Highland Tires - Cheating???

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the problem with these tests is there is no certainty to them. There are a lot of people on here that arent real sure what they are talking about. I'm not saying that tire prepping isnt going on because it is, and its going on a lot. However, the problem with these tire test is, if you get ANYTHING on your tire its going to come back illegal. If you roll through gasoline, oil, overspray from WD40...ANYTHING gets on these tires and they will probably come back illegal, and to me that isnt fair to fine or suspend someone over something like that. Do i have the answer to stop it...no...do i wish i did...yes. I am a kart racer, and tire prep has taken over karting. There isnt much we can do about it, and i'm afraid there isnt going to be anything to stop it either. The only way would be to buy your tires at the track and not be allowed to take them back to your pit area, and we all know that isnt going to happen. JMO
 
illegal tires

its kind of funny they only check one from modifieds and one from Late Models, why not check everyone, I bet they would all come back illegal.
 
Apparently the Highland officials used the same tool to cut rubber from these guys. They didnt change blades or sterilize the tool after taking the sample from Bailey first. They took Hoffmans sample second. Both tires had the same chemicals according to lab results. The sample from Bailey had much more chemical than the Hoffman sample.

Can you say "cross contamination"?

This test was conducted by Highland and not Ump. Samples were never handled by ump.
 
Cheating tire are a lot like steroids, One might be doing it but you still haft to wheel the car. Tires no matter how they are made might get you there but if you can't wheel the car you will never get there anyway. Get over the tires already
 
kreke13 said:
Apparently the Highland officials used the same tool to cut rubber from these guys. They didnt change blades or sterilize the tool after taking the sample from Bailey first. They took Hoffmans sample second. Both tires had the same chemicals according to lab results. The sample from Bailey had much more chemical than the Hoffman sample.

Can you say "cross contamination"?

This test was conducted by Highland and not Ump. Samples were never handled by ump.
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The guy with the UMP shirt in highland took the sample. So he is not UMP? The Highland officials never touched the samples. This is a UMP issue not a Highland track issue, I guess that is why no one from the track has posted on here.
 
I agree so much with Biker and briangoodiel. I dont condone tire prep, not that I have a huge issue against it, but I completely disagree with the testing method. Theres no way to fight it, some chinese guy checks the sample when he gets around to it, if the equipment is working, and sends a piece of paper back telling you your tire doesnt match the "profile" and thats the end of it, your done.

But,, people getting on here saying "the cheater is a lowlife" and acting like there a terrorist or dope dealer or something is completly ridiculous. Theres been cheating going on in race cars for 100 years, when someone gets caught its a big laugh, the cheater ****s it up, takes the penalty, and we move on. If you can think of it, someones already tried it and eventually been caught.
 
i have a few questions maybe someone can help all this tire talk for last month and a half i am wondering if i drive out on track with freshly ground tires what am i picking up from track when tires get hot and pores in tires get opened has anyone taken a track sample. we all have our ways of mounting these tires weather its soap, wd 40, oil we have put some type of chemical there to do what we wanted it to do even cleaning tire. so i am asking how much is transfered from cheated tire to track to other tires maybe samples of track should be taken just a thought.
 
jjnil said:
The guy with the UMP shirt in highland took the sample. So he is not UMP? The Highland officials never touched the samples. This is a UMP issue not a Highland track issue, I guess that is why no one from the track has posted on here.
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I think you are misinformed. No ump involvement. Highland sent those samples to the lab. I will say it again. UMP never touched them.

I do not think it appropriate for the local tracks to conduct the tests, send off the samples etc with all the local politics. no one other than the sanctioning body should be handling matters so crucial.

People complain about not being treated fairly by promoters but we are going to allow them to police tire testing properly? There will always be questions. jMO
 
they should test every feature winners tire everynight so everyone knows ahead of time and they wont try to bend the rules and its fair for everyone thank you
 
The mentioned regulars at highland, Bailey and Hoffman, were not at the track last night. Did they get suspended, fined, or what is the reason they were not there last night. One is leading the points and the other is second in points, What gives?? Answers Please Highland!!
 
I believe that the costs of testing tires will really affect the tracks financially,therefore that is why I posted about assuming everyone does it. WE don't need another reason for a track to become a housing development. Be careful what you wish for,it may just come true! I'm telling you this off-season could get very interesting. Come January 2012,we may be making plans for a new hobby besides DIRT TRACK RACING! If Mother Nature doesn't keep the faucet off next spring,it could get ugly........ Just another guy who thinks he knows what's going on.LOL
 
dukman7 said:
i have a few questions maybe someone can help all this tire talk for last month and a half i am wondering if i drive out on track with freshly ground tires what am i picking up from track when tires get hot and pores in tires get opened has anyone taken a track sample. we all have our ways of mounting these tires weather its soap, wd 40, oil we have put some type of chemical there to do what we wanted it to do even cleaning tire. so i am asking how much is transfered from cheated tire to track to other tires maybe samples of track should be taken just a thought.
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Thats what i'm saying....ANYTHING ...i mean ANYTHING that gets on those tires will come back as illegal. If you use simple green to wash your tires off it is going to come back illegal. And if you want to get technical, just the tires being old can make them come back illegal if they are just doing a comparitive test, because the older the tires get, they dry out and some of the "natural" oils in them are depleted so therefore that could in sense make them come back illegal (if compared to another new tire) like i said before i'm not saying its right or wrong, but its definately a tough battle. So before you go talking bad about a team or driver at least know what you are talking about. And i'm sure about 80% of drivers if they have raced for any amount of time will be caught being illegal at one time or another (whether its intentional or not)
 
omg really shut up
biker6403 said:
I believe that the costs of testing tires will really affect the tracks financially,therefore that is why I posted about assuming everyone does it. WE don't need another reason for a track to become a housing development. Be careful what you wish for,it may just come true! I'm telling you this off-season could get very interesting. Come January 2012,we may be making plans for a new hobby besides DIRT TRACK RACING! If Mother Nature doesn't keep the faucet off next spring,it could get ugly........ Just another guy who thinks he knows what's going on.LOL
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So if I'm not mistaken Bailey and Hoffman both work for Mullins. If they found the same product on both tires that would lead me to believe its not the tire cutter. I'm not against tire dope however Hoffman has been on here ripping Nick apart and Kreke has had his opinion on the matter as well. How ironic!
 
I had to go through a similar situation earlier this year. Everyone needs to just keep their mouth shut until anything is declared most people dont even know what all goes into a tire test or how easy it is to have a deal turned around on you like this and screwed outta the deal. I won the first NDRA Tour race down here in North Carolina on goodyear tires. I had bought the tires the night before the race and won on them the next night. they asked me which tire i wanted them to take a sample of i just told them I dont care take it outta the left rear. They did so and sent it to the SAME lab that UMP uses which happens to be down here in NC also. Blue Ridge Lab. I was thrown out for having a chemical in my tire that is used to make Plastic Wiffle balls. I had the win taken away from me and was bashed by many people in NC but they dont have a clue what actually happened. There is over 60 or 70 records of similar situations as mine coming out of the same lab. Every dirt racer cleans their tires after a race something as small as just putting simple green on them to clean them will make your tire test come up illegal, or storing racing fuel by a tire anything this small will throw off a tire test. Nobody should be running their mouth about anything cause 90% of the time they dont actually know anything about tire tests, or the situation.

Nick Hoffman
 
The problem here is UMP's GREED!!!!

They and Hoosier and their pact to screw the racers is why this is and will be a problem forever. The palm greasing going on between the two is leading racers to do what they can to get some use out of the sh!t box tires they have to run.
The economy itself is hurting racers and racing everywhere, add on top of it a sanctioning body that's all about making as much as they can at everyone elses expense. When it went from Bob Memmer owned into the hands of greedy pricks then cooperate. It became all about the profit.

These tires they mandate are JUNK. I personally know guys who are lucky to get more than one feature out of a rr tire. But buy some treatment treat it themselves and can get 3-4 sometimes 5 out of one. That's a fact! So if you can spend a couple hundred bucks for stuff that saves you that much on your tire bill, many if not most will or are doing it. Can you actually blame them? Tire treating isn't any new thing. But has changed from not just wanting to increase your chances of winning to saving thousands of dollars if you are a serious 2-3 night a week racer racing on JUNK AZZ HOOSIER TIRES!!!!!

Car counts are through the roof everywhere as we all know. Keep running them off all they're doing is hurting the tracks. Less cars and when a fans favorite is gone they will be too.

Keep up the good work UMP!!!!

BTW..... how many racers from Highland, TCS, I55 or Belleville get a check big enough from UMP to make it worth the while to run for UMP points? I can think of only one who may cover his tire bill for the year. I'd be all for dumping their azz and their sanction and bringing in better tires.
 
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