dalesrfanandy
THE LIGHTNING OUTLAW
i would not pay to post i dont post that much anyway
Proposed changes to STLRacing.com user accounts to help with rediculous posts!
- Thread starter jdearing
- Start date
28jracer
Joe Prince
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It's not about posting your opinion. Everyone is entitled to posting their opinion on something. But, what people have forgotten, is that before they can even have an opinion... they need to know the facts in which to base that opinion off of.
There were many instances on here where the fine line between opinion and personal attack was crossed. There were threats made. All of this by idiots hiding behind screen names. These same people probably couldn't even fight the wind if it blew in their direction.
Opinions, good-natured fun and the LOVE of auto racing is what this site is for. Not how much you hate a driver, track, promoter or racing organization. These same complainers complain... err... voice their opinion, about how mauch they hate a particular track, yet they continue to go every week and then get on here and bash the promoter, certain drivers, the sanctioning body or whatever.
It gets old. It gets ugly (as it has here lately). Something needs to be done and I am sure Jimmy will come up with something.
What are we trying to do protect some peoples feeling, I mean come on everyone has an opinion and if they choose to voice it about a concern or comment you made, well all I can say is you put yourself out there, if you are looking for everyone to agree with you, well thats not gonna happen.
So what we are trying to do is protect people's feelings so if they say something about someone or something, we shouldnt jump in and voice our opinion and how we feel for fear I might hurt your feelings.
I am sorry guys I just don't get it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's not about posting your opinion. Everyone is entitled to posting their opinion on something. But, what people have forgotten, is that before they can even have an opinion... they need to know the facts in which to base that opinion off of.
There were many instances on here where the fine line between opinion and personal attack was crossed. There were threats made. All of this by idiots hiding behind screen names. These same people probably couldn't even fight the wind if it blew in their direction.
Opinions, good-natured fun and the LOVE of auto racing is what this site is for. Not how much you hate a driver, track, promoter or racing organization. These same complainers complain... err... voice their opinion, about how mauch they hate a particular track, yet they continue to go every week and then get on here and bash the promoter, certain drivers, the sanctioning body or whatever.
It gets old. It gets ugly (as it has here lately). Something needs to be done and I am sure Jimmy will come up with something.
upsidedown
mINNIE
$10 Fee
I would gladly pay a one time a year fee to use this site. Through post an P M I have saved at least $90 on INFO about races postphoned thus saving me the trip to the track this spring . John Heitman
I would gladly pay a one time a year fee to use this site. Through post an P M I have saved at least $90 on INFO about races postphoned thus saving me the trip to the track this spring . John Heitman
kingeddy
Mean Old Ignorant Bastard
mr ump #25
New Member
one more comment
I have one more comment to say on this subject, I really dont care if I have to pay or not, thats not the issue here. The issue from what I am reading is that they don't like some of the things that people say about or to other people. Guys and Gals thats your rights your talking about.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
— The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
Who is to say that your opinion is valid or not, i have read everyone of thses post and for the most part I am hearing that people are saying things towards other people that is durogitory and most of you dont like that. Maybe those people don't like what you have to say and maybe you shouldn't have the right to talk, you all see where I am going here. If someone physically threated someone with harm, well first of all if thier hidding behind a screen name there full of hot air anyways. But I am sure Jimmy has the authority to close those people out and if they threaten again close them out again.
But to try and stop people from voicing there opinion, whether you agree with it or not, you should not have the right to stop that. Even if you deem it bashing a person or a speedway, you don't have the right to shut off there opinion.
SORRY GUYS AND GALS I JUST DONT GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have one more comment to say on this subject, I really dont care if I have to pay or not, thats not the issue here. The issue from what I am reading is that they don't like some of the things that people say about or to other people. Guys and Gals thats your rights your talking about.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
— The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
Who is to say that your opinion is valid or not, i have read everyone of thses post and for the most part I am hearing that people are saying things towards other people that is durogitory and most of you dont like that. Maybe those people don't like what you have to say and maybe you shouldn't have the right to talk, you all see where I am going here. If someone physically threated someone with harm, well first of all if thier hidding behind a screen name there full of hot air anyways. But I am sure Jimmy has the authority to close those people out and if they threaten again close them out again.
But to try and stop people from voicing there opinion, whether you agree with it or not, you should not have the right to stop that. Even if you deem it bashing a person or a speedway, you don't have the right to shut off there opinion.
SORRY GUYS AND GALS I JUST DONT GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
28jracer
Joe Prince
Rights
Every one has the right to express their opinion just like we have the right to vote.
But, even when exercising our right to vote... you must show identification.
If you are gonna express your opinion, get out from behind your screen name and do so (not directed at anyone in particular).
If you are man/woman enough to stand up for these rights... then proudly show your name. Even our soldiers who gave us these rights... proudly wear their name on the front of their uniform.
One right that is often overlooked... and more people should heed... is their "right to remain silent."
The second part of these particular rights (Miranda) are that "anything you say or do can be held against you." The Miranda Warning is most commenly used when making arrests... but is is based off of the constititional right to free speach and applies in other situations as well.
Free speach isn't really free. You have the right to say whatever you want, so long as you assume the right to be held accountable to what you say.
Anonymous screen names have no rights.
Every one has the right to express their opinion just like we have the right to vote.
But, even when exercising our right to vote... you must show identification.
If you are gonna express your opinion, get out from behind your screen name and do so (not directed at anyone in particular).
If you are man/woman enough to stand up for these rights... then proudly show your name. Even our soldiers who gave us these rights... proudly wear their name on the front of their uniform.
One right that is often overlooked... and more people should heed... is their "right to remain silent."
The second part of these particular rights (Miranda) are that "anything you say or do can be held against you." The Miranda Warning is most commenly used when making arrests... but is is based off of the constititional right to free speach and applies in other situations as well.
Free speach isn't really free. You have the right to say whatever you want, so long as you assume the right to be held accountable to what you say.
Anonymous screen names have no rights.
moonflow
BIRKY!!!
You forget one important detail. "You have the right to remain silent. If you should waive this right, anything you say can be held against you IN A COURT OF LAW." Miranda rights are for those suspected and/or charged with a crime, not for those who voice their opinion, either on the web or elsewhere. The view you take is that of a vigelante, which is against the law. We have too many people who, for whatever reason, feel the need to take it beyond the web. It has been going on for some time, but recent events broke the camel's back. The steps that Mr. Dearing is implementing is for him to better track and curb this behavior.
mike44
Member
Free speech is one thing but a website owner reserves the right to allow or disallow any content he or she decides to in an attempt to keep their site clean and friendly. I guess if some people don't agree with that they're free to start their own website and allow people to say whatever they want any way they want to. We all know that there are some posters here who do nothing but agitate. There is a way to get a point across without personally attacking the poster of the opinion that one disagrees with. Some here need to learn that skill.
ohsomthin
ohsomthin
Well
I am not about the payment but ther sholud be a way to verify who you are at least to the meadator. Some of these posts really do get to some serious bashing and should be banned . However some of it is good stuff, its not the inquirer but i do enjoy readin some of it. And when i do post some really raw stuff i will put mu name to it , Thanks Jimmy for all that you provide here Tom Filkins just to removwe all dought lol
I am not about the payment but ther sholud be a way to verify who you are at least to the meadator. Some of these posts really do get to some serious bashing and should be banned . However some of it is good stuff, its not the inquirer but i do enjoy readin some of it. And when i do post some really raw stuff i will put mu name to it , Thanks Jimmy for all that you provide here Tom Filkins just to removwe all dought lol
43pety
THE GRANITE ROCKET
I dont have anyproblem paying to belong to this site, but If I pay then I should have the right to voice my feelings on anything I want, not to be cencerd, or the way I type (which isnt very good) or if I misspell any words,You are going to make people mad nomatter what ya do.Maybe hve a post on here for ADULTS ONLY!! then let people go on there an really let people know how you feel. Pat Harper #44
moonflow
BIRKY!!!
You are right on the mark. Users do need to remember that they agreed to and must abide by the TOS.
kingeddy
Mean Old Ignorant Bastard
Even though I would gladly pay it, I really don't think that $10 will help with the riff-raff your trying to eliminate. It would probably fuel their fire more by giving them the sense that they have paid $10 and have earned the right to post anything they want. True identities would stop the whole problem. If you don't want your true identity known, don't join the sight.
Also Jimmy, this is your sight. You have the right to limit/terminate/control membership. Start booting some of these yahoos off and locking them out (publish the names of who they are too, so that the rest of us can see you mean business) and the nonesense will stop.
king
Also Jimmy, this is your sight. You have the right to limit/terminate/control membership. Start booting some of these yahoos off and locking them out (publish the names of who they are too, so that the rest of us can see you mean business) and the nonesense will stop.
king
HMRT MotorSports
Late Models & 1/4 Midgets
The problem hes is faced with is that if were to ban someone from here there is no way to block them..they just sign up under a different screen name and email addy, i can log into my internet provider and change my email anytime i feel free to or add a addy any time!!! So the only way to get rid off the riff raff is for them to give up personal information with a CC,the info of the card holder cant be changed,no matter what card they have the true Id will be on it!!!!!!
bigrightrear
Member
Jimmy won't do that. Even if he wanted to, by law, I don't believe he's allowed to.
1dirtracefan2
New Member
can't we all just get along
TCS "Beer Girl"
Another valuable mouth.
Get along?
Why would anyone read any of this if everyone was getting along? Crack me up; entirely too entertaining!!! I love it.
Why would anyone read any of this if everyone was getting along? Crack me up; entirely too entertaining!!! I love it.
OMG I knew Elvis was still alive. I think I saw you at QT the other day. Elvis that is
Tracy you are right I am a shady Character... But you love me anyway
Racinfan83
Member
I do not think a "fee" for the site will do any good.
I am a member of a car-related forum that I am on every day. This forum is supported only by donations of it's members. There are no ads on the site. Each section on the site has one or two moderators online at any time. There are strict rules about "vendor bashing", "political posts", "member bashing", etc. If you post up something that is deemed to not be within the rules of the site - (judgement call by the moderator) you get a private message and the post or thread gets deleted by the mod.
These sites are owned by private individuals - just like this one - and they have the right to decide what the rules will be and what will and won't be posted on their site. "Free speech" doesn't apply on a privately owned site. If you click the "I agree to abide by the site rules" button when you register - you agree to follow the rules or face the consequences of your actions.
My suggestion would be for Jimmy to appoint some reliable moderators to police each section. These persons would be someone who Jimmy knows to be reliable, fair, and able to make good judgement calls. Then - have a box that makes everyone re-register when they log in and recheck the "I agree to the rules of the site" box. If they don't read the rules and get booted - their problem.
I don't visit the site every day any more - but I think it is one of the most valuable assets to the local racing community. I know I don't have the time to attend races every week anymore due to other commitments, but I always check this site to get the weekly results and such. I know Jimmy puts in a bunch of time every day to keep this site up. What ever he makes is fine with me. I think the rules need to be updated and there needs to be some good moderators, and that people who post up unfactual garbage on here about other people should get their posts deleted until they figure out how to be nice and play by the rules.......JMO
I am a member of a car-related forum that I am on every day. This forum is supported only by donations of it's members. There are no ads on the site. Each section on the site has one or two moderators online at any time. There are strict rules about "vendor bashing", "political posts", "member bashing", etc. If you post up something that is deemed to not be within the rules of the site - (judgement call by the moderator) you get a private message and the post or thread gets deleted by the mod.
These sites are owned by private individuals - just like this one - and they have the right to decide what the rules will be and what will and won't be posted on their site. "Free speech" doesn't apply on a privately owned site. If you click the "I agree to abide by the site rules" button when you register - you agree to follow the rules or face the consequences of your actions.
My suggestion would be for Jimmy to appoint some reliable moderators to police each section. These persons would be someone who Jimmy knows to be reliable, fair, and able to make good judgement calls. Then - have a box that makes everyone re-register when they log in and recheck the "I agree to the rules of the site" box. If they don't read the rules and get booted - their problem.
I don't visit the site every day any more - but I think it is one of the most valuable assets to the local racing community. I know I don't have the time to attend races every week anymore due to other commitments, but I always check this site to get the weekly results and such. I know Jimmy puts in a bunch of time every day to keep this site up. What ever he makes is fine with me. I think the rules need to be updated and there needs to be some good moderators, and that people who post up unfactual garbage on here about other people should get their posts deleted until they figure out how to be nice and play by the rules.......JMO
wheel spinner
Member
To be allowed to post on this board is a privilage not a "right".
To those who site "Freedom of Speech" you should remember that freedom of speech ends were private property begins and is limited by laws of disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace, slander and libel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slander, and others. As this forom is the property of J. Dearing, he not only has the authority to define what is disorderly or disturbing but also the authority to remove the disorderly or disturbing members and the responsibility to remove any libelous statements.
Allowing obnoxious post to continue would be at the risk of loseing a larger part of the membership. ( just like allowing drivers who are set on destruction on the race track)
Some people need to be 'Black Flagged' from this site for rough posting and given a week or a year off. But because it is so easy to sneak back in somekind of 'verify' should be done.
Ebay has reputation score. Paypal has verification.
To earn the privilage to post on this discussion module of this board, one should have reputation, verification, or sponsorship (the extension of another's reputation). We are automatically cordial when we take our masks off. Most of us are.
If new members had their post previewed and approved before displayed then much of this problem would disappear.
To those who site "Freedom of Speech" you should remember that freedom of speech ends were private property begins and is limited by laws of disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace, slander and libel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slander, and others. As this forom is the property of J. Dearing, he not only has the authority to define what is disorderly or disturbing but also the authority to remove the disorderly or disturbing members and the responsibility to remove any libelous statements.
Allowing obnoxious post to continue would be at the risk of loseing a larger part of the membership. ( just like allowing drivers who are set on destruction on the race track)
Some people need to be 'Black Flagged' from this site for rough posting and given a week or a year off. But because it is so easy to sneak back in somekind of 'verify' should be done.
Ebay has reputation score. Paypal has verification.
To earn the privilage to post on this discussion module of this board, one should have reputation, verification, or sponsorship (the extension of another's reputation). We are automatically cordial when we take our masks off. Most of us are.
If new members had their post previewed and approved before displayed then much of this problem would disappear.
