Official Highland Ruling

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I agree, a sample of the track soil from that night should also be included with the tire sample.
 
I agree to a point. But if we send a sample in and something out of the blue shows up.........chemist will be required to file it and notify the EPA. That would be a disaster. Ive seen this hapen in many businesses. Just like gas stations. EPA pretty much leaves them alone as long as they feel they are not doing anything stuupid on the property. But if something happens(fire...spill...or someone gets hurt)..........then game on. EPA kows what goes on at racetracks and they are not out to chop heads off. But make it an issue.........and they will gladly come forth
 
jdearing said:
I'm not sure anyone would of anticipated things like someone bringing up that the rubber seal inside the the jar used to store the tire samples might just contaminate the tire sample.. There are a lot of little nit picky things being brought up just to get away with cheating....

You are an official, I know you've seen an unintended gray area exploited in your own rule book that forced changes to be made. What is Allied's written policy on how they will test and enforce it?

And it isn't just UMP, it is all the major sanctioning bodies.... Even POWRi, who never had a tire doping rule, implemented one this past weekend when some racers were doing it openly in the pit area.
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Kart tracks one by one are following as well.
 
If my tires are found illegal I would want to make sure it did not come from the track as far fetched as that could be. I'm not a chemist to know if thats possible.
 
Oh I would have to disagree and say tire testing will be a thing of the past very soon. There are too many variables and cleaning agents or product on the track itself can compromise a legal driver. No ducks in a row will change that fact. UMP and other sanctioning bodies will pull their head out of their azz and realize these drivers deserve a better tire that lasts longer and saves money. Otherwise they will have nothing to sanction. This isn't a speed secret its a financial issue.
 
Too bad everyone is ten years too late stopping this problem,just like all the other issues concerning local racing. Bolt on some D-40's and let's go racing! BTW, the racers will have to build a special spot in the shop just to keep the tires from being contaminated.......
 
if they are going to take samples they need to take everyones. not just single out one or two people. that would stop the rumors and finger pointing to those who have been chosen. it would also prove if it was coming from the track.if it was in everyones tires how can anyone be illegal......
 
Highland isnt goin to take a sample from everbody thoe cause that means that chad zobrist would have to get checked. And you now that aint goin to happn cause hes settn there kissen there *** 24-7. If u ever got to highland just watch him in the pill draw he eithere gets a 1 or 2 it never fails. And it just so happens that the guy that has the bucket has the last name of zobrist to. Oh and when you go into the race track look at the guy that tears your ticket shirt, It says zobrist racing crue. So aint nobody guna tell me that he aint kissen there ***!!!!!!
 
racin90 said:
We for the most part didnt judge him. We questioned his practices and his product. Anyone can tell you anything......but is it what it is??Undetectable? I think not. Totally enviromentally good? That is something a chemist needs to determine.....but yet he wouldnt allow one to test his stuff. Too afraid they may get his recipe i guess. Then the wacky attitude he had on and off the track did not help. I dont care personally what he does......who preps....ect ect so on. Its ridiculous that people do it........because in the rules its against it. Black and white.....read it. Was Nick right about the testing? Maybe.....or maybe not? Who on here is a REAL chemist? I deal with alot of chemicals.....formulas....msds charts ect and i can tell you ive never seen anything undetectable and good for the enviroment that changes the product of rubber and its material status. Unless its a majical potion. If it is...needs to contact goodyears........firestone......michelin and make big dollars. Doubt this will happen.Ive got 20 plus years in chemical handling and identification............so i do know a little about what i am speaking about.
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Ok I thought I made my post clear, but I see it wasnt clear enough. My reasoning for posting wasnt to drag bleed blue back through the mud once again. It was to make light of the fact he had posted in the past about blue ridge labs and there bad testings. I said nothing about his tire preps, business or anything other than his warnings about blude ridge labs. I said it once before and will say it again take all statements into consideration and do some research before passing judgement or jumping on the internet to slam people. For sometimes people who get slammed do really have the facts straight and know what they are talking about whether you wanna hear it or not.
 
Do the math. Take 10 labs and do some research. Out of the 10 labs........10 labs will come back with results that vary. I KNOW that for a fact. Slamming 1 lab because they might have messed up wont solve the puzzle. He had an issue with them...oh let me think..oh yea because they caught one of his tires being hot. Bingo. Be my guess because he singled them out.....but yet they are not the only one used track to track. And oh by the way......anyone might realize...........blue lab wasnt the only lab used by UMP?? I had a nice convo with the lab yesterday.....nice people and yes they do know they are being slammed on the net.
 
biker6403 said:
Too bad everyone is ten years too late stopping this problem,just like all the other issues concerning local racing. Bolt on some D-40's and let's go racing! BTW, the racers will have to build a special spot in the shop just to keep the tires from being contaminated.......
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Good post.
 
To Baileyfan93:

-First of all, learn some spelling and grammar before typing on this forum, your ignorance shows right away.

-Second, Chads tires have been tested, along with Frankie Martins, after the Monster Midwest show last year (5-29-10), both drivers tire samples came back clean. If you would like to pay for the lab test, come take a sample from each of our tires, they will all come back clean. We use hot water to clean them and a chamois to dry the rims.

-Third, the "guy with the bucket" that you refer to, is either Gina Kuhn or Dee Martintoni, I don't think they would appreciate you calling them a guy. This shows how much you actually know about the pill draw. If you are interested in drawing our pill for us, make sure you are there by about 4:15 every week, and you can draw our pill for us. If you want to know, Chad drew a 29 this past saturday, started second row, and won his heat. Sue Zobrist works in the pit shack and was a secretary on the Fair board for many years, but her and Chad are not related in any way, sorry to ruin your theory.

-And lastly, the guy that collects the ticket stubs is Denny Ammann, He worked the turn 3 gait for years when SARA ran the races and for a while when Charlie Depew ran them. He gave that up, and started riding in our hauler when we would race at Godfrey, Pevely, and Haubstadt in the past. We gave him a shirt, because he has always been a family friend. A couple years ago, he lost his leg, due to health complications, and is unable to get in and out of the hauler. He works the lights at Belleville and takes ticket stubs at Highland, so that he can still be involved in the sport.

Hope that answers any of your questions/accusations, please feel free to voice your concerns to Chad or I anytime.

Thanks,
Woody
 
jdearing said:
I'm not sure anyone would of anticipated things like someone bringing up that the rubber seal inside the the jar used to store the tire samples might just contaminate the tire sample.. There are a lot of little nit picky things being brought up just to get away with cheating....

You are an official, I know you've seen an unintended gray area exploited in your own rule book that forced changes to be made. What is Allied's written policy on how they will test and enforce it?

And it isn't just UMP, it is all the major sanctioning bodies.... Even POWRi, who never had a tire doping rule, implemented one this past weekend when some racers were doing it openly in the pit area.
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Jimmy, In Hoffmans case; its not that the jar could contaminate the sample. It is that the jar was out of the possession of those taking the sample and they have no way of knowing absolutely sure where the jar has been or what it had in it before the sample was placed in it. Doesnt seem like a big deal until you or your favorite racer is found to be illegal. These tests need to be conducted in the same fashion and procedure as if you were handling a sample for a drug test or evidence for a court case. It is a big deal to the racer, his reputation, his racing (suspension) and his pocketbook. In the Bailey Hoffman case there were so many errors it wasnt even funny. How would you like your sample taken with the same tool with no sterilization or changing of the blade? How about having your sample sit in a vehicle for over two weeks only sealed by duct tape. This is pretty crappy handling for something so important.

Look back at my earlier posts. I am totally against tire doping and anyone who does it, supports it, sells it etc BUT you have to ensure that every tiny detail is covered. I will say again that this process cannot be delegated to anyone other than UMP. Testing is not going away. We all know that it is working! We will never know the numbers but there are less racers doping now than ever before and the risks are great to anyone brave enough to continue.

I am all for catching cheaters but I am more about doing it the right way. There is at least one situation here where a guy will be marked as a cheater when in fact he was screwed by a flawed process.
 
The tests should be standardized and either done by the sanctioning bodies, or have the supplies/directions issued from the sanctioning body and followed exactly. I am also for testing all tires on any night, along with the dirt, although the expense would be a huge factor.
 
i really wonder what would happen if any of you doing the posts are in business, what if all who bash the race tracks involved, what would happen if the bashers would start bashing your business or your family. would there be a law suit or would you get on here and start name calling as some of previous posts, i really look at the race fans ,racers, pit crews, track promoters and all as racving family. highland speedway for one has done a lot of chartible things and could not do that with out the racing family. think positive and be happy .
 
I LIKE FRENCH FRIES! hmmmmmm wonder whats in my french fries? I bet there is something in there makes my belly swell up for better traction.
 
racecar said:
i really wonder what would happen if any of you doing the posts are in business, what if all who bash the race tracks involved, what would happen if the bashers would start bashing your business or your family. would there be a law suit or would you get on here and start name calling as some of previous posts, i really look at the race fans ,racers, pit crews, track promoters and all as racving family. highland speedway for one has done a lot of chartible things and could not do that with out the racing family. think positive and be happy .
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As long as your facts are in order there is no risk of losing a lawsuit. If any lawsuit should be consider it would be by Dean Hoffman against those parties who leaked info and made him out to be a cheater before all the facts were known. I am not a litigious indivivdual so I would not recommend that but just saying.......
 
First of all do you guys realize that the LAST THING YOU WANT is for them to be taking samples of the dirt.....i mean listen to yourselves. All you are doing there is asking for tracks to get stut down in a heart beat. Come on people!!
 
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