Sportsman

The motor rule at Fredericktown is identical to the motor rule at Farmington (SFCR) for 2004. We'll get the complete rules posted on the website ASAP...
 
They should look like this...

Body... 1. Any American coupe or sedan. stock production full frame. 2. All bodies must be stock appearing. No flat sides. 3. Front and rear bumpers in stock position required. 4. Cars must have a MINIMUM 6 point roll cage. 1&1/2 inch minimum diameter pipe, securely welded to frame. Three driver's side door bars REQUIRED. No black or galvanized pipe allowed. 5. FUEL CELL IS MANDATORY .No boat tanks or homemade gas containers allowed. Fuel cell must be contained in reinforced steel container and must be securely mounted. 6. Battery may be relocated but not in driver's compartment and must be securely mounted. 7. After market pedals will be allowed. 8. Rubber or plastic nose allowed. 9. Nerf bars not to exceed 1 inch from body with maximum 1&1/2 inch diameter. 10.Aluminum may be used on interior of car only.
SUSPENSION ... 1. Weight jacks or wedge blocks optional. 2. Racing springs optional. 3. One shock per wheel. Racing shocks optional. No coil covers. 4. Right front safety hub is optional. 5. Lowering will be allowed. 6. A-frame must be stock type. Non adjustable tubular A Frame allowed.
REAREND... 1. Rearend must be locked or posi-trac. 2. 9 inch Ford rearend permitted.
TRANSMISSION ... 1. Manual or automatic transmission. No after market transmissions. 2. No quick change transmissions. 3. No aluminum flywheels. 4. No aluminum drive shafts. 5. Drive shaft loop required. 6. Drive shaft must be painted WHITE. 7. Safety bellhousing or blanket recommended.
TIRES AND WHEELS ... 1. 8 inch tires and wheels maximum. 2. Hoosier dirt stocker or Super dirt stocker tires may be used 3. 70, 75, and 78 series with D.O.T. markings allowed. 4. Grooving and regrooving allowed. 5. Beadlocks allowed. 6. 1 inch lug nuts MANDATORY.
FUEL... 1. Racing gas permitted. 2. No nitrous oxide or alcohol.
ENGINES ... 1. 362 cubic inch MAXIMUM. 2. No roller cams or lifters. 3. No aluminum heads. 4. Aluminum intakes in which air cannot pass under carb base allowed. 5. 2 barrel carb with 1 3/8 inch maximum venturi allowed. 1 inch maximum adapter allowed. 6. Flat top or dished pistons only. 7. O.E.M. crankshaft only. 8. No porting or polishing. Single valve springs only. Valve sizes-Intake 1.940 inch maximum, Exhaust 1.50 inch maximum. 9. Engine set back. Left front spark plug hole can be no farther back than center of upper ball joint.

Rule changes to these for 2004:
The class will ALLOW roller rockers; any aluminum intake; steel cranks; three-link suspension (however car must then weigh 3,000 pounds), and floater rearends. Vehicles in the class this year are not allowed to use aluminum flywheels or pressure plates. The cars must also use either Hoosier Dirt Street or Hoosier Super Street tires only.
 
Why in the Hell would anyone go to a floater in a lowend class, thats supposed to be half way affordable, making it harder for the other guy. They will soon be wanting wide tires, and dome pistons, alcohol, etc. Once again the sportsman class will be put into extinction
 
My question is why stick to a cubic inch rule when it won't be checked in the first place ? Everyone knows that it takes alot more money to build a competitive 360 ci. motor.Why not have the rule to be cast iron block and heads, no roller cam,and 1 3/8 venturie carb, this rule works great @ MCS! Guess I will encounter the expence of 2 motors and alot of BS if I want to race near home, due to dome pistons. Oh well , this is just my opinion for a class that is DYING in this area !!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the quick responce ........The"Hustler"
 
FLOATER REARENDS ON STOCK TRAILING ARMS AREN'T A SPEED ADVANTAGE. ITS A SAFETY FACTOR. WHEN AXELS BREAK THE WHEEL STAYS WITH THE CAR.

YOU HAVE JUST ELIMINATED MORE CARS FROM FREDERICKTOWN. ALLIED ALLOWS DOUBLE VALVE SPRINGS.

ALLIED,FREDROCK,SFCR,AND MONT CO ARE THE ONLY HOLD OUTS WITH THE SPORTSMAN RULES. IF MCS WOULD ALLOW 3-LINKS AND TUBE A ARMS THEY WOULD BE IN LINE WITH EVERYONE ELSE.

MY SUGGESTION IS THE SAME AS BEFORE.......


STEEL HEADS NO WHAMMY JAMMYS (PRO ACTION)
3000 LBS
2BBL GAS
ANYTHING UP TO E-MOD TIRE
AND OF COARSE 3-LINKS AND TUBE A ARMS

THIS IS THE TREND IN SPORTSMAN RULES. THE WAY I SEE IT SFCR STRUGGLED TO GET 12 CARS LAST YEAR, AND I SEE NOTHING CHANGING. NOW FREDERICKTOWN WILL FOLLOW SUIT.
 
What is going to keep cars from I-55 and other tracks to race at Fredericktown and Farmington?? Nothing.... And vice versa... And since Fredericktown pays more than I-55, Farmington will be paying more than I-55, there's going to be some guys floating around that never could do so before.
 
NOTHING STOPPED AARA CARS FROM FLOATING AROUND BEFORE. EXCEPT THE FACT THEY WERE OUT CLASSED BY OTHER TRACKS RULES. WITH THE VORTECH HEADS, BETTER CARBS AND WEIGHT PENALTY FOR A 3-LINK, THEY ARE OUT CLASSED AT SFCR AND FREDROCK.

IF YOU WANT THEM TO COME I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME AND RUN JUST AS THEY ARE. LET THEM WEIGH THE SAME AS THE OTHERS. DO YOU NOT THINK THE BETTER HEADS AND CARB WILL EVEN UP ANY ADVANTAGE A 3-LINK WOULD GIVE???

I KNOW IF I WAS BUILDING A CAR TO RUN THERE, I'D RATHER HAVE A STOCK 4 LINK WITH VORTECH HEADS AND CHEATER CARB. THAN AN ALLIED MOTOR ON A 3-LINK.


GOOD LUCK!!! TIME WILL TELL!!!:)
 
farmington and fredricktown can both run double valve springs. We voted this in at farmington during the rules meeting.
 
motor vs suspension

i just don't understand these engine rules. what do valve springs have to do with anything? to me it's better to send money on the engine to help it last longer. why spend good money on suspension parts that could get ripped out in a wreck?
let them run solid cams any piston stock steel heads 2bbl gas and maybe stock lower end parts. vavle spring rules seem a little bit in the wrong direction, let'em biuld a motor that will last.
if they want a two or three link so bad buy a modified.
they already had to reinvent street stocks once and the infamous IMCA had to reinvent the modified. make rules and stick to 'em plain and simple.
ok i've steped off the soapbox
 
1ST OF ALL, PEOPLE NEED TO REALIZE, "SPORTSMAN" RACECARS ARE NOT ENTRY LEVEL CARS ANYMORE!

STREETSTOCK-BOMBER/PURESTOCK/WANNABEEZ/HORNETS, THEY ARE ENTRY LEVEL.

AS FAR AS DOUBLE VALVE SPRINGS, I FIGURED THEY WERE ALLOW. I WAS POINTING OUT THE MISS PRINT IN THE RULES.

21ROCKS,
THEY HAVE BEEN HAVING TROUBLE GETTING CARS AS IT IS. IF THEY DID WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY STILL BE A PROBLEM.

WHAT YOU DESCRIBE IS A GLORIFIED BOMBER! 3 LINK (PULL-BAR, J-BAR, PAN-BAR) SUSPENSION ISN'T GOING TO PRICE ANYONE OUT OF RACING.

EVERY TRACK IN THE ST.LOUIS AREA ALLOWS 3 LINK SUSPENSION WITHOUT BEING PENALIZED EXCEPT MONTGOMERY COUNTY. MONT CO., DOESN'T EVEN ALLOW THEM. THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY LOST THERE CAR COUNT AND WAS CUTTING THE PURSE THE LAST YEAR.

OH WELL, JUST TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO SEE THE TREND IN "SPORTSMAN" RACING IN THE STL AREA. I WILL BE SUPRISED IF FREDROCK EVER PAYS THE $500 TO WIN WITH THE CURRENT RULES. IF YOU'RE WAITING ON THE ALLIED HOMERS TO HELP YOU GOOD LUCK. THERE WAS ONLY 2-3 THAT EVER WENT ANYWHERE BESIDES I55.
 
RULES

Pitdrifter I dont know why you have so much trouble with our rules. The drivers that were at the meeting voted on the new rules and all were satisfied with the changes. As far as being surprised as to what the payouts are come on down and see. The next time you have a question about the rules please go to our web site and you will find the the answer.
 
all iknow is i biult a car 3 or 4 years ago that was legal at at least four tracks. now i'm down to one mcs. not to say everyone should run the same rules. but i am either illegal or out classed everywhere else. i heard that mel was going to try and start a triple trac sort of thing but i guess that didn't pan out. that to bad. by the way i don't understand the big deal about i55 it's a great track and all but i just don't understand why every one wants to race there. just wondering but didn't allied start the 3 bar no motor sportsman class that everyone is moving to?
 
Originally posted by 21rocks
all iknow is i biult a car 3 or 4 years ago that was legal at at least four tracks. now i'm down to one mcs. not to say everyone should run the same rules. but i am either illegal or out classed everywhere else. just wondering but didn't allied start the 3 bar no motor sportsman class that everyone is moving to?
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THATS MY POINT EXACTLY 21ROCKS.....TRACKS ARE GOING IN THE DIRECTION OF OPENNING THE SUSPENSION AND GOOD MOTORS LIKE MCS, GODFREY, TCS, HIGHLAND. MEL WOULD BE RIGHT ON TRACK WITH EVERYONE ELSE IF HE'D OPEN THE SUSPENSION RULES. ALLIED'S RULES ARE GOOD, BUT I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE WENT WITH THE AFTERMARKET HEADS THIS YEAR INSTEAD OF SUPPOSEDLY WAITING TILL NEXT SEASON.



ROCKER..........I WAS AT THE 1ST MEETING AT BAILEY'S. THERE WASN'T ANYONE THERE EXCEPT FARMINGTON DRIVERS WANTING A PLACE TO RUN WHAT THEY HAD, AND THATS WHAT THEY GOT. THE MEETING STARTED OFF WELL AT 1ST. THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT FORMING RULES TO ALLOW CARS FROM OTHER STL AREA TRACKS TO COME AND RACE. BEFORE IT WAS OVER, THEIR CARS WERE COMPLETELY LEGAL AND EVERY OTHER TRACK EXCEPT ALLIED WAS ILLEGAL. BUT, THE ALLIED CARS WERE GOING TO BE PENALIZED IF THEY HAD A 3-LINK. THE BIG WINNERS WERE THE FARMINGTON DRIVERS. THEY CAN RUN FREDROCK JUST LIKE THEY RAN SFCR AND ANYONE ELSE COMING IN WOULD BE PUT AT A DISADVANTAGE. I WAS AT THE MEETING WITH STEVE MAISEL. HE TRIED TO VOICE HIS OPINION, WHICH IS THE SAME AS MINE AND NOBODY SEEMED TO WANT TO HEAR IT. THEY JUST TALKED OVER HIM AMONGST THEMSELVES.

I DO NOT THINK USING ALLIED AS A MODEL IS A GOOD THING. ALLIED WILL ALWAYS GET THEIR 25-30 CARS A NIGHT. THOSE GUYS ARE THEIR FAITHFUL AND AREN'T GOING ANYWHERE. I AM NOT SO SURE HOW MANY OF THOSE GUYS ARE JUMPING TO RACE ON FRIDAY NIGHT EITHER. THEY HAVE HAD THE OPTION OF GOING TO BELLEVILLE, WHERE THEIR CARS ARE COPLETELY LEGAL W/O PENALTY. BUT, ONLY 3-4 WENT THERE LAST SEASON A COUPLE OF TIMES. YES, IF F-TOWN PAYS THE $500 TO WIN, IT WOULD BE $300 MORE THAN BELLEVILLE, BUT LIKE I SAID THE ALLIED CARS ARE OUT CLASSED HEAD WISE CARB WISE AND WEIGHT(3-LINK) WISE. SO THAT MIGHT BE A TURN OFF.

IT IS JUST MY OPINION, THAT TO GET THE 17 CARS(WEEKLY) TO INSURE THE $500 TO WIN PAYOUT, THESE RULES AREN'T CONDUCIVE TO THAT.

LIKE I SAID, ITS JUST MY OPINION. I WISH YA'LL THE BEST OF LUCK.
 
Hey 21rocks! Why in the $*!@ are you knocking I-55 so bad? Pevely is a great facility to watch a race and also compete week in and week out. I'll tell you why many of our regulars in all classes don't race at SFCR, or the rock on a regular basis. For one, everytime we travel to one of these tracks our cars get mangled. Who wants to go to a track where you get tore up every time you go there. One other reason is that every time a yellow is thrown it takes forever to get the disabled car off the track, then we've got to go through the hassle of getting everyone back in line, which also takes forever! I'm not exagerating on this either! I've been to races at both tracks the last two years and the problem still persists. Drivers want to race on the track, not sit in their cars half the night waiting for everyone to get their act together. We have a great racing program at I-55 every week thanks to mr. Shrader and Marler. This is why we have 30 sportsman every week, 20 + late models, and 35-45 modifieds. Come check us out sometime, you will be impressed! :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
 
Look for that Sportsmen number to shrink a bit at I-55 though due to payout at other tracks, including Fredericktown and TriCity and Farmington making their rules more accessible for I-55 racers. I also noticed that usually the people who complain about get their cars "mangled" are the ones creating the problems. That's not just at Fredericktown and Farmington that's at most tracks. The Sportsmen (formerly Hobby Stocks and Pro Streets) that race at Fredericktown and Farmington during the years I've been with the track represent some of the best drivers around. During that time we've had numerous drivers come down from I-55 (Paul Belkin, Mike Nickelson , etc) and they always put on a good show.

By the way Pitdrifter, don't you think Maisel would be competitive at Fredericktown?? I've never seen him shy away from it before.
 
If Farmington and Fredricktown are such great tracks then why have Paul Belkin, Scott Stuppy, and Troy Naeger continue to race consistantly every week at Pevely the past few years. I'm aware that Belkin travels to Fredricktown on occasion on Friday nights, but he is always at Pevely on Saturday. :confused:
 
Let's just see how this year pans out and see who goes where and does what... Things are different this year..
 
Ok, I'm with you, let's see what happens this year. Don't get me wrong, I feel that we're very lucky to have as many race tracks available to us as we do. I just feel that I-55 runs a much smoother program than th others. :cool:
 
Originally posted by Millsey

By the way Pitdrifter, don't you think Maisel would be competitive at Fredericktown?? I've never seen him shy away from it before.
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MILLSEY,
AS A MATTER OF FACT I KNOW MAISEL WOULD BE COMPETITIVE AT F-TOWN. HE CAN WIN ANYWHERE HE RUNS. THE FACT IS WITH HIM, IS THE SAME WITH ME. OUR MOTORS AREN'T LEGAL THERE. HE HAS DARTS HEADS ON HIS ALSO.

I AM NOT ATTACKING F-TOWN/SFCR RULES AS A WHOLE. I JUST FEEL IF YOU WOULD HAVE ALLOWED DART HEADS AND STAYED WITH THE E-MOD YOU WOULD HAVE INCREASED YOUR CAR COUNT POTENTIAL GREATLY, AND THE BIG PAYOUT WOULD PROBABLY BEEN EASILY ACHIEVED. AT LEAST THE HEADS MONTGOMERY CARS COULD HAVE RUN THERE LIKE THE #69 KENNY HARRIS AND OTHERS

ALLIED CARS COULD STILL COME AND NOT BEEN AT ANYMORE DISADVANTAGE THAN THEY'RE NOW.

VORTECHS ARE JUST AS GOOD AS THE DARTS WE RUN. THE DARTS ARE JUST MORE DURABLE TO ABUSE. REASON BE, VORTECHS ARE STILL A STOCK HEAD.

I DO HOPE YOU ARE CORRECT ABOUT CAR COUNTS DWINDLING AT I55. NOT JUST BECAUSE OF PAYOUTS, BUT BECAUSE OF THEIR STOCK HEAD RULES.
 
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