Granite City Post Race Tech?

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13racefan

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Could someone tell me what Post Race Tech was done at the CARS Nationals Please???????? Just Curious!

Thanks
Scott
 
tech?

And what is supposed to be accomplished by doing those items?

How is the carb even a tech item if you can run any size you wish?

RR tire? Did they punch them for a reading, if so what should/did they read?

Just asking as those items would seem to be a waste of time...unless there are power secrets there that I don't know about.

Stick
 
Below is what I pulled off the CARS website for the Carburetor specs and Tire Specs. I tried to find a reading for the tires on the Hoosier site, but could not located one. As far as the valve springs, I know that you are to replace them every 12 - 15 nights, but I have heard alot about "cheater" springs being used down south.

5.4. CARBURETORS
Any 750 CFM Carb or smaller. Must have 1 11/16th base plate maximum. No exceptions.(measured with go/no-go gauge)
1” (one inch) Spacer maximum on Crate Engines. 1” is measured top to bottom of spacer including any gaskets that are between any parts of spacer on 2 piece spacers.
Please take time to check your plate. It is your responsibility to make sure its right. It is the Series responsibility to make sure its legal.
Spacer must not be more than 1” at any point. Not just around the edges
No spacer may protrude into intake.
One gasket allowed on top from carb to spacer. One gasket allowed from bottom of carb to intake.
Legal gaskets are standard gaskets only. (Completely up to the discretion of Official)
Two throttle springs strongly recommended!!
billet base plates may be used but cannot be taller than standard Holley base plate. (.570 maximum)

8. TIRES & WHEELS
8.1. Hoosier Racing Tire WRS-2-55 only. No grooving or siping allowed. Must meet minimum durometer requirements.

8.2. A C.A.R.S. official can confiscate any tire at any time and at any C.A.R.S. track to be evaluated and checked with a tire durometer. Tires that are found to be legal will be returned within a reasonable period of time. Tires that are found to be questionable will be sent to the manufacturer for testing. If the tire is deemed to be illegal, the competitor will lose all accumulated points and may risk suspension from all C.A.R.S. events pending the determination of C.A.R.S. management.

8.3. There will be no defacing or altering of the manufacturer’s identification markings on any tire. You may not remove any letters, words or numbers that would identify the tire. Any alteration of tires may result in immediate suspension from all C.A.R.S.
racetracks and penalties deemed appropriate by C.A.R.S. No tire softeners of any kind or pre-heating of tires will be permitted!


 
There are some carb rules
8.4. CARBURETORS

Any 750 CFM Carb or smaller. Must have 1 11/16th base plate maximum. No exceptions.(measured with go/no-go gauge)

1” (one inch) Spacer maximum on Crate Engines. 1” is measured top to bottom of spacer including any gaskets that are between any parts of spacer on 2 piece spacers.

Please take time to check your plate. It is your responsibility to make sure its right. It is the Series responsibility to make sure its legal.

Spacer must not be more than 1” at any point. Not just around the edges

No spacer may protrude into intake.

One gasket allowed on top from carb to spacer. One gasket allowed from bottom of carb to intake.

Legal gaskets are standard gaskets only. (Completely up to the discretion of Official)

Two throttle springs strongly recommended!!

billet base plates may be used but cannot be taller than standard Holley base plate. (.570 maximum)
 
huh?

"If one of the top cars would have asked for a different type of inspection, Sean would have been more than happy to do so."

So, if I ran in the "top cars" I get to choose what I wanted tech'd?

I choose Lug nuts and air cleaners...WTF? The question was why tech those three particular items... why not all tires, PNG - or engine guage, Cam Doctor, etc...

I was just wandering the reasoning behind what they did check.

And in no way did I ever try to misconstrue this as saying anyone was cheating.

STICK
 
The engine is checked that it is a sealed 602 or 604.

The inspection program should make most feel they have a fair chance. As you state there are some non-invasive checks that could be made but it seems that a seal check is enough and the next step is engine teardown.

I believe the Tech guys would check for any of the rules (length, width, height, ect) just for asking. If you think someone's lugnuts or air cleaner needs checked just ask him to do so. Chances are he already has and can tell you right there that they are good.

The CARS people make themselves available so don't be afraid to call them and tell them what they can do to help you feel that you have a fair chance.
 
no need for a tear down

All they would have to do is pull a motor and put it on a dyno. If is suppose to make 400hp +- a pre set % and you dyno it and it is making 450hp you know it is probably not legal then you tear it down and look into it more.
 
The beauty of crate motors, if you like that sort of thing, is that the motors are sealed. Making valve springs,carbs and spacers and such the thing to tech. I have been told that if somebody starts to dominate, they confiscate their motor and tear it down further. Have to check with the sanctioning body on that one.
 
Everybody forgets, that a good handling car in the crate class is more important then anything, if you dont handle you'll get passed in this class.
 
Only after they give you a 2wk notice that you will be claimed.Hell if ya talk to them rite.They may even have THIER GM REBUILD guy RE-BUILD it for you!!!! SEALED MY AZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:
pwracing said:
The beauty of crate motors, if you like that sort of thing, is that the motors are sealed. Making valve springs,carbs and spacers and such the thing to tech. I have been told that if somebody starts to dominate, they confiscate their motor and tear it down further. Have to check with the sanctioning body on that one.
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In the south they check compression with a whistler. My best motor checked at 9.7 average and my other one 9.4, anything over 9.9 gets dq'd. They also check for illegal 1.6 rockers which will add 40hp. They also pull headers off to look for exhaust porting. If they find anything illegal they keep the engine. The seals are easily purchased. My motors also have a nascar seal leaded on as well as the original seals and people are having them copied. Also some engine places hone the cylinders and put oversize rings in it. I don't know what they do about it or how much tolerance is allowed. They allow us to shim the valve springs to anything we want, saying it actualy robs HP by doing so. Bopper
 
bolo,

I didn't hear about the two week notice. Could you collaborate this. But I did hear that after one guy was claimed the second half of his season was much less impressive than his first.

I don't understand what you mean by "SEALED MY AZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" . Could you elaborate. You starting to sound like you might be happier in a different class of racing.
 
Just an observation

To the small minority that are complainig here I ask you this. Are you accusing someone of cheating? Or are you just that bored and have nothing better to do so you are trying to get a little run on this message board? Which is it? My guess is that you're bored. :rolleyes:
 
I will not mention any names, but I do know I was told that one of the tech guys. ( Again will not mention names.) warned the guy to-be-claimed of thier intentions. I was told this myself, BEFORE they got claimed. That guy removed an eng. ( W/blow-by)none the less, to install a NEW eng. to be claimed. Now no sooner did he do this then they claimed his eng. as was mentioned. Now a friend of mine got a new eng. Turned out to have an oil leak. That's when I found out about the so-called GM rebuild guy. I could go farther than that, but will stop there. quote=wheel spinner;525732]bolo,

I didn't hear about the two week notice. Could you collaborate this. But I did hear that after one guy was claimed the second half of his season was much less impressive than his first.

I don't understand what you mean by "SEALED MY AZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" . Could you elaborate. You starting to sound like you might be happier in a different class of racing.[/quote]
 
PS to my last post>> Its not the guy that got his motor claimed that is the problem.The problem lies w/ the tech. If you think about it?? What chance does the rest of the racers have?? ( 9 out of 10 racers will cheat if given the chance.Thats what makes it so competitive.I am not saing that its rite to cheat. But ' when the guy that techs ALL the cars is helping one to cheat.What chance does the rest have??
 
Bolo what is your Problem?

You have had a raging hard-on for the 2X car all year long... They took his motor at MVN after he finished 7th. CARS then gave him a replacement motor and he came back the next week and cleaned house with it... You obviously do not like Nick... Get a new hobby and find some thing else to b!tch about...


Sorry to all that I offended...
 
What ever!! Did I say NICK?? NOPE!!! Hey I have a hypothetical ?? For the rest of the race car drivers out there>> How would you feel if you knew that the guy that handles your points fund money was to spend roughley a couple grand to get a so called " SEALED " engine rebuilt for another racer in your class and call it a test motor?? WITH OUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE!!!! How would that make you feel?? Even better than that how would you feel if you knew that another racer in your class knew that this was happening and said " I DON'T CARE BEING 2nd is OK W/ ME " How would that make you feel?? For those of you that have spent 10 - 15 grand on your car thinking you stood a chance @ $10'000.** OH and by the way Nick is a very GOOD driver and a very competitive driver.NO I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM W/ NICK. I do how ever have a problem w/ tech's that CHEAT!!! We all know that racers will cheat. Thats why we have tech's But what good is a tech when they cheat also?>? I do not care if you are my Bro. if I am teching and find you cheating. I WILL call you on it!!
Init4thedirt said:
Bolo what is your Problem?

You have had a raging hard-on for the 2X car all year long... They took his motor at MVN after he finished 7th. CARS then gave him a replacement motor and he came back the next week and cleaned house with it... You obviously do not like Nick... Get a new hobby and find some thing else to b!tch about...


Arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics...
Even if you win, you are still retarded....
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I do understand Bolo's post. It is true. Very very easy to <juice> these motors up sort of to speak and not get caught. No..im not saying everyone cheats. But i will say it is a fact you can squirt 50-60 hp more out of these motors just by monkeying around on the dyno. But..thats expensive. Most guys cannot afford that. A sealed motor can be taken apart and resealed. Is that right?? No. But the parts to do this are available. If anyone gets a rise out of people just stating the facts that these motors can be tweaked..makes you wonder if they are the ones..doing the tweaking??
 
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