Some thing to think about??

Thanks BOLO

Originally Posted by FRANK
1. GET RID OF WELFARE

2. GET RID OF UNIONS

Thats my opinion !!

That is not only not funny but probably about as dumb as anything you could say. You have no idea how much the unions have improved living in this country. I know some unions get most of their pay while they are laid off but that’s a small number and if you think about it, they only have what the company gave them. By that I mean the company could have held out and not given them that kind of deal but greed enters into it again because they weren’t producing while the workers were on strike and other companies were selling their products. So you see, the stockholders were going to lose money in dividends and that would reflect on management. No union member gets anything but what the company gives in to. And by the way Frank wherever you work when vacation time comes around for you just remember that’s something the union got for you even if you don’t work in a union place. You can also add in medical insurance, minimum wages, forty hour week, pay for overtime and the list goes on. If you’d like to work for a dollar a day and a bowl of soup go to N Korea or most any 3rd world country. Maybe you better think about it! You’d probably be working along side 11 and 12 year olds. I know some of the unions have gotten out of hand but their good far exceeds their bad.

And as a solution to foreign goods, do like I try to do when I can. Don’t buy it at all or look for a substitute if possible or make your own, or if you can’t do that try to find someone who can do it for you. You can also give business places you deal with a really bad time about the products they sell. If we can get something started in this part of the country it would just be great. Someone said China in ten or so years would be a super power. I’ve got some news for you. It already is.

Maybe we could outsource Congress, they don't seem to care about our jobs.
 
ANOTHER PART OF OUR PROBLEM IS BUSINESS INSURANCE IS THRU THE ROOF!! If you look @ some one crooked.YOUR SUED!!! I don't drink nor smoke.But' should that give me the rite to tell you that you cannot?? We are taxed and insured to death. A whole lot of businesses cannot afford this.
 
Just heard another one about our communist friends. Hella electrical they have plants in Salem Il and other places. They have to bid and sign contracts. One of their biggest contracts will not even except a bid from them unless they are puchasing @ min 50% from China. Now tell me whats up w/ that??:mad:
 
If everyone sees a problem, why is no one offering a (feasible) solution. So what do you propose we do bolo? If we close off our import trade, we have an overabundance of nearly everything we make. Guess what? That closes down our import market through retalliation trading. The best thing we could do is to get the Chinese (among others, you close one cheap workforce down, another will fill the void) workers to do what our own boys did when things were that tough, unionize. Then keep the greedy union bosses under control. Now that's the part I don't have any solution for. As you can plainly see, that is where we failed as well. Hey don't get me wrong, when steel workers and coal miners had no job security and everything was running willy nilly with no regards for safety the people had to get together. I think you pro-union guys that call welfare communism should step back and take a look at yourselves. Theres a fine line between communism and unionism. I am not anti-union, I am pro-worker, the two just don't go together in my notion. There's my two cents, remember guys, I am just a dumb truck driver. Take it for what it's worth. I am just sick of whiners and complainers not offering up any sort of constructive criticizm. Everybody wants to point at the failures, but nobody wants to help.
 
I agree on part of what you say. But' From the way I read it " You would not mind driving your truck 15 hrs a day for 5 -10 dollars?? Cause that is what is happening in China. Now I am not whining I am on here looking for a solution. I do not appose aid to those who TRUELY need it. But ' we have a problem w/ to many free loaders. Example " I am a druggie and that is a disease so I am unable to work. " For that they will put you on disability _ S.S. That is fact!! I know a few personaly that are completley healthy and fine. But' as they will tell you them selves " WHY WORK ?? When I can draw a retard check??" While the rest of us work our Azz's off just to survive. What gives w/ that?? You say big deal buy from China they sell cheap. We need them. Do you want your 12 yr old child working for $2.** a day?? FORCED to do so!! Hey better yet when they take your job tell who whines then???? CHINA IS FOR SLAVERY!! WE ARE FOR FREEDOM!! WHY LET THEM TAKE US OVER LIKE THIS?? I AM ON HERE ASKING FOR IDEAS BECAUSE I AM LOST AS FOR WHAT I / WE CAN DO TO STOP THIS!! THIS IS MY WAY OF DOING SOMTHING ABOUT IT!! quote=Gettin Dizzy]If everyone sees a problem, why is no one offering a (feasible) solution. So what do you propose we do bolo? If we close off our import trade, we have an overabundance of nearly everything we make. Guess what? That closes down our import market through retalliation trading. The best thing we could do is to get the Chinese (among others, you close one cheap workforce down, another will fill the void) workers to do what our own boys did when things were that tough, unionize. Then keep the greedy union bosses under control. Now that's the part I don't have any solution for. As you can plainly see, that is where we failed as well. Hey don't get me wrong, when steel workers and coal miners had no job security and everything was running willy nilly with no regards for safety the people had to get together. I think you pro-union guys that call welfare communism should step back and take a look at yourselves. Theres a fine line between communism and unionism. I am not anti-union, I am pro-worker, the two just don't go together in my notion. There's my two cents, remember guys, I am just a dumb truck driver. Take it for what it's worth. I am just sick of whiners and complainers not offering up any sort of constructive criticizm. Everybody wants to point at the failures, but nobody wants to help.[/quote]
 
Gettin Dizzy said:
I am not anti-union, I am pro-worker, the two just don't go together in my notion. There's my two cents, remember guys, I am just a dumb truck driver. Take it for what it's worth. I am just sick of whiners and complainers not offering up any sort of constructive criticizm. Everybody wants to point at the failures, but nobody wants to help.
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First you say the Chinese people should unionize. Then you say that you're not anti-union, you're pro-worker. The two don't go together? Please explain that one you're losing me. You're sick of the whiners and complainers not offering solutions? Well where is your solution? Don't see one....and hey I'm a truck driver too, but I sure as heck don't consider myself dumb. You come on here and basically tell everyone that if they don't have a solution to the problem to shut up, and yet you don't offer any solutions yourself? :rolleyes:
Your handle certainly seems to fit.
 
I do not totaly agree w/ unions either. Because they are part of the problem also. I know what they stand for means well and is good.But' what the majority has become?? Thats a BIG problem.
 
You said it!! I agree w/ that one :)
Pitboss88 said:
First you say the Chinese people should unionize. Then you say that you're not anti-union, you're pro-worker. The two don't go together? Please explain that one you're losing me. You're sick of the whiners and complainers not offering solutions? Well where is your solution? Don't see one....and hey I'm a truck driver too, but I sure as heck don't consider myself dumb. You come on here and basically tell everyone that if they don't have a solution to the problem to shut up, and yet you don't offer any solutions yourself? :rolleyes:
Your handle certainly seems to fit.
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Gettin Dizzy said:
.I think you pro-union guys that call welfare communism should step back and take a look at yourselves. Theres a fine line between communism and unionism.
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I am pro-union, and I don't equate welfare with Communism. And I'd be interested to hear you elaborate on your premise attempting to link communism and unionism.
 
Re: Somthing to think about

Just received an email that will make you think Something to think about I got this from a guy I was in the service with around a hundred years ago. It's self explanatory.

Subject: Low on ammo?
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:59:51 -0500

We just spoke to a U.S. Army colonel who tells us a few
interesting
facts about the war in the sands.

First, he said that the M-16 with its .223 cal bullet, isn't that
well
received and the old M-14 with its 30/06 cartridge is being phased back
in.
The stopping power of the 30/06 is far superior to the smaller round.

Second, he said that supplies of .50 cal machine gun ammunition are
being depleted faster than can be resupplied. He said that the Army is
going into World War II stockpiles of .50 cal. ammunition and even that
is
dwindling faster than it can be replaced. There is only one company in
the
US that manufactures .50 cal. machine gun ammunition (in Indiana) and
it is
working at maximum capacity and still can't keep up with the demand.

Makes one wonder - this is a piddly little regional war. With the
greatly reduced manufacturing capacity of the United States with so
many
companies already moved to other countries - what would we do if there
were
another Pearl Harbor and another major war? Remember, we don't even
own our
own naval shipyards. The Philadelphia Naval Shipyard, this nation's
oldest,
was sold about ten years ago to a Danish group. Mare Island has been
shut
down. If the USA is depleting simple .50 cal. machine gun ammunition
faster
than it can be replaced in a small regional war - somebody had better
see
the handwriting on the wall - and soon!Do you still want buy every thing you see made offshore?
 
I do not want this to sound like a rant but it probaably will. So here I go. If we look at the need for unions and why jobs are getting sent oversees you will probably find only one reason and that reason is the cost of living. The cost of living keeps increasing more and more everyday so it only makes sense that we all want to make more money and have better benefits. So we join our unions and they help get everyone what they need. Now companies think it is too expensive to pay american workers so they send the jobs overseas.

I think we have all agreed to the above state for the most part, but what no one has said is what causes this cost of living increase. Here is an example the cost of a car has increased so much that it takes more than 5yrs to pay off a new car and payment upto $500 a month. Now who can afford a car payment.

Allright so things cost more but why do they cost more. Well this comes when the Government sticks their hands in things. See what the government does is they invent new departments such as the EPA and the EPA makes new laws and rules to govern a private buisness such as that of the automotive industry. They set emission standards on all cars, set MPG standards for auto manufactures, and require On Board Diagnostics. By doing this they increase the cost to build a car and therefore increase the cost of buying a car. Then we the consumer spend more money on a car and not only that but now somebody has to test these cars and make sure they meet these standards so that means our taxes have to go up to pay that person. So they just upped the cost of living that much more. You might think well that is just one instance but it is the same with anything just think about it..

Now I am all for saving the inviroment but I am also very against the government saying that you have to build your product a certain way. That is not the way a free country works.

If you need more examples of how the government has raised the cost of living I will post some more but I doubt anyone will even read this whole post anyway.

James
 
I did !! You are absolutley correct.I am an auto tech. and the same goes for our tools.Such as scanner / diagnostic like Mitchell on demand , Alldata etc. That alone runs 1800.00 annualy @ 149.99 per month. Updates on the scanner $400.00 to 650.00 every 4 - 6 months.Now our heating bill (gas heat) dbl in cost from last yr. and last yr was dbl from the yr befor.How can we continue @ this pace??
crewcheif12 said:
I do not want this to sound like a rant but it probaably will. So here I go. If we look at the need for unions and why jobs are getting sent oversees you will probably find only one reason and that reason is the cost of living. The cost of living keeps increasing more and more everyday so it only makes sense that we all want to make more money and have better benefits. So we join our unions and they help get everyone what they need. Now companies think it is too expensive to pay american workers so they send the jobs overseas.

I think we have all agreed to the above state for the most part, but what no one has said is what causes this cost of living increase. Here is an example the cost of a car has increased so much that it takes more than 5yrs to pay off a new car and payment upto $500 a month. Now who can afford a car payment.

Allright so things cost more but why do they cost more. Well this comes when the Government sticks their hands in things. See what the government does is they invent new departments such as the EPA and the EPA makes new laws and rules to govern a private buisness such as that of the automotive industry. They set emission standards on all cars, set MPG standards for auto manufactures, and require On Board Diagnostics. By doing this they increase the cost to build a car and therefore increase the cost of buying a car. Then we the consumer spend more money on a car and not only that but now somebody has to test these cars and make sure they meet these standards so that means our taxes have to go up to pay that person. So they just upped the cost of living that much more. You might think well that is just one instance but it is the same with anything just think about it..

Now I am all for saving the inviroment but I am also very against the government saying that you have to build your product a certain way. That is not the way a free country works.

If you need more examples of how the government has raised the cost of living I will post some more but I doubt anyone will even read this whole post anyway.

James
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something to think about

First I'd like to mention something that we can probably all identify with. An earlier post mentioned racing parts. A lot of people use the offshore cranks, rods, etc. The low buck cranks are actually heavier than an o.e.m. steel crank and weaker. The 4340 offshore cranks are a little stronger but more expensive. For the money you can easily find a Bryant crank or other quality American made light weight crank from a cup team. You'll end up with a better piece. Same thing with the rods if you do your research. Watch rod length and journal size. It may "cost a little more" short term but it'll hold up longer. If on a budget and running a s.b.c at lower h.p. levels, "x" rods or similar heavy duty o.e.m. rods with good bolts will work fine. I'd rather pay a machine shop or engine builder than use poor quality offshore parts. That's one step in the direction of keeping our money in our country. I also build racing parts and won't use anything made overseas even though the temptation is there because I could pocket a few extra dollars. I think that a couple of non racing related things would help also. If you're going to buy a new car, buy American. Yeah, there are foreign parts on them and that stinks, but it keeps American workers employed and helps the auto manufacturers finance r&d. With a little effort maybe our cars would be 100% built with American parts and have the same gas mileage, reliability, etc. On a side note, how many Asians do you see driving American cars? If you're American, drive an american car. Regarding the supposed need for immigrant workers, take away the free welfare ride and see how quickly jobs get filled. At least, have the able bodied people drawing a check for sitting on their rumps get out there and pick up trash along the highways or fill potholes so that those of us who are paying them with our tax money can have a pleasant drive to work. Bottom line, I'm so sick of seeing our country flooded by junk and our jobs going overseas that I'll buy American or do without, given any kind of choice at all.
 
There you go. That is one very good point.:)
camaroman said:
First I'd like to mention something that we can probably all identify with. An earlier post mentioned racing parts. A lot of people use the offshore cranks, rods, etc. The low buck cranks are actually heavier than an o.e.m. steel crank and weaker. The 4340 offshore cranks are a little stronger but more expensive. For the money you can easily find a Bryant crank or other quality American made light weight crank from a cup team. You'll end up with a better piece. Same thing with the rods if you do your research. Watch rod length and journal size. It may "cost a little more" short term but it'll hold up longer. If on a budget and running a s.b.c at lower h.p. levels, "x" rods or similar heavy duty o.e.m. rods with good bolts will work fine. I'd rather pay a machine shop or engine builder than use poor quality offshore parts. That's one step in the direction of keeping our money in our country. I also build racing parts and won't use anything made overseas even though the temptation is there because I could pocket a few extra dollars. I think that a couple of non racing related things would help also. If you're going to buy a new car, buy American. Yeah, there are foreign parts on them and that stinks, but it keeps American workers employed and helps the auto manufacturers finance r&d. With a little effort maybe our cars would be 100% built with American parts and have the same gas mileage, reliability, etc. On a side note, how many Asians do you see driving American cars? If you're American, drive an american car. Regarding the supposed need for immigrant workers, take away the free welfare ride and see how quickly jobs get filled. At least, have the able bodied people drawing a check for sitting on their rumps get out there and pick up trash along the highways or fill potholes so that those of us who are paying them with our tax money can have a pleasant drive to work. Bottom line, I'm so sick of seeing our country flooded by junk and our jobs going overseas that I'll buy American or do without, given any kind of choice at all.
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No Ammo

poorowner said:
Just received an email that will make you think Something to think about I got this from a guy I was in the service with around a hundred years ago. It's self explanatory.

Subject: Low on ammo?
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:59:51 -0500

We just spoke to a U.S. Army colonel who tells us a few
interesting
facts about the war in the sands.

First, he said that the M-16 with its .223 cal bullet, isn't that
well
received and the old M-14 with its 30/06 cartridge is being phased back
in.
The stopping power of the 30/06 is far superior to the smaller round.

Second, he said that supplies of .50 cal machine gun ammunition are
being depleted faster than can be resupplied. He said that the Army is
going into World War II stockpiles of .50 cal. ammunition and even that
is
dwindling faster than it can be replaced. There is only one company in
the
US that manufactures .50 cal. machine gun ammunition (in Indiana) and
it is
working at maximum capacity and still can't keep up with the demand.

Makes one wonder - this is a piddly little regional war. With the
greatly reduced manufacturing capacity of the United States with so
many
companies already moved to other countries - what would we do if there
were
another Pearl Harbor and another major war? Remember, we don't even
own our
own naval shipyards. The Philadelphia Naval Shipyard, this nation's
oldest,
was sold about ten years ago to a Danish group. Mare Island has been
shut
down. If the USA is depleting simple .50 cal. machine gun ammunition
faster
than it can be replaced in a small regional war - somebody had better
see
the handwriting on the wall - and soon!Do you still want buy every thing you see made offshore?
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What an imagined thought NO BULLETS to kill people with. True, most all consumer goods are made outside the USA, to think that we as Americans make the best products is pure iniquity. Maybe we should burn all the books that have been written by non-usa citizens. We could become the master race! Tell the rest of the world how to live their lives or even better just get ride of them. The USA is a major producer of one type of goods- armaments, missiles, rockets, tanks, planes, cannons, guns, and on and on, if it is for fighting a war we make it. The most economical boost is to go to war.
History teaches us that all, all civilizations rise and fall, where are we headed?

Caution: put mind in gear before starting engine, drive safe and buckle up, it`s the LAW
Fighting for peace is like having sex for virginity
After Iraq we could “liberate” Texas it has oil
 
I hope you do understand what we are worried about here??It is not just that we are complaining about other countries here. We just DO NOT want SLAVERY!! Wich as far as I know?? Is what CHINA stands for?? Who does the work ?? Who gets paid?? And NO we DO NOT need to be @ war @ this time. We went in and done what needed to be done. And now we need to get out and leave them alone. Worry about our problems!! Forgive me if I have missunderstood what you just wrote?? But' 60 yr old hippy YOU BAD!! Slavery you can handle?? Hell 12 or 60 what makes the dif?? Hell you can do it for ever.?? Who needs money?? Who needs to eat??Go live in CHINA then tell me how bad we are?? Man after 60 yrs from what I just read> YOU HAVE NOT LEARNED CRAPP!! Get the weed out your mouth.Try to put some of them burned up brain cells back together?? Once again " If I am missunderstanding your words here?? Then I owe ya one for what I just said and I am sorry??
Mun11 said:
What an imagned thought NO BULLETS to kill people with. True, most all consumer goods are made outside the USA, to think that we as Americans make the best products is pure iniquity. Maybe we should burn all the books that have been written by non-usa citizens. We could become the master race! Tell the rest of the world how to live their lives or even better just get ride of them. The USA is a major producer of one type of goods- armaments, missiles, rockets, tanks, planes, cannons, guns, and on and on, if it is for fighting a war we make it. The most economical boost is to go to war.
History teaches us that all, all civilizations rise and fall, where are we headed?

Caution: put mind in gear before starting engine, drive safe and buckle up, it`s the LAW
Fighting for peace is like having sex for virginity
After Iraq we could “liberate” Texas it has oil
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Slavery??

Bolo, I think we ended slavery (with a war) in the 1860`s not very long ago. China has the largest population of any country. If the people were slaves I think there would be a revolution very much like our own. We enjoy one of the highest standard of living in the world. It is a capitalist state-money makes it work-China is a socialist state not slavery, should we invade China to free the people there? All people need the basics, food, water, shelter, security of life. We live in a large world, everyone needs these basics. YES we should support the US this is where we live and need to protect it by making better consumer goods that we can buy here in the US. Don`t be sorry just get out there and make those $$$, I have for sixty years now it`s your turn. Maybe you should put some weed in your mouth and clam down, it don`t kill as many brain cells as alcohol does. Peace&Freedom

Caution: put mind in gear before starting engine, drive safe and buckle up it`s the LAW
Fighting for peace is like having sex for virginity
Bring our boys home alive
After Iraq we can "liberate" Texas, it has oil
 
Mun11 said:
Bolo, I think we ended slavery (with a war) in the 1860`s not very long ago.
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Are you sure about that? Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation may have technically freed the slaves in 1863, but have you ever heard of sharecropping, or of what working conditions were like for factory workers before the labor movement and FDR's New Deal?

Mun11 said:
Maybe you should put some weed in your mouth and clam down, it don`t kill as many brain cells as alcohol does.
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That's just what we need, someone on here advocating smoking weed.:rolleyes:
 
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