21racer4life
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Revin, put a 1 1/2" restricter in each side of the exhaust. Then that takes care of the carb issue. If you can't get it out it doesn't matter whats coming in.
RULES????????
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faustfan2
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And no one is putting anything in my motor or exhaust! If my engine builder wanted it there then it would be there! Besides i have seen some of these tech guys and.......i wouldnt let them touch my go cart! Seriously! They are far from engine builders or knowing anything about a engine! Sorry but i will not let this happen to my motor!
21racer4life
Member
Its a small block chevy its been around for 60+ years, Its not rocket science. You got somebody doing it for you. I'm assuming your paying somebody, so that increases the cost. But your worried about the cost of shocks.
faustfan2
Active Member
You better look at all my post again....i never once said anything about shocks being high! I said that if Kevin was concerned about shocks he needed to look around because the heim mount shocks can be bought cheaper than the stock mount shocks! And since we are at it....i read a article just the other day about promoters cost the racer money. It was specifically talking aboyt the street stock class and it said....the concept of keeping the class with stock parts is a great idea but more times than none when a promoter tries to restricr a class it ends up costing the driver/owner more money rather than just letting them do certain things! Think about that for a minute would ya? The rear trailing arms for these cars are getting harder to find unless you buy them from a magazine at $100 a pop per arm when you can buy the beefer set from Speedway that is alot stronger and in my opinion better than stock! Theres no performance advantage to them and they are not adjustable but rather would hold up better! But i guess doing that makes to much sence beings its a stock class and is supposed to have stock parts which is actually costing the racer more money! People need to think logical and not just pop off at the mouth!
21racer4life
Member
I've been working on race cars for 30+ years. From street stocks to sprint cup, and won races in everything in between including the World 100! So I'm not just poping off at the mouth, I know my racecars! I used to plate and strengthen my trailing arms for just acouple bucks, and they were pretty tuff. By the time some people pay to put in jack screws, plates, and shock mounts. Then have to buy multiple shocks per wheel with different valving and spares, plus the revalve kit. It ends up being more than a few dollars per shock. People can do alot of work in the shop for pennies instead of spending $100's of dollars. Kevin is a racer, and he understands the price of hard work in the shop versus just spending money for no reason. I believe he is trying his best. I'm was never a fan of his, but I do RESPECT what he has done and is doing.
Tom Haeffner
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I am not sure what the answer is to get the car count back up. The rules are almost the same as we had in the early 80's, 90's.Stock heads, stock rotating assembly,hydraulic cam, stock intake,rochester 2 barrel, and headers.You could run a 400 and a solid cam back in the early 90's.Even ran hoosier dirt boss tires.Always had a consi.
racin90
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Personally i think the problem lies in that the class has kind of gotten away from its "affordability class" of racing. The class got racing springs and shocks. Want to know what a racing shock was not long ago? Good ole monromatics. Lol. Then we allowed hoosiers(for safety purposes) yet there are companies that do make street racing tires for dirt thats really affordable. I think the original intention was to the street guys to buy used emods. Well as always money wins. Then came the spring spacers episode. That really made some guys leave. 4 guys quit right that week because they got tired of rules being tweeked to accomodate a certain few cars who ran them. That is not a made up story. Its a fact and i cant blame them. Class needs a rude awakening because its going right down the old sportsmans path. Every year there is some kind of rule tweeking or bending and it makes guys mad. You had a car running around here winning then goes to a other track and was dq'd Wins were never taken away nor were the winnings because they cant prove that the car had the dq'd part on it at that time. I get that. But really? You have 2 maybe 3 cars running up front and the rest of the guys eating dust. Take away the spring spacers quick steers racing springs and shocks and make the guys have to literally drive the cars. The engine rule is ok. You still have got guys spending ridiculous amounts of $$$'s on a street stock engine. your never going to get away from the $$$'s being spent but its just like nascar. Class needs toned down. Make it more affordable. Make the guys have to manhandle the cars and it will make for some "inreresting" racing. Its been done in the past so you cant say it cant happen now. I beleive kevin is trying to keep reigns on it but is also tired of the griping. Well if people would just build their cars every year per rules or least rules 5-10 yrs ago and quit adding this and tweeking this and that then wonder why guys just flat give up the class as a whole would grow. But right now way i see it you have certain guys who act like nothing is wrong and guys are just griping. Then you have guys who are griping and are just tired of being out dollars. Then you have guys who are griping because of the rules being changed and quiting. It needs stopped all together or class will be gone. 12-14 cars. Night doesnt cut it and that was on a good week If your proud of that car count wonderful and if you hate this post even more wonderful lol. Just my opinion and wish there was an easy answer to it all
Hard Lefts
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Mouthiest ones never raced at all! Looks like we have a few that don't even race on here calling Kevin out on silly little shit that's nothing more than a few hundred dollars. Props to Kevin more dealing with the nonsense and thanks for all he does.
racin90
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Hey i used to and just trying to help out. Just my opinion and its just that. Class is hurting and pointing out why some have left the class. But hey if you think its ok to keep it status quo then forget what ive said or anyone else for that matter and youll have some awesome 10 car features this year. By the way 2 others sold out over the winter to go fishing and i dont see anyone banging to come into the class. They kind of skip it and goto bmods.
Hard Lefts
Active Member
Wasn t really talking to you. Others earlier accusing kevin of working against the racers. the guy runs a track jeez morons. Tracks that run ss class should go back to how Pevely used to do it with the a and b features both at the end of the night.
faustfan2
Active Member
Just curious.....do you have a dog in this fight? Do you have a street stock you race? Just what is your affiliation to this class thats beings discussed here? I think if you dont drive in this class or race at all maybe you should just go on about your business and keep your comments to yourself! Im all for going back to the no quick steers no racing shocks no spring spacers but i think you need to stop and think for a minute.....all those things that you mentioned have came along way since the "good ol days"! Just remember something, in this class it says all parts must be "OEM" it does not say a word about must match frame and car, so there for the quick steer deal is out of the question because you can buy a steering box from Autozone that is almost as quick as using a quick steer! Didnt think that one out did ya? Spring spacers??? Just buy different size springs....problem solved! All you have to do is use your brain! Go read a post i made a few post up....when you talk about restricting a class and more times than not it ends up costing the racer more! You want more cars on the track.....figure out a set of rules where these guys can buy these old sportsman cars for cheap and build them and be competitive. There is a lot of old sportsman cars just sitting that guys would probably get rid of cheap or possibly build themselves, but the first thing you need for that to happen is TECH, thats first and foremost! You want more butts in the seats.....contact these local malls and get these cars back in the malls like they used to do! Have one guy that should know something about every car there to answer questions should someone have a question, have some hand outs available for people to grab and look over. Hell have the tech guy there doing the questions......hes not doing anything else anyway might as well get your moneys worth out of him since you pay him something on a nightly basis! You would be suprised what you could do if you would just take the time to think it out and put some effort into it! All these promoters have to do is talk to the drivers and see what drivers are willing to take their cars there. See what the malls would charge to use those spaces for 2 weeks, im sure if you ask some drivers if they will help out on the cost of it they would kick in $10 or $20 to help the cause. Why cant we all just work together to make this class grow? You dont want two or three cars just leaving eveyone else in the dust.....talk to the promoter and tech guy and tell them your concerns! Not sure how hard people think it is to just talk to someone!
I liked it when I could just go to auto zone or napa etc. and buy a rebuild kit for about 100.00 bucks and refreshen motor and a new rv cam With oem parts like it says per rules. Not now it a scat rotating forged bottom end, special race cams and lifters. I can't build my motor myself wish I could so I wouldn't have to spend 3000 up to 4000 for a motor. That's why I got rid of mine. I love to race but just can spend the kind of money it takes now to be competive. And yes I did put the time in the garage scaling peeping tires doing maintenance to make sure car was running and handling the best it could. If it ever gets the true bomber/ streetstocks back I might come back. Just can't see it right now. Jmo. Good luck to all that will be racing this coming year.
DaveMcLain
Active Member
A few years ago I helped a customer who ran a street stock with some engine development. Very similar rules to these and I was able to pick the engine up about 30 horsepower. The rules required an unported two barrel cast iron intake so he and I rounded up as many as we could find and I tested them on the flow bench, we picked the best one. His cam was not very optimum so I changed the cam and then did some dyno testing to fine tune the carburetor package and exhaust system. Was that unethical in some way?
Later at the track I was talking to the tech man and he said that he would bet that over 1/2 of the street stocks now had engines that had at least been on a dyno whereas even a few years earlier that was probably not the case. We're talking about spending money to find some performance within the framework of the rules.
I'm just talking about engines not even thinking about other areas like the chassis that could be greatly improved with some clever development work which racers all do...
These classes are very important and very interesting but writing the rules to be the most cost effective and to make as many cars as possible competitive would be a very difficult task. In the not so distant past most of the "racing" was accomplished on the race track but maybe that's not the case anymore. How do you bring that back to the forefront? I don't know.
Later at the track I was talking to the tech man and he said that he would bet that over 1/2 of the street stocks now had engines that had at least been on a dyno whereas even a few years earlier that was probably not the case. We're talking about spending money to find some performance within the framework of the rules.
I'm just talking about engines not even thinking about other areas like the chassis that could be greatly improved with some clever development work which racers all do...
These classes are very important and very interesting but writing the rules to be the most cost effective and to make as many cars as possible competitive would be a very difficult task. In the not so distant past most of the "racing" was accomplished on the race track but maybe that's not the case anymore. How do you bring that back to the forefront? I don't know.
racin90
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That is my point. Get them back to a purestock and people would go back. Good post!
racin90
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Just voicing my opinion. Ive seen this story before(death of the sportsmans) and i had a car and drove it back then. Trust me same exact arguments If u dont like it just one of those things
Hard Lefts
Active Member
Do you? I tried to find out what number car you drive but I can't figure out your name even after going back and reading alot of your posts. I see where two years ago you were on here mouthing the pro 4 racers did you race them? Them last year you were badmouthing the bmod guys on here and now ithe track promoters that run ss class. Do you really think they don't talk to the racers? They do. This class has been around a long time and Occasionally getting tweaked to accommodate racing but they're all pretty close to what theyve been so just chill out and race.
