well put, if i'd a just went down one more spot, you said it right.
Just a simple request for the future....
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wackymac19
Member
If you start 9 cars in the dash. Why won't you redrawn 9 cars. Seems somebody getting s.c.r.e.w.e.d if you didnt !! They all made the dash.
In the old days fast guys started in the back. Mid years inverted top 12.
KNOw matter what you do not everybody going to be happy.
In the old days fast guys started in the back. Mid years inverted top 12.
KNOw matter what you do not everybody going to be happy.
If you start 9 cars in the dash. Why won't you redrawn 9 cars. Seems somebody getting s.c.r.e.w.e.d if you didnt !! They all made the dash.
In the old days fast guys started in the back. Mid years inverted top 12.
KNOw matter what you do not everybody going to be happy.
I know what you mean but if a guy is in the dash he gets a chance to improve his position or lose positions by racing, not be drawing. My point is its one thing to race and go from 1st to 9th but its another to draw and lose that many spots, especially with only 15 laps in the feature to move past the fastest cars.
And the "old days" are old days. Equipment is far more expensive now and the payouts are the same as the "old days"........haha.
You are also right in the fact that you can't please everybody, we all know thats true, but most of the people on here against the redraw are associated with cars that race at Pevely every week. Either way, I'm still going to race their but just my opinion, take it or leave it.
Dave
wackymac19
Member
I like the dash too.........so your preaching to the choir BUT.......its what it is we just got to go on !!!
Thanks for the input ... Food for thought !!
Dash should be (should BE) back this week
Thanks for the input ... Food for thought !!
Dash should be (should BE) back this week
Yeah, man if only I would have thought about that.
"I think they should draw the top 5 in passing points if they insist on doing a "redraw" or make our feature 20 laps. "
Dave
moonflow
BIRKY!!!
Hey Jack Off....I was at the WoO show for both nights, and when Ray Marler was on the front stretch talking, I got his attention and gave him kudos for two excellent nights of racing. You need to pull your head out of your ***** and realize the difference between complaining, and constructive criticism.
Once again, you accuse me of bashing the track, taking the thread off course, and wasting everyone's time with your attitude problem and obvious dislike for me for one reason or another. Since all the time, you do nothing but troll for my posts and then make ignorant snide remarks about me.
Mystic Missile
Member
Dashes/Handicapping
I'll give my two cents on this topic from my New England perspective.
While the dashes are better than starting the cars headsup from the heat races and they also produce some of the best racing of the night--unless some of the fast cars have poor pill draws--I dislike having the fast cars start up front.
Many tracks in New England employ handicapping--a certain number of cars from each heat (normally the top 5) are given their starting position based on the amount of $ won the past three weeks. The more money won the poorer the starting position--most money would be 15th (based on three heat races), second most money 15th while the least amount of money would put you on the pole.
So if there are three heat races the first 15 cars are handicapped--it puts the cars that have done the best over the most recent period of time at the back and forces them to pass cars in the feature. There are other rules involved--if a driver has won a feature in the current season they can not start on the front row no matter how poor their last three races and if a driver was not in attendance any of the last three races they are credited with first place money for handicapping purposes.
I understand that the driver's preference is to start as close to the front as possible and that equipment can be torn up working your way through the field. Also, all the tracks I can think of had double file restarts for the entire race (or at least until around five laps to go). Track conditions on dirt are certainly different on dirt than asphalt and there are times that even if the trailing car is faster there may not be a way around the car in front (and I don't want to get involved in the slide job argument).
I also realize that drivers attend different tracks on a weekly basis--even though Randy Korte was leading the points at I-55 two weeks ago he went to Highland because they were paying more to win. I don't know what the track point funds are in this area but it seemed that there is more of an emphasis on track championships in New England (and part of this may be because of the NASCAR Weekly Racing Sereis--I know that money is contributed to the points fund above and beyond what the track contributes).
The point I'm trying to make here is that a driver who is showing up at a track for the first time will be forced to start at the back of the pack based on the handicapping (for a regular show, I would think a different format would be used for a 'Special' show).
I haven't looked at any statistics but my guess is that a smaller percentage of drivers attend every race at their 'hometrack' (wherever they've decided to run for points) in the Mid West vs New England (and that is also attributable to the number of race tracks as well as common rules especially if sanctioned by UMP).
This is just my opinion--and while I admit that I prefer handicapping (or an invert--anything to put the quicker cars in the rear) to putting the fast cars in the front (whether it be via a headsup format from heats or time trials or dashes) I'm certainly not suggesting that the tracks in the area switch their format. I realize that if I don't like it then I don't have to go, but I enjoy racing as a whole and am not going to let the format used keep from going to the races.
Dan Nelson
I'll give my two cents on this topic from my New England perspective.
While the dashes are better than starting the cars headsup from the heat races and they also produce some of the best racing of the night--unless some of the fast cars have poor pill draws--I dislike having the fast cars start up front.
Many tracks in New England employ handicapping--a certain number of cars from each heat (normally the top 5) are given their starting position based on the amount of $ won the past three weeks. The more money won the poorer the starting position--most money would be 15th (based on three heat races), second most money 15th while the least amount of money would put you on the pole.
So if there are three heat races the first 15 cars are handicapped--it puts the cars that have done the best over the most recent period of time at the back and forces them to pass cars in the feature. There are other rules involved--if a driver has won a feature in the current season they can not start on the front row no matter how poor their last three races and if a driver was not in attendance any of the last three races they are credited with first place money for handicapping purposes.
I understand that the driver's preference is to start as close to the front as possible and that equipment can be torn up working your way through the field. Also, all the tracks I can think of had double file restarts for the entire race (or at least until around five laps to go). Track conditions on dirt are certainly different on dirt than asphalt and there are times that even if the trailing car is faster there may not be a way around the car in front (and I don't want to get involved in the slide job argument).
I also realize that drivers attend different tracks on a weekly basis--even though Randy Korte was leading the points at I-55 two weeks ago he went to Highland because they were paying more to win. I don't know what the track point funds are in this area but it seemed that there is more of an emphasis on track championships in New England (and part of this may be because of the NASCAR Weekly Racing Sereis--I know that money is contributed to the points fund above and beyond what the track contributes).
The point I'm trying to make here is that a driver who is showing up at a track for the first time will be forced to start at the back of the pack based on the handicapping (for a regular show, I would think a different format would be used for a 'Special' show).
I haven't looked at any statistics but my guess is that a smaller percentage of drivers attend every race at their 'hometrack' (wherever they've decided to run for points) in the Mid West vs New England (and that is also attributable to the number of race tracks as well as common rules especially if sanctioned by UMP).
This is just my opinion--and while I admit that I prefer handicapping (or an invert--anything to put the quicker cars in the rear) to putting the fast cars in the front (whether it be via a headsup format from heats or time trials or dashes) I'm certainly not suggesting that the tracks in the area switch their format. I realize that if I don't like it then I don't have to go, but I enjoy racing as a whole and am not going to let the format used keep from going to the races.
Dan Nelson
Been There Done That
Member
What is exciting about putting the fast cars on the front row and watch him check out from the field?
I remember about 8 or 9 years ago when they qualified and then went straight to the dash, with the winner getting the pole in the feature. Every feature that year except one was won from the front row.
dirtfanatic
New Member
dashes
ok here is my 2 cents on the subject of dashes if it's not broken don't fix it it's just fine the way it is please don't take away the dashe's. the redraw is not a way to fix anything that's just the luck of the draw. I don't know who's idea this is but i think they need to rethink this, because it's a BAD idea.
ok here is my 2 cents on the subject of dashes if it's not broken don't fix it it's just fine the way it is please don't take away the dashe's. the redraw is not a way to fix anything that's just the luck of the draw. I don't know who's idea this is but i think they need to rethink this, because it's a BAD idea.
jmcgrew47
Active Member
Robin Hood/Liberal Racing
Punish those who are successful and reward those who are not.
If the transponders were more dependable, I'd say take qualifying times during hot laps. Unfortunately, Hot laps would often take forever due to faulty transponders so that's not a viable option at this time.
If you want to eliminate dashes, fine. That should lead to better track conditions during features. Why redraw 9 though? Kind of an odd number. I'd say redraw the top 6 or top 8. Then you're redrawing 3 or 4 complete rows instead of 4 1/2 rows.
Additionally, I'd like to see the Delaware double file instituted with one stipulation. Per caution there can only be one attempted Delaware restart. If upon the first attempted restart they fail to complete a lap, any additional restarts must be single file until another lap is finally completed. Basicly, no more than one attempted Delaware restart per official lap.
Any thoughts?
so if the take the dashes out are they going to raise the top 9 pay out finishing orders in the feature because we get paid for the dashes
michael_scott
New Member
They won't change the pay out if they get rid of the dashes. They will say the money from the dashes go into the point fund and then the point fund pay outs won't change either.
They need to focus more on presenting an exciting show in a format that lets people see what they paid to see in a timely manner and not have to set for hours enduring what amounts to club racing.
Charging more for less excitment will result in a lot of empty seats in the future.
Charging more for less excitment will result in a lot of empty seats in the future.
dirt hound
Registered User
yep I55 has just boring racing evey weekend NOT
I'LL TAKE DIXON
Member
been there,done that
Whats exciting about putting fast cars on the front row? You have no choice in that. Have you ever seen a slow car get enough passsing points to make the dash, and then finish 1st or 2nd in the dash no those cars are called fast cars!!!!
Whats exciting about putting fast cars on the front row? You have no choice in that. Have you ever seen a slow car get enough passsing points to make the dash, and then finish 1st or 2nd in the dash no those cars are called fast cars!!!!
Whats exciting about putting fast cars on the front row? You have no choice in that. Have you ever seen a slow car get enough passsing points to make the dash, and then finish 1st or 2nd in the dash no those cars are called fast cars!!!!
How long ago was it that Rich Lawson won the dash? If I remember right it was not a push over field either. Was it 3 weeks ago when Sharp had one helluva night? What about the year Jim Morrison won the dash at the Pepsi Nationals? Those are just a few but it happens almost every weekend, someone or someones is in the dash that would normally not be there.
