Federated I-55 UMP Pro Mod tech this past Saturday

Maybe all tracks should use the same rules as quarter midgets. If there is any marks on certain screws on the carb it is found illegal and destroyed. If any of the molding marks on the inside of the head are even scratched they are found illegal and destroyed. Same with the blocks if found illegal. If they did that the then the promoters could charge people to watch the teaching cause I'm sure there would be some good scraping going on. Lol
 
DaveMcLain said:
In the past I have offered to help out.. My offer was always declined..

Besides maybe it is sort of a conflict of interest. I put a LOT of work into making my engines run better(particularly two barrel induction) because that's a part of racing that I enjoy.
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I think thought to have set claim prices on parts with 4 barrel on anything or same carb on all,with all the same set claim prices
 
The whole problem with the sealed crate engine is that they have created an engine that cannot be "teched" in any reasonable way at the track. Using the example from this thread:

Checking the valve springs proves what? With a hydraulic cam increasing the spring loads and or rate does not necessarily increase performance especially at high RPM. Why? because if you increase the open loads in particular it makes the hydraulic lifter collapse more at high RPM thus reducing lift and duration both of which will hamper not help high speed performance.

Making a big deal out of the valve springs, confiscating them etc is nothing more than a theater production intended to look like a real tech inspection.
 
Are tech officials not official enough to be able to open and inspect and re-seal a motor?

How does IMCA do it?
 
There's even more complaining in IMCA over legality of crate motors because the 604 crates win a lot of their A-Mod races.
 
Sealing motors is a waste of time. You take the motor and give them a replacement motor for one week. Then tear theirs down and inspect every piece. Guys will stop cheating if they see this happen. Worked great in UMP crates until Sammy stopped teching.
 
Intake said:
McClain was playing the shell game with an illegal carb and got caught. Was Craig involved? I would bet not. When did you inform me of anything on the phone, never spoke to you on the phone in my life. As to language, you and your stooges could dish it out but then run crying when you get it back, snowflake much??? You're lucky it was found before the feature and not after. The only one that didn't know what he was doing was you and your minions thinking you could pull a fast one. I am sure being a journeyman tool and die maker for over 40 years now doesn't qualify me to use a simple gauge that the kid was using and found you out. Go cry some more about something that happened 5 years ago you twit! ... and if you don't like what I have to say, take a flying fuck at a rolling donut!!
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Ah bull crap Jim you protest too earnestly, too much because you know I"m the one telling the truth. That very same exact 4412 was inspected and measured by you yourself multiple times for at least two seasons before you suddenly just minutes before the feature found it to be illegal. The next week I called Ray Marler after your stunt and after enduring a moral lesson from him I got your number which I gave to Bob Oliver(Competition Carburetion Sun Valley NV) builder of the carburetor who then called you to find out what the problem was.... You used your wonderful people skills to assure him of your in-abilities as well as to confirm your nonsense at the track that night. You didn't know and could not tell him what the size of the hole in the booster should be on a 4412 so he told you... He (Bob) builds his carburetors to fit the industry standard gauge set from BLP. You too can call BLP just as I did after the crap you tried to pull on me at the track I spoke to Mike Laws at BLP so you can call him too. He told me the size that is allowed which accounts for all of the production variances that have occured on the 4412 throughout its production. If it doesn't fit their gauge it has been modified enough to effect performance, if their gauge says it's ok, it's ok and not going to make a difference in power, simple.. He then told me that MANY times people such as yourself will take a 4412, measure and make their own gauge only to discover that many carburetors measure differently than their example. He told me that he's had customers take brand new 4412's out of the box and have them fail tech at their local track because of this same thing. ......

What I think REALLY happened at the track that night was that you saw the car run very much better than before in the heat race and you never even considered that it just might be because I spent a LOT of time on engine development, not cheating. I am able to do things with an engine that are way beyond your ability to understand, sorry but that's the truth. You didn't like that or maybe your friends didn't who knows, but the man who checked the carburetor the first time that night (after the heat race) didn't find anything wrong of course because there was nothing wrong it was totally legal. You didn't like that so you came over and told all of us that it was ilegal which was 100% nonsense. Why you did this I'm not totally sure. I did my best to make the engine run as well as I could and I probably did more than 100 dyno pulls that year. I think it was making about 450 horsepower with a production Chevy head at that time I can't remember exactly. That very same exact 4412 won a feature at Benton MO the night before and was checked and then another at I-55 the next season. After that win it was removed from the engine and checked for throttle bore size as well as the size of the venturi and booster diameter, it passed, imagine that...

You went out of your way to defame me in front of my customers, friends, spectators as well as people who visit this forum and it isn't appreciated. At least Ray Marler called me and apologized to me for what he said but it was really all because of your charade that night at the track. You tried your best to label me as a cheater but really I know who the real cheater is and that's YOU Jim, you phony!
 
Blah Blah Blah It was illegal plain and simple, Spew whatever bullshit story you wish. Maybe you need to trade in your pointy tinfoil hat for a more modern skull cap type! The gauge that was/is used has been the standard for many years and was never a problem till you thought you were smart enough to try to pass one off that had been bored over, big time! Funny thing was that a guy that had been a tech helper for 3 months caught you!! Hahaha I guess we just threw names in a hat and decided to jack up a racer who was running hot and cold. Why would we single him out?
...and I highly doubt any called to apologize to you when we were told to throw you out along with your buddy who I believe was banned from the track in the first place. So crawl down off your cross now your not a victim, just another cheater that got caught.
 
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DaveMcLain said:
Ah bull crap Jim you protest too earnestly, too much because you know I"m the one telling the truth. That very same exact 4412 was inspected and measured by you yourself multiple times for at least two seasons before you suddenly just minutes before the feature found it to be illegal. The next week I called Ray Marler after your stunt and after enduring a moral lesson from him I got your number which I gave to Bob Oliver(Competition Carburetion Sun Valley NV) builder of the carburetor who then called you to find out what the problem was.... You used your wonderful people skills to assure him of your in-abilities as well as to confirm your nonsense at the track that night. You didn't know and could not tell him what the size of the hole in the booster should be on a 4412 so he told you... He (Bob) builds his carburetors to fit the industry standard gauge set from BLP. You too can call BLP just as I did after the crap you tried to pull on me at the track I spoke to Mike Laws at BLP so you can call him too. He told me the size that is allowed which accounts for all of the production variances that have occured on the 4412 throughout its production. If it doesn't fit their gauge it has been modified enough to effect performance, if their gauge says it's ok, it's ok and not going to make a difference in power, simple.. He then told me that MANY times people such as yourself will take a 4412, measure and make their own gauge only to discover that many carburetors measure differently than their example. He told me that he's had customers take brand new 4412's out of the box and have them fail tech at their local track because of this same thing. ......

What I think REALLY happened at the track that night was that you saw the car run very much better than before in the heat race and you never even considered that it just might be because I spent a LOT of time on engine development, not cheating. I am able to do things with an engine that are way beyond your ability to understand, sorry but that's the truth. You didn't like that or maybe your friends didn't who knows, but the man who checked the carburetor the first time that night (after the heat race) didn't find anything wrong of course because there was nothing wrong it was totally legal. You didn't like that so you came over and told all of us that it was ilegal which was 100% nonsense. Why you did this I'm not totally sure. I did my best to make the engine run as well as I could and I probably did more than 100 dyno pulls that year. I think it was making about 450 horsepower with a production Chevy head at that time I can't remember exactly. That very same exact 4412 won a feature at Benton MO the night before and was checked and then another at I-55 the next season. After that win it was removed from the engine and checked for throttle bore size as well as the size of the venturi and booster diameter, it passed, imagine that...

You went out of your way to defame me in front of my customers, friends, spectators as well as people who visit this forum and it isn't appreciated. At least Ray Marler called me and apologized to me for what he said but it was really all because of your charade that night at the track. You tried your best to label me as a cheater but really I know who the real cheater is and that's YOU Jim, you phony!
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Well i had this same happen years ago. 4412'carb right out of an autzone box new! Ran 3 yrs tech'd 10 times and deemed ok. Funny i ran way better one night than usual and walla. Illegal carb. Didnt replace it and was tech'd 4 other times later that year and was legal so i happens. How or why it happens is a whole other thread lol. I dont have an answer to that
 
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racin90 said:
Well i had this same happen years ago. 4412'carb right out of an autzone box new! Ran 3 yrs tech'd 10 times and deemed ok. Funny i ran way better one night than usual and walla. Illegal carb. Didnt replace it and was tech'd 4 other times later that year and was legal so i happens. How or why it happens is a whole other thread lol. I dont have an answer to that
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on another note others where running willey's and other modified carbs. Mine was almost the most bone stock carb out there at that time
 
The gauge was from BLP , so explain that one away ! The facts are that 1000's of carburetors have been check with that gauge and was never an issue until you got caught!! LMAO You never called me, no one called me other than Allied personnel who also were present and checked it also. You got caught so suck it up and go on snowflake, it's only been 5 years or so now! As to the other poser, were you right there when they checked your carb? did they hand you the gauge and say" here check it for yourself" Any I ever found I extended this courtesy to the car owner so that they could see for their selves. McClain is an out and out liar and a pretty poor cheater to boot!
 
Intake said:
The gauge was from BLP , so explain that one away ! The facts are that 1000's of carburetors have been check with that gauge and was never an issue until you got caught!! LMAO You never called me, no one called me other than Allied personnel who also were present and checked it also. You got caught so suck it up and go on snowflake, it's only been 5 years or so now! As to the other poser, were you right there when they checked your carb? did they hand you the gauge and say" here check it for yourself" Any I ever found I extended this courtesy to the car owner so that they could see for their selves. McClain is an out and out liar and a pretty poor cheater to boot!
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Yes. I was right there and not being a poser. Just saying its happened too me.
 
racin90 said:
Happened on my brothers car as well at tri city
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Was a stock 4412 right out of the box carb. All we did was slide 82 jets in and let her eat we didnt protest either time but that carb later was reteched and deemed legal
 
Intake said:
The gauge was from BLP , so explain that one away ! The facts are that 1000's of carburetors have been check with that gauge and was never an issue until you got caught!! LMAO You never called me, no one called me other than Allied personnel who also were present and checked it also. You got caught so suck it up and go on snowflake, it's only been 5 years or so now! As to the other poser, were you right there when they checked your carb? did they hand you the gauge and say" here check it for yourself" Any I ever found I extended this courtesy to the car owner so that they could see for their selves. McClain is an out and out liar and a pretty poor cheater to boot!
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And im not getting in pissin match with anyone. Im just stating its happened to others. By the way after my brothers deal we contacted the track who referred us to ump and we wanted to buy a set pf gauges ourselves to check other carbs we had. Well that resulted in alot of " well each track makes their own gauges". Which my reply was "ok so how do i know their gauges are the same as other tracks?" Crickets is what i heard lol. They at ump had no answer but i did find out most tracks use several gauges. One in case they lose another set or are testing alot of cars that night especially if a ump official is there. Well i later found out some tracks had machine shops build them. This was years ago so its probably different as more companies make the gauges now but back then it was up to each track to get one. Was it legal? Were all the gauges machined right? Well ill say this- were i work i can send a blueprint to get hubs made and out of 8-3 of them will need remachined. These are close tolerance hubs and need .003 clearance. It happens and as i said no ill will here but it does happen
 
http://blp.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=78_201&products_id=932 Here's the gauge set, I don't see any variations in size like McClain claims!


HOLLEY CARBURETOR SPECIFICATIONS:
Venturi Bore 1.373 - 1.377
Throttle Bore 1.6855 - 1.6856
Booster O.D. .620 (+ or -) .010
Combined Throttle Shaft & Plate .1868 - .2008
Booster I.D .380 (+or- .003)


Here's the actual specs, for anyone that doesn't deal in decimals, the largest tolerance on the bores is less than a human hair, no if and or buts. Allied's gauges meet these standards no matter what McClain would like anyone to believe. .


The parts I make in my shop are made mostly to closer tolerances than these gauges and they are close. After years of machining parts for multi million dollar machines the thought of being wrong with a no go gauge on a penny ante Holley 2 bbl cracks me up!
 
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