Simple Green Ingredients,,,,may be the tire culprit here

Your post here actually forced the makers of "Simple Green" to send me a message. This is from Carol Chapin with Simple Green...

Please tell persons - must rinse tires like crazy if testing taking place because some folks have used Simple Green to make tires "sticky" (doped). Krud Kutter won't be any better because it also contains same ingredient.
 
I just a read a story on 'net about tires being stored inside your trailers in excessive heat absorbing gasoline fumes,,,also they were saying that headers pointed at the tires also have given bogus readings....my what you can find if you dig deep! These tests were done by a traveling mod series last July.
 
While I was reading this thread I'm thinking, are they cleaning their tires with Simple Green or "treating" them. A power washer with plain water got the dirt and slime off our tires.

Then I read Jimmy's post and "tada".
 
After reading this thread this morning, I bought stock in Simple Green for $1.25 a share. My shares are already worth $98 a share. Wow I wonder what is going on.. Thank you to all the Simple Green buyers today. I am going to Disney World now.......
 
Adam, I now live a few miles from a Blue Ridge Labs. located in Hudson NC. If this is the right facility I will check if they are still in business.
 
the company that makes "Simple Green" were forced to send you a message from a post on here? Someone might have sent them a message that was passed to you, but theres no way they take the time to find a comment from a st louis racing site and feel "forced" to respond. ANY cleaning agent will improve you tires. Leaving dirt on them all week dries them out, I thought that was pretty common knowlege, I figured out a few weeks ago when the great "king eddy" didnt understand why anyone would wash ther tires I was wrong.

Come up with a legitimate test and Ill agree to it all. Untill then people are getting there names trashed over a UMP joke
 
Don't call me a liar dude... The email came straight from cchapin@simplegreen.com

I will say in all likelihood, someone sent simple green a message asking them something and pointed out this post to them, but the message I posted came straight from that email address.

mfloyd said:
the company that makes "Simple Green" were forced to send you a message from a post on here? Someone might have sent them a message that was passed to you, but theres no way they take the time to find a comment from a st louis racing site and feel "forced" to respond. ANY cleaning agent will improve you tires. Leaving dirt on them all week dries them out, I thought that was pretty common knowlege, I figured out a few weeks ago when the great "king eddy" didnt understand why anyone would wash ther tires I was wrong.

Come up with a legitimate test and Ill agree to it all. Untill then people are getting there names trashed over a UMP joke
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Big companies monitor search engines all the time for copyright infringement... They could have encountered it that way, too. Don't believe me? Ask any reputable online artist to copy Disney characters and publish photos online... Not saying that simple green looks for their protection as diligently as the mouse does, but it CAN and DOES happen.
 
mfloyd said:
Leaving dirt on them all week dries them out, I thought that was pretty common knowlege, I figured out a few weeks ago when the great "king eddy" didnt understand why anyone would wash ther tires I was wrong.
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Listen up chowder head. I don't mind you disrespecting me, I actually find it flattering (and thanks for realizing I am great!). But atleast get what I said correct. Here is my post to which you refer:

"And I don't get the whole tire washing concept. When you roll the car onto the track their dirty again instantly. If your washing them with anything but plain water and for any reason other than trying to clean mud off and keep it out of your shop.... YOUR CHEATING! "Tire Washing" is just a facade your hiding behind to shield what your really doing. Most soaps contain lye, which is a caustic chemical. Chemicals are not allowed on Tires!!!"

I never stated "I don't understand why anyone would wash a tire" The jist of my post was that I don't understand the concept of having to use a solvent or soap to remove dirt. Plain water works fine. I understand perfectly well that some people believe that dirt dries out tires, and thats fine. I personally believe that simple green will dry out a tire far more than dirt does. Afterall SG, it is a solvent. And just what does a solvent do? One thing for sure, it breaks down oil. Now do you understand what I'm talking about? OIL, the main moisture in a tire being depleted by a solvent. Seems counterproductive to me. It also alters other physical and chemical properties of the tire. Which is cheating, according to the UMP rule book.

Dirt may leach a little of the oil from the first couple of 1000ths of a inch on a tire, but how quickly does that tire clean up (without being washed) and fire in hotlaps. Doesn't take long, especially on a soft tire. Most people grind or sand their hard tires to clean them up which removes the dirt and the top layer where any so called "dried out rubber may be. I'm no chemist, but SG is a solvent, and I fully believe it seeps further into a tire than just a couple of 1000ths.

In the 11 years that I've been helping Mike, we have never once washed a tire. Not even with plain water. Funny thing, how many times in those last 11 years has Mike been track champion or atleast in the top 5 at two or more tracks? I didn't do the math but I'm sure its close to 75% of them. Now, heres the kicker!!!!!!!.........Most of the time he was running on used tires that were given to us and with a motor atleast 100 HP down to the guys he was beating.

Tire washing, like I said....a facade to hide what you are really doing. Which is "treating a tire" because you are chemically altering a tire when you use anything other than plain water.
 
First off....simple green will actually hurt your tire in the long run. Simple green is a degreaser that will pull the oils out of your tire and dry them out, but it does do a good job cleaning them. And as far as washing your tires with something besides water is because if you use the right stuff (which they acutally make a "tire wash") it pulls the dirt from within the tire and you would be amazed how much that is. What this is ultimately going to do is open up the tires pores allowing it to disperse more heat properly and not blister up and so on. It really makes quite a difference! There are to many fans on here that dont know what they are talking about when it comes to this subject matter, and trust me its not going away anytime soon. And for all you people wishing for a sample of the track, i promise you that that is the last thing you want done. There are some of these tires chemicals that are pretty safe for you and the enviroment, however there are some out there that people use that arent quite so friendly.
 
I am pretty sure alot of these tracks do not want dirt samples taken and given and then the EPA steps in and says oh these samples are dirty "WE NEED TO CLOSE YOUR RACING FACILITY UNTIL YOU HAVE GOOD DIRT" then you have a track who has to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to have the dirty dirt hauled off and all the so called good dirt brought in. HMMMMMMMM now what do we do? Race on asphalt?
 
Don't forget most of these tracks run Demo Derbies,so remember that all kinds of chemicals would be present(antifreeze,motor oil,rear end grease and so on) Think before you speak......
 
Jimmy, I never called you a liar, I said I dont think someone was "forced" to respond to it. I didnt say you made it up. You said the same thing I did, someone probably sent them a message about it.

as far as king eddy, I probably shouldnt have mentioned your name, I was going by what I remember from your posts before, besides, you spend 100 times more time on here than I do, I wouldnt have the time to fight back, cause you will go to the death. Whats a "chowder head" anyway, not sure if im supposed to be offended or not
 
kingeddy said:
Listen up chowder head. I don't mind you disrespecting me, I actually find it flattering (and thanks for realizing I am great!). But atleast get what I said correct. Here is my post to which you refer:

"And I don't get the whole tire washing concept. When you roll the car onto the track their dirty again instantly. If your washing them with anything but plain water and for any reason other than trying to clean mud off and keep it out of your shop.... YOUR CHEATING! "Tire Washing" is just a facade your hiding behind to shield what your really doing. Most soaps contain lye, which is a caustic chemical. Chemicals are not allowed on Tires!!!"

I never stated "I don't understand why anyone would wash a tire" The jist of my post was that I don't understand the concept of having to use a solvent or soap to remove dirt. Plain water works fine. I understand perfectly well that some people believe that dirt dries out tires, and thats fine. I personally believe that simple green will dry out a tire far more than dirt does. Afterall SG, it is a solvent. And just what does a solvent do? One thing for sure, it breaks down oil. Now do you understand what I'm talking about? OIL, the main moisture in a tire being depleted by a solvent. Seems counterproductive to me. It also alters other physical and chemical properties of the tire. Which is cheating, according to the UMP rule book.

Dirt may leach a little of the oil from the first couple of 1000ths of a inch on a tire, but how quickly does that tire clean up (without being washed) and fire in hotlaps. Doesn't take long, especially on a soft tire. Most people grind or sand their hard tires to clean them up which removes the dirt and the top layer where any so called "dried out rubber may be. I'm no chemist, but SG is a solvent, and I fully believe it seeps further into a tire than just a couple of 1000ths.

In the 11 years that I've been helping Mike, we have never once washed a tire. Not even with plain water. Funny thing, how many times in those last 11 years has Mike been track champion or atleast in the top 5 at two or more tracks? I didn't do the math but I'm sure its close to 75% of them. Now, heres the kicker!!!!!!!.........Most of the time he was running on used tires that were given to us and with a motor atleast 100 HP down to the guys he was beating.

Tire washing, like I said....a facade to hide what you are really doing. Which is "treating a tire" because you are chemically altering a tire when you use anything other than plain water.
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Yes leaving dirt on the tires dry them dry out, just like leaving them out in the sun on an open trailer. There is a lot more than just dirt picked up, how much Lime do you think has been spread on tracks and especially in the pits over the years? Its stuff like that (ESPECIALLY LIME) included in the dirt that causes dry rotting of a tire.

In a chassis class that I took at Bob Pierces' he said "one of the most important things you need to do as part of your weekly maintenance schedule is getting that dirt off those tires before you put the car up on jack stands, leaving them caked with dirt is just as bad as leaving them sit out in the sun all week".

Jeff
 
ALCOHOL said:
Look up 2-butoxyethanol on wiki pedia....this is a solvent used in many ways including one of the ingredients in SIMPLE GREEN. I looked up the MSDS sheet on Simple Green and it lists this ingredient,,,This is probably what is showing up on the tire lab tests. Just sayin'
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Good find! and it got me looking into what I have been using to power wash my car and all my tires, "ZEP Industrial Purple Cleaner & Degreaser Concentrate" that I bought from Lowes.

http://www.zepcommercial.com/msds/united_states/english/ZU0856.pdf

5% 2-butoxyethano

I hope they don't start testing body panels and chassis parts because from the looks of it I have been doping my tires, sheet-metal, chassis, engine, rear-end, drivers compartment and my jack-stands for years.

Go ahead, just hang me up now, I deserve it, I realize now that I'v just been defacing racing as a sport all these years!

Jeff
 
All I can tell you is the facts I know. We have never washed a tire, and currently were in the top 20 in UMP points only 71pts behind 13th placed Korte. (we have raced one more night than him) Not too shabby for someone using old dirty tires and less hp.
 
Ive always said and i do agree simple green will show up on lab tests. But......what are they seeking in the tests? Can anyone answer that? Is it specefic chemicals.........because what i was told was they have a list of donts. If your tire has a dont chemical.....then your in trouble. But what is the dont list? I would think since simple green is a very common product that they would use it against anyone. Talk to a chemist........its pretty interesting actually what all they can do with a lab test. Depends on how far they want to narrow the ingredients down. I am with king though....wash your tires with water. All you really need.
 
I can remember back years ago when both tracks at granite city was using ZEP soap in the water when they were watering the track.... wonder what that might do???
 
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