Highland b mod meeting. So how did it go??

racin90

racin90

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Just wondering how it went and if any decisions were made. If they decided what night they wanted to run b mods.........rules...ect. Got 2 people i know of really interested.......unless they go the wednesday route.
 
No descisions were made! Until further notice is what was said. It was more of a meeting to show interest and sign your name. They said they will hope to have answer in 2 to 3 weeks. So stay posted.
 
Well, it was a shame they dropped the sportsman class. They were starting to get a few more cars the last month, or so!
Anyhooo.. here is my thought on running the sportsman with the B-mods.. Shoot me if ya, want I don't care!! It's my opinion and I am sticking to it! Here's the thing, it is a matter of saftey for the drivers. Worse case senario ... Mod spins out infront of sportsman, there being an obvioius weight differnce in the 2 cars, sportsman driver behind him can't stop in time and has no where to go but to hit the drivers door, 2400 pound car vs 3000 pound car. What will the result be..? I don't want to even imagine, but tell me it can't happen, because it is a very real danger. Running these 2 classes of cars together is rediculoius. I think the reason we were told that the Sportsman class was dropped was because of economics. Don't back pedal and throw us a bone and throw us in with a different class and expect us to grovel and come back with something like this proposal.
What happened to the crate class? It was pushed as a beginner class for latemodels and look what it has become, a class for the hot dogs to run both classes Lates and crates, just like I said it would.. As far as to keeping the cost down racing a crate, how is that working out for them???.. NOT!
Didn't make the meeting because we had other obligations. But would it have made anymore of a difference. I think not. We have 2 sportsmans sitting in the garage. OH NO poor us.. Nope! We were told by a very reliable source to just hold onto them, they will be the next streetsock class in a couple of years!!

Sorry for the novel!!
Momma Drew
 
Running sportsman and b-mods together is the DUMBEST thing I have ever heard of. It is not possible to make the two comparative. What happens when only 10 or fifteen b mods show up? You have taken a known quantitiy and told them to get lost without any concideration for the hardship caused to many of these sportsman teams. I know for a fact there were a few sportsman concidering running Highland next year because of the promise to get rid of the big motors. It is my opinion instead of bringing in an unknown... fix what you have... it's not that difficult, they were headed in the right direction. The sportsman class evolved to what it is for a reason... Especially when it comes to the chassis. In fact it hasn't changed much since 1995. The only thing that needed to be fixed was the motor rules. I've heard the argument "wait a few years and the street stock class will be sportsman"... that is so stupid!!! If you think something is going to evolve into something you already have why get rid of what you already have? Makes no sense! The sportsman class isn't dropping it's car count because of what it is... it's dropping because of years of neglect by the ones running the track. JMO
 
Amen Momma Drew and ExtremeRaceCars! Well said! I also think running the two classes together is ridiculous, absolutely worse than ridiculous. It's downright STUPID!

"The sportsman class isn't dropping it's car count because of what it is... it's dropping because of years of neglect by the ones running the track." Very true.
 
the only people saying its a bad idea is the ones with sportsman cars that think they cant sale them put them on racingjunk sale them an buy a used mod lets go racing to many differnt rules for sportsman cars cast iron engine 3 link 2bl carb 2600 lbs a or h tire lets race jmo
 
2600 lbs is too much. 2450 and a's only dont give them the option. run this tire and everybody is on the same thing. or run g-60's hell of alot cheaper and the price of tires is going up next year quite abit. you could take a sportsman car and make it competitive. we have turned a mod into a sportsman. why not vice versa. it definetly needs to be a three link also! if you can learn to drive a three link and not spin out every other lap with a little less hp then you can drive a 4-bar when u move up and get a little more hp
 
Thats all fine and dandy.. but are any other tracks going to pick up the B-mod class? Where is there another track within 50 miles that will run them? So that means if you want to run another track your going to have to tag onto the A-mods?
Like Dean said all that really was wrong with the Sportsman class was basically the motor rule! Get rid of the 400 plus cubic inch motors and take it back down to the 360 cubic inch rule.
 
I don't have a problem with B-mods themselves, I just find redundant classes annoying! I see no point in having two classes of the same kind of car. If you want B-mods... dump the A-mods... If you want Crate Late Models... dump the Open Late Models. What your going to get is 4 watered down classes... that is sure to draw in more fans! Pevely is doing the same thing adding pure stock... IT WILL water down the Sportsman class there, and I predict within 3 or 4 years they will struggle to have a full sportsman field. Just a few years ago the Sportsman Nationals were close to drawing 100 cars, it's days are numbered also. All I hear is "it's evolution, it happens over and over" Why can't some of these promoters grow a set and say NO, stop the cycle. They are all guilty... AARA screwed the sportsman class when they allowed camaro stubs and Highland screwed em when they wouldn't regien in the big motors. Neither one had any intrest in working together and now you see what we got! Lock the rules in for 10 years enforce them with an iron fist and see how this class grows.
 
3 link B-mods... there's a brilliant idea(please note sarcasm) Thats what we need a class with only one place to run... they'll all flock to Highland. NO other track running B-mods runs those rules. Every one I could find including the rules Tri-City uses for their specials are the same as an A-mod except you must run a 9" rearend. There are no cubic inch rules... so again are you going to track lock everyone with a 360 ci rule? So you have a choice, track lock these cars with limited rules that no one else runs... use rules that are the same at other tracks and all you have is a steel headed open motor 2 barrell modified, makes pefect sense to me(not) Your still going to have to compete with the same motors many are claiming killed the sportsman class to begin with. Are you all really that stupid? Come on Marty... the work required to turn most if not all Sportsman cars into a competitive B-mod is no where near cost effective. You might as well build a new car. And what do you really save running a b-mod over a sportsman...250 bucks tops for a nose? but you will spend twice as much on the rear suspension.
 
what these tracks need to do is make the regular modified class more affordable. i dont know if anyone else read DIRT MODIFIED magazine, but every issue i get lately has articles talking about this. read the latest issue with an article about Rex Merrit. I agree 100% with what he says. i wont type it word for word, but he pretty much says to run good at a USMTS mod show you have to have a 15-20,000 engine, and then you cant afford to race that on a regular night for regular pay and people leave their cars at home. that is why the car counts drop. when i finally get my new motor and new car done, i may race it around here a few times to get the car figured out, but i wont be able to afford to race it at belleville or highland on a regular show because they dont pay enough. the bmod class will be no different, there will be the 'haves' and the 'have nots'. the other problem is highland will have 14 supers, 12 crates, 14 a-mods, 13 b-mods, 14 bombers, 16 hornets next year.
 
dean im just saying it can be done. you wouldn't spend twice as much on rear suspension if you run a three link. weld your lower brackets on a 9" and go no birdcages and no need for trick shocks. throw some wb pro shocks on the car and it will work great. jimmy is right you need to fix the a mods too 15 -20,000 for an engine is retarded go race a late model
 
Does anyone remember when they phased out the old sportsman class to bring in the modified's? Is history repeating itself?
just saying
Tim Koch
 
SmithRacing55 said:
dean im just saying it can be done. you wouldn't spend twice as much on rear suspension if you run a three link. weld your lower brackets on a 9" and go no birdcages and no need for trick shocks. throw some wb pro shocks on the car and it will work great.
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Sounds good in theory, but like I said... choose one or the other B-mod or A-mod. If you want to lower the cost of running an A-mod, drop them and go to the B-mod w/steel head 2 barrel motor. It's just dumb to have two classes of modifieds and two classes of late models.
 
one4tk said:
Does anyone remember when they phased out the old sportsman class to bring in the modified's? Is history repeating itself?
just saying
Tim Koch
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In 1996 the modifieds replaced what were then Sportsman. In 1997 or 98 they change the then Street Stock to Sportsman. I buillt my first sportsman in 1998 and that car was still winning races last year. Yep history is repeating itself..."Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana
 
5motorsports said:
the only people saying its a bad idea is the ones with sportsman cars that think they cant sale them put them on racingjunk sale them an buy a used mod lets go racing to many differnt rules for sportsman cars cast iron engine 3 link 2bl carb 2600 lbs a or h tire lets race jmo
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Ive had my dads car on racingjunk......ebay and craigslist not to mention 4m and here. We cant sell it. Wont give it away for 800 as we were offered but would sell for a decent price. If it sold......we would get a street stock. Noway are we going to cut this car up and redo stuff to make it a b mod . Too nice of a car. Have to set motor back..........radiator...driveshaft........rescale.........ect ect so on. This is the problem. To make it a street stock you gotta move motor and radiator forward.......change upper a arms.driveshaft and linkage issues. Rescale firewall and floorpan. You ask mods to add weight........they wont because those cars were not designed to be that heavy. Dont blame them. They tried that years ago with tri city's pro stocks. Told the late model chassis runners to add weight and they said same thing. Drop weight on sportsman cars and you sacrafice strength and will have a harder time scaling it out.
 
SmithRacing55 said:
dean im just saying it can be done. you wouldn't spend twice as much on rear suspension if you run a three link. weld your lower brackets on a 9" and go no birdcages and no need for trick shocks. throw some wb pro shocks on the car and it will work great. jimmy is right you need to fix the a mods too 15 -20,000 for an engine is retarded go race a late model
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I like that idea and ive said that awhile back.......run 3 links only! 2 bbl carbs..360 motor rule. A tires only. Id run a chip rule too.....but not everyone will run an msd.
 
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