? For don hoener

minis vs. pro 4's

fulton ran hornets and minis this past year. it was pretty good racin.
i know one night a mini beat em all his first night at the track. both classes put on a good show so why not let em run together some night.
i know mcs didnt like the fwd's there, because they rutted the track and broke alot of wheels when they were allowed there. but it would be cool to have a spec. show sometime during the year minis vs pro 4 and hornets. like they have for late models mars vs ump and such.
 
well said majik...
if they are so bad fast then why are they worried about letting us run? We paid our dues now just let us run. If the pro-4's are so fast, then it shouldn't matter if we run our rules or yours. Your right we may get our tail handed to us but all we are looking for is a place to race. We raced at fredericktown over the summer with the pro 4's and i will admit, we got our ***** handed to us...but it was a place to race and have fun so we really didn't care.
Not everyone has a set of street tires laying around so its hard to go out and buy some if you only get to run one show. Just let us run our rules and have fun. We aren't racing to beat and bang we just want a place to get some seat time.
 
I'm sure the mini stock drivers are a great group of people. I was wrong to generalize; my comment was directed mostly at racer#10. I take it personal when people assume the front runners in our class cheat! I try to prove every week that you can be successful in the Pro-4/Factory Stock/Hornet class with a stock motor. Anyone that spends any time in my shop and at the track with me knows it can be done. I feel that the more people that realize this the more that will get into racing. I agree UMP is screwing the Mini guys at the Round-Up and they screwed the twin cam cars last year.

MajikJak said:
Shaw, i think you are full of yourself. Have you ever talked to the ministock drivers? They are some of the most down-to-earth nicest people i've ever talked to. So, SHAW, I can tell you that a 212K "original mile motor" in your saturn should not be that fast.... Don't dog on the MiniStock drivers because they run a different set of rules.
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Shaw18 Racing said:
I'm sure the mini stock drivers are a great group of people. I was wrong to generalize; my comment was directed mostly at racer#10. I take it personal when people assume the front runners in our class cheat! I try to prove every week that you can be successful in the Pro-4/Factory Stock/Hornet class with a stock motor. Anyone that spends any time in my shop and at the track with me knows it can be done. I feel that the more people that realize this the more that will get into racing. I agree UMP is screwing the Mini guys at the Round-Up and they screwed the twin cam cars last year.
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Shaw your car is I do belive is stock, but some are souped up. I was standing next to the car that won the championship last year an it sure sounded like it had a hot cam to me. An did that same car with a rookie driver ( STAR] finish ahead of you a few times this tear?
 
Exactly!!

crash9 said:
UMP really shouldn't have sanctioned you guys in the first place. The only rule really in the beginning was street tires only and you guys have never had that. But that is UMPs fault as they don't know what rules are. You guys were willing to pay the membership, and UMP isn't gonna deny your money.

I do have a problem here though. The same people that are angered over UMP opening up rules for another class, are now angered because UMP won't open up rules for another.

BTW, I do agree with you though on the B-mods, they shouldn't be opened up so much that the only difference is a 2 barrel.
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UMP should NEVER have taken their money and ran!! In my opinion, they should all get their freakin' money back. WHAT A JOKE!!!

And as far as you having a problem w/why people are angered...that's their exact point! It's complete & total BS that UMP will open up the rules for the Limited Modified class but not for the 4-cylinders. THAT is the reason people are SOOOO angry!! WHAT A CROCK!!
 
so what's the scoop mr. hoener? are we going to get to run our rules or are we staying home? We would love to come race and have a good time but we don't have the parts to conform. If its that big of an issue, we won't take our money for where we finish. Any answer would be appreciated. thank you
 
I say leave the 4 cylinder stuff as is..

Now this is just a hypothetical thought... Lets say the Round Up was being held at hmmm, lets say Doe Run Raceway. Doe Run officials would have the rules they run the B-mods by. If they opened the B-mods up to say alcohol,maybe some of the Doe Run b-mods might be upset? maybe for changing the rules they have been racing all season by? Since I-55 does not run b-mods its easy to change,open or totally disregard any rules for the b-mods. A little different when you take the 4 cylinder rules that the track has followed all season(except the Nationals and the night they opened the the single ohc rule up) and change them. On another note, if mini stocks were allowed to race , would they be subject to the claim rule I-55 uses??
 
Well, here's another way to look at it. If the round up is the same as last year, it's not an I-55 show, the track is leased by UMP and its a UMP show. So, I don't think that track preferences should be an issue. I'm pretty sure that if UMP leased Doe Run Raceway, UMP would still do what they want, which I haven't figured out what that is yet.

Oh well, it doesn't matter, this show was pretty much a bust last year and the joke just has a little different punch line this year. :rolleyes:

Come on Short Track Nationals!:D
 
Hey Jon, I looked in the little round up competition guide that I got in the mail and there doesn't seem to be a claim rule in the 4 cylinder class. I guess UMP didn't want to deal with that either.
 
WingsRock said:
Hey Jon, I looked in the little round up competition guide that I got in the mail and there doesn't seem to be a claim rule in the 4 cylinder class. I guess UMP didn't want to deal with that either.
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Looks that way on he Round up web site also. I should have read them closer and it would not been a question, kinda like the weight jack,Holley carbs and race tire questions that have surfaced in the last couple of days. Basically, its up to who wants to give something up at their own expense, nothing new to racing. Have fun at the Nationals.
 
I personally don't blame the pro4 guys for not wanting to race against the ministocks on one of the few nights that those guys have a chance to actually race for money. But when you have UMP opening up the rules in one class to allow any and all variations to come compete and one class that they are leaving out completely, I think that this shows how wishy washy UMP is. They didn't care what the B-Mod guys thought, why would they care what the 4cylinder guys think? At the very least, run the ministocks as their own class. I know this isn't really an option this late considering that the round up is supposed to start tomorrow and I'm sure UMP doesn't want to mess with two 4 cylinder classes.
 
Mark, its all about $$$. If the Pro-4 guys want a payout bad enough they will race at a track that pays and follow the rules accordingly. We know what UMP is looking after, $$$ . In any case the mini stock guys have till March to politic for the cause now.
 
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