RULES????????
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wild1and83fan
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The same people who have the gauge that check them now!! Carbs are checked pretty often at Tri City
DaveMcLain
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The number one thing you have to remember about carburetors especially in restricted classes like this one is that fuel curve trumps airflow and there are many carburetors out there that are very poor.
bandit1881
M. Austin #81
My point is..... guys in this class complain about the costs but go and spend $500 or more on a "stock", "gauge legal" Rochester....lol..... you will never get me to believe that a stock Rochester costs $500. And, guys want to complain about shocks and placement but they'll go and spend $150 or more each shock having them rebuilt and valved..... lightweight rotating assemblies, lightweight flywheels, lightweight clutches, low friction bearings and ball joints....... but they want to complain about the costs....... not to mention they all wanted the aftermarket uppers and aftermarket heads.....lol..... like I have said before, it's a two part blame system..... 1. Track owners and promoters for not fully enforcing their own rules package through staunch tech. When was the last time an inspection plug has been removed? When was the last time a head was pulled? A carb taken off the intake? Stroke checked? Clutches checked? Transmission checked to see if it's not cheated up? 2. Is the drivers themselves for continuing to spend more than they can afford trying to keep up with the guys spending more than them. Then complaining about the costs getting out of control. Promoters/track owners should never let drivers or car owners have a say in what the rules will be...... come up with a set of rules that will make racing better and save this class by making it affordable for entry level guys to build one. If the drivers don't like the rules.... then they can sell their current car and move up a class.... that's the way it should be anyway.....Jmo...... but what do I know, according to some people on here I'm always wrong even when I'm not.....lol...... chew on that one fellas!
bandit1881
M. Austin #81
I have no dog in this fight as I don't own or drive a street stock anymore, but I am a fan of racing and know that this class used to be fun to watch and had some of the biggest car counts at tracks...... the question is..... how do you get this class back to being affordable for new guys to build a car and become interested in racing?...... that's what needs to be discussed. Again..... just my opinion..... and don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing one specific track so don't accuse me of talking bad about TCS..... it's a lot of tracks that this is happening at......everyone wants to point the finger solely at the track and get them all pissed off when the car counts are so low right now you guys are lucky they still have the class running. Remember when the sportsman class started having low car counts? Just sayin!!!!!
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bandit1881
M. Austin #81
Gotta check more that just stick a gauge in the top
wild1and83fan
Well-Known Member
The carb has been pulled off multiple times as well, the only rule for the carb is the gauge must fit and no machine work inside, same for the clutch, any single disk clutch is legal
DaveMcLain
Active Member
$500 for a good running Rochester sounds reasonable to me because building a gauge legal racing carburetor from a 30 year old core is a heck of a lot of work. Also you're paying for the many hours of development work that's required to get the metering package in shape. When you look at the overall impact on performance a properly reworked carburetor is a good investment.
Personally I think it would make more sense to require a carburetor that is currently available new and already comes with a metering package that's more appropriate for racing.
Personally I think it would make more sense to require a carburetor that is currently available new and already comes with a metering package that's more appropriate for racing.
bandit1881
M. Austin #81
Ok.... so I'm going to assume that you guys are ok with running carbs that have been "worked"...which cost more money! You're ok with lightweight clutches and parts that cost more money! But yet you guys complain about the cost of the class? This just proves my point! You as drivers are partly to blame for this class getting out of hand..... period! I've also noticed that drivers/car owners have a tendency to defend the parts they have and complain about the parts they don't have or can't afford..... in my opinion.... from this whole post..... you guys really don't care about the class as a whole, you only want rules that conform to what you have in your cars. Hate to say it but, I don't see this class being around much longer, and I can't say I would blame promoters for dropping it!
wild1and83fan
Well-Known Member
Good luck with finding a Rochester that hasn't been touched, ones done for racing are just as easy to get as a Holley from anywhere
bandit1881
M. Austin #81
Then guys shouldn't complain when guys want to run Holley carbs...... from what I hear they are easier to find and cheaper. I don't need luck finding one..... I don't need one.... but this is my point...... your not trying to figure out a way to save guys money or make the class better and get more cars..... you're defending your parts!
wild1and83fan
Well-Known Member
No defending any parts, my carb has been checked countless times this season and it passes the rules that are in place, Speedway sells them, big g sells them, jdr carbs sell them list goes on, everyone has them now so making everyone go buy new carbs and intakes makes no sense at all
DaveMcLain
Active Member
Yes everybody has them but you do know that 99% of those carburetors are machined to fit the gauge from a less than ideal core because those large bore cores are hard to come by and expensive when you do.
The people with a lot of money to spend, are going to spend it...period... even changing back to street tires, the big money will still be in the front. look at every class, and big money is in the front.. if ya have it your gonna spend what it takes to be in front. everybody races for different reasons, we race for fun and have been lucky enough to win a few features, and not break the bank. we will see what happens this year, we built the car back in 2003 and it still has the factory style body, kinda looks outa place with all the slab bodies and the spoilers but it's old school and we aren't gonna change it. we have had a lot of fun with the old regal over the years. best of luck to all the street stock guys and girls this year.
Revin
Moderator
They would have to take the weight jacks out to put the stock mounted shocks back in.
I race all big shows with stock mount shocks, no wgt jacks and win, stock firewall and pans because it's lighter than aftermarket steel one, Rochester 2bl flows same as 500 Holley this was proven on Mullins dyno, ok it was 10 cfm less and I have seen street tires lap a field that was on emods but the tires are 160 a piece, do your own thing, have fun and quite worrying bout what everyone else is doing, most importantly learn how to drive what you have to the best of car and drivers ability and improve from there, LEARN to drive!!! Have a great day!
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rather than me waiting until the rules meeting to ask this question, would your tire change plan allow burn off of tires from last year, maybe by adding a couple hundred pounds weight to the car? or would it be come up with the funds to buy all 4 opening day or your sitting out? 460$ is a lot of money when my pay checks isn't getting any bigger
DaveMcLain
Active Member
I'm sure it did pull about the same amount of air as a 4412 because you have to run a cast iron 2 barrel intake manifold. I bet if you tested it with a 6425 it would have also been about the same. That shows that requiring the Rochester is really anachronistic.
