The Lay-over flag and lap cars

kenwoodjeff

kenwoodjeff

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This last week at Pevely during the feature I saw the lay-over flag but a yellow was thrown before the leaders could pass and I noticed that this put all the guys behind me a lap down. (I was 12th or so at the time) What this means is that if I am lapped and a caution comes out, my race is complete, I can not advance up any positions without first passing the entire field.

Now I have been taught that when you see the lay-over flag you hold your line and don't race the leaders.
With the adoption of transponders and cars going a lap down the lay-over flag now means "drive over your head and race the leaders as hard as you can" because if they get by you are locked in from advancing past any cars the leader puts a lap down. Heck you would be better off drawing a caution as soon as you get passed, before the leader can make it back to the scoring loop. You at least get two unassisted yellows and get to stay on the lead lap.

What I am trying to get at here is that this a perfect formula for causing dangerous situations for all parties involved. The leaders don't want lapped cars racing them hard and the lapped cars should not be forced to drive over their heads. This is not NASCAR, there is 0% chance of getting your lap back.

What is wrong with going back to the traditional method in short track of re-racking all cars onto the same lap?
 
Another reason allied needs to be gone also a real flamenco dosnt take orders he runs the show not someone on the tower
 
Realistically.... if you are a lapped car, there is a reason for that.

How often has a lapped car come back and passed all leaders that have already passed him and get back in the lead in (in this case) 8 laps.

This gave you a advantage because you got to go ahead of the cars that were already a lap down, thus giving you a batter advantage for a better finish.

It works both ways. This is the way alot of the tracks in the area are doing. I have noticed less cautions and less carnage by doing it this way.

I have always been a fan of the way the MARS series does it by giving the first person a lap down the Lucky Dog award and getting their lap back.

I have seen it work there and someone actually got it and came back and won the race a couple years ago.
 
I was wondering the same exact thing. I got passed by Hoffman and Mevert and then a yellow came out. The next thing I hear over the raceceiver is that I am 1 lap down to 10 cars. So now the best I can finish is 11th?? I guess so.
 
Around this area that flag means nothing because when the lap car sees it to them it means to fu$k with the leaders even more cause that's what they do
 
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I like any rule that keeps more cars on the track for the entire race. This rule is worth reviewing. A change might help the sport.
 
After what happened Friday night, the flag at least needs to be used and everyone needs to be reminded what it means. Things happen but we tore up $1000 worth of stuff due to someone probably not knowing they were being lapped and then not holding their line. Like I said, it happens, and hopefully it opens some eyes so that it doesn't happen to anyone else.
 
Sometimes it's the lap cars that make the race... Like last Saturday at I55. Hoffman Mevert and Griffaw were slicing and dicing their way through lap traffic like I have never seen before. It was very exciting to say the least.

A few years ago we went to an Pro modified show (Brett Hearn style) at Eldora. They told the drivers that when you hear your number on the raceiver it means your getting lapped. They told them to go directly to the bottom and stay there until the leaders had passed. The officials added that if we have to tell you twice you'll be black flagged. They was a new one for me.
 
Ryan21Mid said:
After what happened Friday night, the flag at least needs to be used and everyone needs to be reminded what it means. Things happen but we tore up $1000 worth of stuff due to someone probably not knowing they were being lapped and then not holding their line. Like I said, it happens, and hopefully it opens some eyes so that it doesn't happen to anyone else.
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Flag was displayed repeatedly i was right by the flagman
 
Yeah they got it out for 2 laps, but like I said maybe tracks just need to reiterate what it means. Some guys haven't raced anything before and just simply don't know.
 
I was suprised Sat night at I55 when the yellow came out and they said on the raceceiver that the cars that were lapped were goin to the tail,i dont think that is right either! If the leader has to pass those cars,then the people chasing the leader should also have to pass them! And it also makes the rest of the race pretty meaningless for the cars were lapped,if the cant better there position!
 
This happened to me at Quincy a couple weeks ago. Was running 7th and got lapped 15 laps in. After a caution was told 6th on back were a lap down. So I could only gain 1 spot with 10 to go. Ended up 6th or could have pulled off and got 15th. Easy decision! Lesson....get faster!
 
If I'm getting lapped I could care less how many spots I can make up....should be focused on getting better. I definitely don't want to be put in the middle of a race with the leaders on a restart. And from a fans point of view I want to see 1st and 2nd race it out. I understand Deans point but I'd rather put the lapped cars to the back.
 
Great post dave and i agree! I see everyones point and no way is their a way to go about this and make everyone happy Nature of the beast
 
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