. It's just gotten to the point of stupid and if I were Nick I'd have a real problem with it. It's ok to disagree with some of the things he does, but you're not making valid points. His product obviously doesn't cause harm unless used improperly JUST LIKE MANY THINGS in our society. Just like his chicken for instance. He's not selling heroin here. I understand you may not like the tire dope, so don't use it! No one said you had to. If you don't like others using it, then take it up with the 50% plus drivers that are. Go for it! He doesn't force them to buy it, but he does offer a LEGAL legitimate product.
 
This trac tac guy keeps saying they don't advertise to dirt racers, he needs to go back and reread Mr. Gieseking's older posts, then he would see that they DO advertise to dirt racers.
Maybe then he might understand why people are so upset with him!!!!
 
Nick and I are not the same person. He has his own business(Crown Cuts). We are 15 hours away from each other. He does not sell Track Tac Products he sells his own. When I say I am not advertising it has nothing to do with what Nick does or what he has done. We have never even met, I dont understand why you think we are the same person. We make prep for him and thats it, the way he markets or advertises his business has nothing to do with us.
 
Track Tac can recommend how they would advertise, how they would maintain a certain tire with what product on it, how their application process would be, or anything in-between. I've not always done those things exactly the way they would, especially lately with application to the tire. Whatever you have against me has nothing to do with Track Tac other than the fact that is the manufacturer, nothing more.
 
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