Props to Allied

Ok which is it? Is it a sealed 602 crate engine, or is it a SCP built engine?

How can it be both? Especially since Mittler Bros. Is the only authorized crate rebuilder listed by allied.

And what does rust on the sealing bolts have to do with performance?
 
Please focus here. I know this is difficult for you.

I'm Dave34 and I have the crate engine.

Matt Brucato is a different person, different car and has the SCP motor.

Does this make more sense?
 
Ohh, ok I wonder why brucato jumped in then, I assumed he owned the engine that you were using.

I don't follow I55 much, as I'm not able to run there, though I'd like to, should they make weight concessions for larger engines.

I never intended for this to go where it has gone, my main point again is about having rules that cannot be policed, especially in a "budget" class.

A simple carb rule would suffice, since there's only going to be so much air to be drawn into an engine, no matter what is behind that carb. And it's cheaper to build competitive power by simply adding cubic inches than it is any other way.

No I'm not interested in your car or engine, I already have one. I really like the sportsman class, as I consider it to be real "stock car" racing, though the cost getting to the track, entry fees, tires, and race fuel are the same as any other class, but we are racing for pennies in prize money, compared to other classes.

As much as I hate to do it, if I put together another car, it'll be a modified, because the potential return is greater. And to head this one off at the pass, I'm not looking to get rich racing, however it'd be nice to actually come out ahead occaisionally, when we have a good night, instead of always costing more to race than we can possibly win.

It seems to me that the tracks really don't appreciate the fantastic show's that sportsman cars provide fans, if they did the prize money would be more in line with other classes.
 
I simply jumped in because you said something about the motor that won two weeks ago.. that being mine... as dave had said he had the smallest motor there 3 weeks ago and won... its not about hp.. its alot to do with driver and setup...
 
BRUCATO said:
I simply jumped in because you said something about the motor that won two weeks ago.. that being mine... as dave had said he had the smallest motor there 3 weeks ago and won... its not about hp.. its alot to do with driver and setup...
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I totally agree with you about setup and driver, however (and I'll admit my observations are not scientific) one has to wonder when I know what the power output is in my car, AND my car is just as fast through the middle of the corner, or faster than a car that raced Saturday night, finished dead last, but when it races against my car at a similar track, it just runs away from the pack, off the corners. That is not driver, that's motor and forward bite, of which my car has plenty of.

That particular car is claimed to be Allied legal, and my knowledge of the very restrictive rules Allied has severely limit horsepower, I'm smelling smoke.
 
It would be inappropriate for me to identify the particular car or team, without their permission to do so. I respect that team not to identify them, they know who they are and I'm sure they are following along, should they chose to identify themselves and chime in, I welcome them to the discussion, they might be able to clear some things up. Suffice to say, the car I'm talking about happen to be one that has stated to me that he agrees with my assertions about restrictive engine rules actually makes racing in this class more expensive than it's intended purpose of making it cheaper.
 
theplummer said:
No I will not put my name on this website for several reasons. 1 this is the World Wide Web for goodness sakes. 2 some on this website have a habit of posting personal info about someone they take a dislike to (see the latest MMSP thread to verify). 3 anyone whom has seen my logo on my car (for the last 10+ years) knows exactly who I am. 4 my handle is used on numerous websites throuout the web and I do want to maintain a little privacy at those sites also.

I have nothing to hide in fact I was standing right next to the car that had the rear end teched Saturday. I spoke to several of your team members and was made the same offer there to buy the roller listed above.

I've made no claims nor accused anyone of anything, have I. Dave 34 made the statement that the same car could be had for $3500 for the roller, $4000 for a crate sbc, and a carb. One that won a couple of weeks ago.

My only question is, if that's all it takes to buy a winning car, why not sell the engine that won, in the car for the money quoted to me. After all, it is a "used" engine. Why wouldn't one want to sell it for the same money as a brand new one?

For the record, I'm not singling anyone out for anything. If you go read my first post it was directed at sanctioning bodies having rules that they cannot logically tech, therefore, there's too much room to "fudge" to be competitive. Not accusing any one person of anything.

You claim not to have as much in your motor as I think, yet you didn't put a number to what you do have invested, not that I've ever asked. Nor will I.

I'll tell you that I'd love to see how my car stacks up against the front runners at Pevely, especially with the VERY restrictive engine rules that Allied has. And I'm not afraid to admit that I'm packing another 108 cubic inches over legal, as well as running a holley 850 double pumper, making well over 600 hp. I'd bet dollars to donuts that the front runners would have more engine than I do, and that seems odd given the rules laid out by allied. Especially with a 500 holley rule.

But sadly, the world will never know, unless more logical, economical rules package is adopted.

Maybe someday we could meet and "run what you brung" ;)
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what do you want a cookie your illegal have a nice day
 
theplummer said:
Ohh, ok I wonder why brucato jumped in then, I assumed he owned the engine that you were using.

I don't follow I55 much, as I'm not able to run there, though I'd like to, should they make weight concessions for larger engines.

I never intended for this to go where it has gone, my main point again is about having rules that cannot be policed, especially in a "budget" class.

A simple carb rule would suffice, since there's only going to be so much air to be drawn into an engine, no matter what is behind that carb. And it's cheaper to build competitive power by simply adding cubic inches than it is any other way.

No I'm not interested in your car or engine, I already have one. I really like the sportsman class, as I consider it to be real "stock car" racing, though the cost getting to the track, entry fees, tires, and race fuel are the same as any other class, but we are racing for pennies in prize money, compared to other classes.

As much as I hate to do it, if I put together another car, it'll be a modified, because the potential return is greater. And to head this one off at the pass, I'm not looking to get rich racing, however it'd be nice to actually come out ahead occaisionally, when we have a good night, instead of always costing more to race than we can possibly win.

It seems to me that the tracks really don't appreciate the fantastic show's that sportsman cars provide fans, if they did the prize money would be more in line with other classes.
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smaller engine dummy
 
dirt hound said:
hey the plummmer if you don't like the rules don't race there end of story
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Thank you captain obvious! I don't race at i55, simply because I will not race where I'm not legal to race, I refuse to ever be labeled a cheater.

Now should the track recognize that there are more than one way to get the job done & open their rules to allow competitive racing maybe with a weight restriction, I'll be there. All in the interest of budget competitive racing.

What ever the rule is, I'll comply, if I'm able, or I just won't be there, just like I've been doing.

It would be interesting to see how the various track rules would stack up and maybe create a little "track rivalry" to make it interesting, don't you think?
 
they've been nlike that for years guess what it won't change the sportsman class as a whole is dying no set of rules will change it
 
Obviously I55 is the track with the right rules package for Sportsman as they are the only ones that get a decent car count in them.

Just like Highland has the most restrictive rules package for b mods and have grown their class to one of the areas largest b mod class.

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Hahaha. So you're just going to whine and complain because your car isn't legal and then call people cheaters because you can't beat them.

I don't think it would be interesting at all to see a 600+ hp car compete against us. You should dominate. And if you don't it's because it doesn't handle as good as you think it does.
 
Never once did I call anyone a cheater! Don't put words in my mouth.

You may be right, my car may not handle as good as I think. All I know is on paper I should dominate but don't in reality, with the very few allied cars we've faced.

Now sometimes I have to put a two barrel on the car which does take quite a bit of hp away, somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 hp, however that's still more than a crate motor.

And about the whining, the only thing I may be whining about is that we can't even get a chance to see, now that MMSP is closed again.
 
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