MMSP-what a joke!

Not2fast

Not2fast

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I have never seen a racetrack line guys up by points the night after the championships are already decided. Thanks for the heads up on that one!

And NO($0) tow money for a guy who destroys his car in a meaningless heat race? WTF?!?

Maybe I am being a whiney b!tch, or maybe these guys just dont have a clue.....obviously have my opinion.
 
All valid points with many people. Best is to call and be civil about it. Can't change what happened but these issues can be changed for next season if pointed out to the owners. They don't check these forums and this year was the first year for them being involved in this type of racing. About the only one that has past experience is Casey Pearson and he was just a driver. Randy handles the business and money decisions. I think tow money needs to be addressed and personally the top 5 starting up front I don't like even though I have benefited from it, at least it wasn't top 10. Been screwed by that a time or two. Too bad for getting tore up in the heat, my son's car was damaged in our heat also and didn't start the main either. We do hope you come back next year. We consider MMP our home track and know we need these issues straightened out or we will lose cars and eventually another track close to home. Please look up the number on their website and call Randy and point out what it will take to keep you traveling out here.
 
They don't check these forums??? Who are you trying to kid ? They read this sh-t but choose to be quite!!! Which all and all can be a good thing..
 
They choose to not look but there are people that do tell them. I choose to respond and so do you. We represent our opinions, someday they might but I doubt it. Although someday if they choose they may have a representative respond in some official manner. Personally I would handle these forums the way Gundaker does it. I admire how he handles it. And would like Randy to do the same but don't see it happening. Being quiet is probably the best now that's for sure. When they get more comfortable with our sport maybe that will change a bit.
 
One big thing I think would benefit the track, fans, owner/operators, etc...the powers that be to sit and make a job flow chart for all officials and drivers including a basic set of conduct rules. This standardization of expectation reduces confusion.
There's nothing inherently wrong with trying different stuff in an attempt to make Monkey City stand out from the status quo of other racetracks in this immediate area. Some of the ideas they are doing are pretty good. I like the green flag to indicate two to go in addition to the traditional white/checkers. I also really like the membership idea where they charge a one time flat fee in lieu of weekly pit passes. There's been a few idea's that didn't work out at all as well. The common theme with these idea's have been a lack of communication to fans and drivers about what they are attempting to do and what the expected result will be. I also think they don't give some things enough time to develop properly before abandoning the idea and doing something different the following week. This inconsistency gives the appearance they haven't a clue as what they are doing with the program. Under false pretenses assumptions are made, rumors fly, tempers get out of control and negative stress levels become normal. This normalization of negativity will be the ultimate demise of the facility when no one is having a good time watching, racing, or working on Saturday nights. All from a simple lack of standardized rules and regulations for officials, drivers and fans. Standardization also implies accountability so when issues and problems arise, and they always will, the issue can be dealt with quickly and effectively often without further ado. That's a benefit that's extremely important when so many people are affected so quickly.
 
All good points lizard. We plan on having a set down with them in the near future if ya got specific ideas you can pass them on to me and I can run it to them at that time, unless you plan on talking to them yourself. This year was a shocking learning experience. Now time to adjust and move up.
 
Couldn't have said it better... With several people I talk to this place has the potential to be a very successful track.When they first started posting about the place they were doing great with staying in contact with the fan base. I believe they got a taste of the ups and downs of running a place and kinda backed out of posting and staying on top!!!
 
I have a few more ideas that I'll pass along to ya via email. You make a better diplomat than I so better you pass along anything I have to add as things to consider.
 
They are preparing a better website with more info and kept up to date. And using the facebook deal with checkers or wreckers. Using a forum is not something they feels benefits them. I feel differently and I'm sure we that are on this site regularly would agree. Some in business feels it brings too much negativity and false rumors. To me I feel there is no damage done with any of it. As long as people are talking and debating the issues or opinions, all is good. Racers and fans read all the positive and negatives and realize it's all different points of view. Good bad or indifferent.
 
First off they feel they get a black eye from this site... Every track around uses it and take the good with the bad!!! Welcome to a promoters world. They will have better luck on here where all the fans look for all the information. I hear all kinds of people cussing cause they can't see wht the track results and where is some pictures. I believe Jimmy could help a bunch on these issues. They can stay away from this site all they want but the truth is 95% of the people they see will be right on here giving them the thumbs up or saying wht a ****ty job they are doing.Jmo
 
If they cant take the heat get out of the kitchen. Every track has problems and the fans will bash them for it. Fair or not its the way it is!
 
But there trying to be a step ahead of the other tracks... They came out the gate with a horse that they thought was a thoroughbred and it turned out to be a zebra !!! But don't forget about the movie Racing Stripes... The zebra with a little training and guidance came back and waxed the thoroughbreds lol
 
dirtboy,,you making me look bad,,i taught you how to be crude,rude and offencive,,now your posts are very constructive,,come on..where is the old dirtboy we all know and love....LMAO...
 
I think you have to be careful about what you put on public forums like this. Often they are filled with pissy people looking to ridicule and complain. However many people use them for information gathering too.
I think they should use this site to get the words out of upcoming changes but not participate in the "drama" of angry people.
That means posting fact's and not opinions.
 
Lizardracing said:
I think you have to be careful about what you put on public forums like this. Often they are filled with pissy people looking to ridicule and complain. However many people use them for information gathering too.
I think they should use this site to get the words out of upcoming changes but not participate in the "drama" of angry people.
That means posting fact's and not opinions.
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You are exactly right. They can control the info they release so they need to only focus on what they can control.

I'd love to hear about the street stock/sportsman rules and how they are progressing but I haven't seen anything from the track. Exposure, good or bad, is better than no exposure.
 
dirtboy said:
But there trying to be a step ahead of the other tracks... They came out the gate with a horse that they thought was a thoroughbred and it turned out to be a zebra !!! But don't forget about the movie Racing Stripes... The zebra with a little training and guidance came back and waxed the thoroughbreds lol
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OH MY GOD did you really say that? Man that was high class stuff right there. Classy I would have never thought you were that smart. Crap / wow / Holy balls of fire / NICE :)
How right you are. this place no matter how much we like or hate each other get the truth out to all the tracks and what they do with it is up to them. Kevin is the best at handling all of us and what a great job he is doing with us and his track.
Keep up the good work dirtboy
 
Dave34 said:
You are exactly right. They can control the info they release so they need to only focus on what they can control.

I'd love to hear about the street stock/sportsman rules and how they are progressing but I haven't seen anything from the track. Exposure, good or bad, is better than no exposure.
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Dave I worked on Casey for some time on this issue... Got him to give you guys a chance and you didn't show up and neither did any of the other boys. You guys coulda been racing for great money for your class. I have to give a shout out to cody Thornhill for going down and trying it. I believe Casey said from the beginning he was gonna leave the rules open at first to see wht he gets and the most cars would get ran. If 20 cars like you showed up your rules would apply. But no cars means no rules to help your class... Maybe it goes to the ol saying...if you scared to pull away from the tit just say your scared!!! I remember you saying you was gonna stick with I 55 and I don't believe they even ran you guys after that. Idk Jmo
 
If I wanted to run my SS with sportsman for $300 to win I would go to pevely because it's 5 min from home.

I talked to Casey as well along with other sportsman and street stock drivers and I knew there was going to be a lot more sportsman than street stocks. Thus making the class sportsman rules.

But....the reason i'm curious now is because I have the sportsman running and might go up there but I have no idea how much to weigh.
 
Just thoughts in my head.....I don't believe its ever a good idea to leave the responsibility up to the customer to attract other customers. The track isn't exactly a CoOp after all. Teams don't share the profits but just benefit from them indirectly by having a place to have fun at. I believe the track has the ultimate responsibility for creating an environment favorable for teams to participate in. If the agreement is made between the track personal and the teams interested in racing there then that's an entirely different matter. That would be a transaction of agreements that may be verbal or written contractually however something tells me its the business blaming the patrons for not buying the product rather then the business blaming themselves for providing a product no one wants to buy.
Something else to consider... Most business have employees and customers as separate entities. In the case of racetracks, the teams coming to compete provide the entertainment are part customer and part employee if you use the payouts as a form of compensation to attract said teams so the fans buy tickets to watch. The concessions might be thought of as additional support to the fans entertainment. If a track is going to succeed, there must exist a delicate balance of team encouragement and fan entertainment......I gotta get back to work now.
 
Lizardracing said:
Just thought in my head.....I don't believe its ever a good idea to leave the responsibility up to the customer to attract other customers. The track isn't exactly CoOp after all. Teams don't share the profits. Just benefit from indirectly by having a place to have fun at. I believe the track has the ultimate responsibility for creating an environment favorable for teams to participate in. If the agreement is made between the track personal and the teams interested in racing there then that an entirely different. That a transaction of agreement that may be verbal or written contractually however something tells me its the business blaming the patrons for not buying the product rather then the business blaming themselves for providing a product no one wants to buy.
Something to consider, most business have employees and customers as separate entities. In the case of racetracks, the teams coming to race provide the entertainment are part customer and part employee if you use the payouts as a form of compensation to attract teams so fans buy tickets to watch and the concessions might be thought of as additional support to the fans entertainment. If a track is going to succeed, there must exist a delicate balance of team encouragement and fan entertainment......I gotta get back to work now.
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I bet your on payroll ain't ya? If not they better not let you get away and give you a contract for PR man... You do have a way with words!!! You got dirtboys vote.
 
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