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RAMS#20

09 MCS Ministock Champion
Is anyone planning on joining UMP this year? What does it do for you besides the point fund? I am sure there are allot of tracks where 1 or 2 people win every week so it would take many wins to get any money back.

The competition rule was put in to even the playing field and make a more exciting race but it is not used at all tracks. If it is the same as last year(win three and start in the back once) it will not affect anything but the way the rule is written Mel can do what he believe is best for the class so it could be much more severe that what he did last year. I don't have to worry about this but it is something to think about for those running for national points.
 
Ump

Hey Jack,

This is what I found from UMP website for points fund:

2007 UMP DIRT Car Racing Four-Cylinder National Points Fund Distribution ($7,650):

MID-AMERICA: 1. Mike Rittenberry $500; 2. Mark Farber $300; 3. Don Keech $200; 4. Jeff Bailey $175; 5. Keith Mayo $150; 6. Jeff Rittenberry $140; 7. Rick Champagne $130; 8. Trevor Bailey $120; 9. Jerry Myering $110; 10. Emily Crowell $100; 11. Amber Walden $75; 12. Ray Reynolds $75; 13. Robert Canter $75; 14. Luke Near $75; 15. Edward Abbitt $75; 16. James Scott $50; 17. April Spriggs $50; 18. Nick Alexander $50; 19. Levi Baker $50; 20. Donnie Whited $50

EASTERN: 1. D.J. Werkmeister $500; 2. Rich Mueller $300; 3. Jerrod Thomas $200; 4. Ryen Johnson $175; 5. Mark Adkins $150; 6. Jeremy Grove $140; 7. Lake Nicholds $130; 8. Axle Wicker $120; 9. Bill Lawson $110; 10. Dan Kerr $100; 11. Eddie Johnson $75; 12. Andy Parks $75; 13. Daniel Flessner $75; 14. Jerry Adkins $75; 15. Harley Weidner $75; 16. Russell Robinson $50; 17. Beau Bradley $50; 18. Mike Adkins $50; 19. Jessica Summer $50; 20. Robert Frohnapfel $50

SOUTHERN: 1. Ryan Eilers $500; 2. Joe Reed $300; 3. Chris Fisher $200; 4. Jim Cross Jr. $175; 5. Chris Burton $150; 6. David Shaw $140; 7. Rob Shaw $130; 8. Jon Ripperda $120; 9. Josh James $110; 10. Aaron Wood $100; 11. Stacy Whitehouse $75; 12. T.J. Eilers $75; 13. Bill Burke $75; 14. Bruce Duglar $75; 15. Chad Burgess $75; 16. Justin Shaw $50; 17. Tracy Vonrohr $50; 18. Larry Hawk $50; 19. Jason Crump $50; 20. E.J. Gregory $50


I believe they offer (SECONDARY) insurance as well.
 
Ump

kslle said:
i thought ump 4 cyl. rules were track rules with street tires as mandatory.
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That is correct, this off of UMP site:

2008 U.M.P. DIRTCAR 4 CYLINDER CLASS

(PURE STOCK, AMERICAN STOCK, HOBBY STOCK, NOVICE)

The 4 cylinder class will be a new division for UMP in 2008. The only rule UMP will have for 4 cylinder is that they have to run on a street tire. Everything else will be track rules. If the drivers want to be eligible for the point funds for this class he/she will have to be a member of UMP. The price of the membership will be $75.00.
We will pay a National point fund, which will be listed below. If the drivers in the 4 cylinder class get involved we will add more point money in the years to come.
When you become a member you will be eligible for the point fund. You will also receive a newsletter as well as a membership kit with your membership card, decals and other items.
When you start your racing career it is very important that you get your name out in the racing community, what better way than with the UMP newsletter. This letter is sent out to thousands of people and seen by many more on our website.
It would be great to have you as a UMP 4 Cylinder champion in 2008.
2008 UMP 4 CYLINDER POINTS FUNDS MINIMUM
1- 500.00 11- 95.00
2- 300.00 12- 90.00
3- 200.00 13- 85.00
4- 175.00 14- 80.00
5- 150.00 15- 75.00
6- 140.00 16- 70.00
7- 130.00 17- 65.00
8- 120.00 18- 60.00
9- 110.00 19- 55.00
10-100.00 20- 50.00
The number of regions will depend on how many tracks sanction this class in 2008. More info will be released as soon as we have the tracks signed up.

Street tire rule would ****! Do not understand the street tire rule? There are plenty of wore out tires around from mod guys that some of us use, and it ain't like the 4-cyl cars burn up tires every night like mods and late models.
 
I saw that also. They say it is a new class but they ran it last year. If there were really three regions it may be worth joining but if it is only a national purse maybe not. If they do have some kind of insurance that would make it worth joining.

Why am I asking, with my luck I will blow up the motor in the first two weeks anyway.
 
U M P

If my memory serves me right U M P members also get a insurance policy with there membership. Don"t know what it covers. thats what I read last year, this year who knows.:confused:
 
You do not have to run street tires at MCS. Just be legal for MCS, if you run any other tracks you will have to abide by their rules. Most of the other tracks run street tires and no weight jacks. I think some of you guys already do run the Hoosier Street Bozz which has a D.O.T. number on it.

This is my understanding of what was explained to me by Mike Null.

John Barr
The Trashdog
 
Tire rules.

Hi Guys and Girls:

Just wanted to chime in and tell you that I put my writing ability's to work on this very subject just yesterday.
I wrote a lengthy letter (go figure) to Mr. Diggers of the UMP about this very subject.
I think I plead our case pretty well and even asked to have a meeting with who ever would listen at the UMP on this subject.
It has been my intention to standardize this class at least within our region since I became involved 2 years ago.
I am not sure how much input on this class they have taken or considered, but I am willing to go to bat and see if we can get a real set of working rules that cover the basics of this class.
This would allow the tracks to have some flexibility on the rules as they see fit for their regions, but the core rules would be the same.
This would allow us to travel from track to track and just have to make minor changes to the car in order to compete.
This would not only make it better for all of us, but help the class grow nationally into something where the larger touring series car owners would respect us more and consider us when looking for the next development driver in their program.
I know what some of you are saying.
"I am never going to get that chance so why do I care."
The class was created as a beginners class.
A perfect step up from the karting series for the kids who were lucky enough to have someone help them with the car and the logistics of getting back and forth to the track.
The rest of us are just too broke to race anything faster or we would...

In my letter to the UMP I addressed the tire issue as it has been told to me. After all I am just a beginner in this as well.
I have been told by several track owners and promoters that the use of street tires tears up the track surface and that some of the more competitive teams in the upper classes will not come and compete when the lower classes run street tires due to that condition.

I have not been told otherwise from any one else I have talked to on this subject so I asked the UMP folks for their opinion on the matter.
I also told them about the abundance of "take-off" tires we are using at the track so the issue of cost can not be factored in.
I have no problem with the front wheel drive classes at all.
They seem to be growing in popularity and the drivers that came to MCS were some great wheel men.
I just don't think you can climb out of a hornet and into something as restricted as a street stock and give anybody good information on what to do to make the car better.
The cars are very different.
These to animals don't belong in the same cage and if you have desires to step up and possibly make a career out of racing, climbing into a car with the drive wheels on the other end is not your best place to start.
You could logically say that karting is the first step.
If you go up a class every 2 seasons the next step could be a hornet.
What will be the next step if you climb one class at a time?
I can tell you this, it won't drive like a hornet.
Every other class is rear wheel drive and the suspensions get progressively wilder each class you go up.
Why take a side step when you can take a step forward and learn how to wheel a car with the drive wheels under your butt where they belong.
If your going to continue to race you will sooner or later end up with a V8 at your heels and a 9" ford rear end under your butt.
Why do it the long hard way?
Again:
The Hornet guys deserve as much consideration as anyone else.
I wonder what they would do if they could use racing rubber?
I can't see why the UMP would mandate a tire designed for street use when racing tires clearly state NOT FOR HIGHWAY USE!
I sell products to the major tire manufactures and they go to great lengths to design tires to fit the purpose they are intended to serve.
Not one of them would recommend that use their tires to race on any surface under any conditions.
These tires were not designed for this.
Why not use the equipment that was designed for this.
If DOT tires are OK to race with then I am going to ask why can't I use the seat belts out of a street car in a race car.
The logical answer is that racing is more dangerous than driving on the street, but the fact is the belts in your street car will more then protect you in the Mini and Hornet classes where we are much slower because we have to use street tires.
These folks have some real questions to answer to satisfy me on this DOT tire rule.
I promise I won't be a block head.
I will listen to what they have to say and consider all of the angles and in the end it will be just as it always is.
They own the place.
They can make the rules however they see fit.

In dirt racing this seems to be a re-occurring theme!
I am not accustom to this "make the rules as you go" thing.
I can't imagine any sport that could survive like this.

See you all soon:

Ed Albietz aka Uncle Ed.
Team HEIDENHAIN
 
You are a very insightful man wise beyond your years Uncle Ed.

Keep up the great work, this class can be a great springboard if the rules could be standardized.
 
Stage I complete!

Hello again folks.

Stage one of the plan is complete.
I now have the respect of Mr. Driggers of the UMP.
We are discussing the class and it's flaws as we each see it.
He gave me a history lesson on the UMP which I badly needed
and gave me some hope for the future as it relates to the 4 cylinder classes.
He seems to be a very knowledgeable person on the class after only picking it up just a few years ago.
His direction and mine may not yet be the same but all things in time.
He said that when he started with the UMP 15 years ago it was only 2 classes. He has been running it for the past 5 years.
Now they have 9 classes that they sanction 2 of which run a street tire.
All of the UMP 4 cylinder classes at all of the tracks run a street tire with the exception of MCS.
He knows the track well.
He said the track owners complained when they actually tried to change some of the rules to make the class more consistent so they added the track by track rule.
Still MCS is the only one to not mandate a street tire.
He said that they are concerned for the health of the class and he said that they will stay after it until we all have the same rules.
Where we most differ is the other mods that we all have done that will kill us if we travel and those are under the hood!
I think we should be able to change a limited amount of parts and components under the hood to make the cars more like real race cars and they are not of this thinking.
They are worried about the cost driving potential competitors and new comers out.
I assured him that in order to get your feet wet in dirt car racing you would need all the knowledge that one could amass and not be disappointed for your first 2 years.
No matter how much you spend, you can't spend your way to the front if the car can't handle and if any of you have driven these cars on street tires you know how hard this could be.
My argument stills holds water as you must know engine building, tuning and chassis set up in order to move up just one class.
He also said that if we allowed a race tire and got these cars hooked up then that would lead to spending more on making power and cheating.
So you see he IS very smart on the subject.
Even though we differ on some of these points I still want to meet with him and talk about some of these rules.
I think I can work most of this out long distance as he resides in Florida.
But as some of you know I travel quite a bit for work and I think a trip to the sunshine state is in order.
If all goes well we will end up with a set of rules that are consistent.
Some we will like and some we won't... Go Figure! But at least it will be the same across the board.

I will keep you all informed of the progress:

Ed Albietz aka Uncle Ed.
Team HEIDENHAIN
 
Uncle Ed

If we ever organize Ministocks like Mr Millise did (RAMS) I would vote you as the President. Is there any seconds .
 
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