rip crate late models

Intake said:
The first and foremost problem I see is allowing the engine into the racers hands before it is truly sealed. I just can't seem to understand how it is called a crate engine if every Tom , Dick , and Harry are allowed to crack them open. I may be traversing a slippery slope here but I would be comfortable challenging anyone to get by the seals on an Allied crate engine that I have sealed without being found out. You can buy all the GM bolts from E-Bay that you like but I don't think you'll get around our seals.
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But the integrity of a program like this can only go as far as the trust of the people in charge of the program. If the people doing the "Sealing" of the motors are the same people that will not allow other cars to be checked by tech men because they "Know they are legal." it raises questions of the true security of the entire program. When those people also dictate the rules and addition or deletion of parts to be run with that motor program, legal and approved or not approved by boards or sanctioning bodies.
 
If someone does not grow a pair and start teching and I mean really teching with someone that knows what he's or they are doing this class will be no different then the other classes. The cost is getting way out of hand and now not even affordable to those that thought it would be.. Shocks are another big problem. Have a set of rules and check these cars and once someone is found to illegal ban them for the rest of the year. If the track does not then UMP needs to pull their sanction.. If they don't want to do this then let them run what they brung and watch the class die right before eyes.
 
I think lowering the prices on the claims for motors/shocks on all classes would be very helpful for the sport and would bring back a lot of racers and even the playing field at the same time. Just like back in the day if you're gunna build it big and dump a ton of money in it you knew that some one could pick up that pricey motor for $500 and then your stuck with whatever they had. Bring back the lower $$$ claims and the racers need to start growing a pair and start claiming, the sport would go back like it use to be.
 
Nothing but lowering fuel prices can change this economy. Everything revolves around fuel. Manufacturing to heating and retail. Change that and there will be more money for people to race on. As far as crates. I feel keep them sealed and run a hard tire. Shocks shouldn't be regulated. Shocks make a difference but a good base set is all you need. Too many adjust themselves out of a good race car. Cheating the engines up is what needed stopped, probably too late in our area now to go back. People tried including myself, but knew what was being done. Easier to just buy an ok motor or like myself a 525ct and get paid super money.
 
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UMP should be taking motors apart and teching them. Only way to catch all cheaters. They had two replacement motors to do this with before the Seal deal. The year before the seals came out UMP did not check one motor. Cheaters had to be jumping with joy. Catch a few front runners cheating and watch the cheating decline. And when you catch them cheating put it on every racing site on the net and suspend them for a year. Now who wants to cheat?
 
I like the track claim idea. I seen Marty Smith claim a guys motor a Belleville one night and they made him jump through all kinds of hoops to do it. Ralph Joseph was practically begging him not to claim it....why I don't know. I think people shy away from it because sometimes its an unpopular thing with the track not just the driver...depending on who u are claiming.
 
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westlingracing said:
Nothing but lowering fuel prices can change this economy. Everything revolves around fuel. Manufacturing to heating and retail. Change that and there will be more money for people to race on. As far as crates. I feel keep them sealed and run a hard tire. Shocks shouldn't be regulated. Shocks make a difference but a good base set is all you need. Too many adjust themselves out of a good race car. Cheating the engines up is what needed stopped, probably too late in our area now to go back. People tried including myself, but knew what was being done. Easier to just buy an ok motor or like myself a 525ct and get paid super money.
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I agree with everything you say but the shock rule. When guys are buying 700.00 per shock it has to make a difference and then you know how it is if Johnny has it then I must get it as well.
 
kreke13 said:
UMP should be taking motors apart and teching them. Only way to catch all cheaters. They had two replacement motors to do this with before the Seal deal. The year before the seals came out UMP did not check one motor. Cheaters had to be jumping with joy. Catch a few front runners cheating and watch the cheating decline. And when you catch them cheating put it on every racing site on the net and suspend them for a year. Now who wants to cheat?
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Now this guy gets it. I agree catch the cheaters and let every track know it and ban them for a year. This will get everyone's attention and if it doesn't then you will get rid of them one by one.
 
A good mid range shock is fine for a weekly guy. I got some nice shocks on my cars and I rarely adjust them. And know some big guys that never adjust them. I'd much rather just spend money on new tires on a regurlar basis. Let the guy spend a ton, I'd spend it somewhere else (tires). In my opinion anyway.
 
No doubt they needed to stop the cheating back in 2007-2010 and it would be going strong today around here. Some places are still goin strong with crates. Probably because of rules enforcement.
 
westlingracing said:
No doubt they needed to stop the cheating back in 2007-2010 and it would be going strong today around here. Some places are still goin strong with crates. Probably because of rules enforcement.
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Yeah it's kind of funny how some areas crates are doing better then others. I guess the same could be said for supers and mods as well. Just kind of to figure out why that is.
 
Yea Pretty much wasting their money. Could get by with a good base shock thats not adjustable. Maybe a set of 6 for certain conditions. But thats just my experiance. I'm no superstar but I got a pretty good handle on shocks.
 
It the tires mainly. And having everything all freed up. Like good birdcages link bars ect. Big thing now is spindle changes and front end settings.
 
I had a late model driver that has been racing for many many years tell me last night. They need to pay a little more in this class and start checking this cars and get the cheating under control and they will see their car counts go up because the supers are about done because of the sheer cost of running one. He said yes you will have your traveling series but, as far as weekly probably not. He said yes some tracks say they are doing just fine because they are getting 20 cars but, just a year or two ago they were getting almost 30 so, 20 this year then 15 the next and so on and before you know they will only have 10
 
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