I-55 Raceway -- the track!

So you are liking it heavy up top then correct? The big motor section? I like to see it different each week to keep the drivers on their toes . Plus it makes it an even playing field . Correct me if I am wrong.....
 
Big burms and rough tracks are not racer friendly. Let driver skill decide the outcome and not the motors.
 
With slick smooth tracks you just invite certain electronic devices in. I'd rather deal with the extra legal engine cost instead of the black market electronics cost. It's not that I like big heavy cushions. It's just that I'd like to see a fairly even surface speed-wise. The only ways I see to make Pevely that way is to either have a cushion that by feature time is just big enough to run on or to have it slicked off so far that traction control becomes an issue. Take your pick, but I'll take the heavy race tracks. If the cost is too much maybe its time to drop a class instead of ruining the dirt in all these racetracks (which high rubber contents invariably do). I'd also be wary of saying that it takes more skill to run around the middle or bottom of a track as opposed to running on the fence.

Yes dirt tracks will be extremely different from week to week depending on weather conditions. This is fine by me as long as the track is as racey as it can be. In the old days (well for me anyway the mid 80's) the family that ran Riverside, MO's track kept charts of weather coniditions and track outcomes for every night they ran the track. By about the third year they never missed. The track never slicked off, never got extremely rough (although it did have the normal heavy track bumps), and it was good from top to bottom. Had the rich people on the bluffs across the river not got it shut down it would still be one of the most entertaining tracks in the country.
 
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:D :D :D :D :D
 
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So you are saying if " WE " can't control the Traction Control that is illegal in the first place the track should be tacky and rough and we need to get a bigger motor or stay on the front porch correct? :mad:
 
my exact thoughts black ice!!!!!!:D :D :D :D let those that work with dirt work it out (BLOOMSDALE EXCAVATING) with the promoters and i promise you will see some awsome racing at I55!!! ONE FREAKIN WEEK AND ALL WE HEAR IS BLAH BLAH BLAH!! STICK WITH BEING A COMPUTER GEEK and let the people that know what they are doing with the track do thier jobs!!!! (i think they know a lil more about it than you do layne.
 
I contend that if you can't afford what it takes to race at a place like I-55 that there are other, smaller, less expensive tracks to race at in the area. And no you "can't" control traction control. The track officials are in no way smart enough to compete with the people making it. They get their jobs by being friends of the promotors or organizations that run the track and have no knowledge of advanced electronic devices. I know quite a bit about race track dirt. Excavating is a whole different ballgame. Nothing in their usual work qualifies them to control the surface of a track. Excavating means digging holes in dirt. That is an over simplification and I have no doubt that their shaping of the surface at I-55 was exactly as they had intended. It still doesn't make them experts on the effects of wear, rubber, and an extremly quick drying of dirt has on a racing surface. I have seen nothing that tells me that the people manicuring I-55 really know what they are doing. I haven't seen a track in 10 years that I thought knew what they were doing. They go out and make long shot guesses as to how they should prepare the surface. If they applied a scientific process to it things would get infinitely better, but that would require thought. That is more thought than the usual promotor reflex to sit and take in money.
 
laynejw-

Tell ya what-

Good luck Designing, Building, Promoting, Maintaining, and Improving your own track. MAYBE someone will show up. In the mean time, I'll be a Pevely.
 
hey laynejw last night was sllck b ville was slick last night and no bottom feeders or those dirty devices
 
No doubt. Last night was awesome. It built a cushion good enough to run on, but not good enough for everyone to get up on and thin out. I said in one of the above posts that if a racetrack slicks all the way off and lays considerable rubber like last night did that you can usually run all over places like Belleville and Pevely (like the Nationals last year). There is never just one way to solve a problem. I gave my way. It is still my favorite candidate solution, but for Belleville it will never fit (or better it will never happen). I like heavy race tracks, but the most important thing is that there is racing from top to bottom. I wish this stupid rain would let up so we could get to Pevely and see what they do with it this week.
 
Oh ya and I don't usually drink during the season. It will dim your wits when you piece together what is happening. I am a believer that every race teaches and important lesson. If I was burning brain cells at the track I'd never learn anything.
 
laynejw

About that scientific process comment. I dont believe West Plaines or Eldora use anything other than exprerience to prepare there tracks. You are entitled to your opinion however reality is your opinion doesnt have any facts only what you believe.
Im sure you will have a great responce to this so please include your complete resume to prove we are all wrong and you are right. thank you.
 
You aren't wrong. I would heavily disagree that West Plains has good track preparation. If you would rather have a 4 inch coat of rubber that turns it into a slickened pavement track that is your call. I've never been overly impressed with West Plains. Saturday night of the latest mod special was pretty good up until the 50 lap feature then it was pretty follow the leader. My contention was only that they would be better off using the scientific process instead of guess work. They should at least check the precipitation amounts and the amount of moisture in the air. Wind conditions would be helpful to. They would still be using their experience. Because up until you built up a good database of conditions you would still have to rely on it.
 
b viile was not black yet last night ,go to brownstown ind in august or eldora last dreamrace now that's black
 
I'm aware. West Plains gets black on occassion. I mean a real rich dark black. Tracks usually pick up speed with a huge amount of rubber on the track. Belleville couldn't have, because of the rain....
 
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