The spin that started it all

nitrocowboy84 said:
To start off with unless you have driven one of these cars you have no idea of what it takes. Moon was lagging back to get a run on hamerman, problem one. Then moon picks up the gas too early and pushes the nose on exit, problem 2. Moon back steps the gas and or trail brakes problem 3 Kreke had a head of steam and couldn't get out of the gas in time and if he did this would have been a 6 to 10 car pile up. It's just how that works on a restart. It was a racing deal. I'm sure it was not intended to spin moon. Running 4 on a bigger paying show is much better than just start money. Now on to what moon did, this was an intensional act to purposely to do harm to another car. Completely different in many ways, one was a racing deal and the other was a act of pure stupidly. I don't blame al and his guys for doing what they did. I prob would have done the same thing. Moon has crossed a line and a message needs to be sent. This will not be tolerated and his poor driving style has been forgiven long enough. I hope allied does the right thing and I'm sure Donnie and his crew will. JMO Corey Ford
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You forgot to say" your in no way bias to any party involved in this jerry springer episode" and that the case of beer you just drank has no bearing on the message your trying to send here......Ok i'm done,LMAO surely your joshing there as it seems you where paid to read and write that script of something that "video" has shown otherwize...but good try
 
mudface said:
You forgot to say" your in no way bias to any party involved in this jerry springer episode" and that the case of beer you just drank has no bearing on the message your trying to send here......Ok i'm done,LMAO surely your joshing there as it seems you where paid to read and write that script of something that "video" has shown otherwize...but good try
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Fact is... I don't think I have ever met Corey Ford, nor has Brent but I will now. Secondly, I think I will let the famous Mudface drive our car while we are suspended since he knows so much and has all this driving skill. Better yet, since he is buddies with the moonman he better pilot that ride!
 
kingeddy said:
You can hardly see Moons car once it passes the gap so I don't know how you can come to this conclusion. Even if you had a full view, being up on the bars doesn't necessarily mean he was on the gas. I'm pretty sure he runs a hold up shock on the left rear or he could have been trail braking...who knows.

Whatever the case, what the video doesn't show is Moon stacking up the 13 and 6K on the prior re-starts. I couldn't tell you if it was an intentional brake check or burping the gas because of a push, but I can tell you, without any doubt, he was off the gas on each of those re-starts. I think Kreke's intention was to push him out of the way to avoid getting spun himself moreso than to intentionally dump him.
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kingeddy said:
You can hardly see Moons car once it passes the gap so I don't know how you can come to this conclusion. Even if you had a full view, being up on the bars doesn't necessarily mean he was on the gas. I'm pretty sure he runs a hold up shock on the left rear or he could have been trail braking...who knows.

Whatever the case, what the video doesn't show is Moon stacking up the 13 and 6K on the prior re-starts. I couldn't tell you if it was an intentional brake check or burping the gas because of a push, but I can tell you, without any doubt, he was off the gas on each of those re-starts. I think Kreke's intention was to push him out of the way to avoid getting spun himself moreso than to intentionally dump him.
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King your welcome to stop by my house here in Pevely and watch it on my system, I just built this PC with the highest grade of parts available from newegg 2 Months ago, Its a high dollar gaming pc with an Asus 26in high def monitor.This was built for iRacing and BF3 not that its important but it Plays video quite well to and probly the best to view the video on then anyone's system on this site, Not here to bash the Kreke's as I have a ton of respect for them as I do all racer's, I wasnt there..didn't see this in person, just saying from what I see on my system all this could of been avoided. BC needs both Brent and Moon and they both deserve to be there racing,they bring very nice equipment to race each week..but this is racing at its best
 
kreke13 said:
Fact is... I don't think I have ever met Corey Ford, nor has Brent but I will now. Secondly, I think I will let the famous Mudface drive our car while we are suspended since he knows so much and has all this driving skill. Better yet, since he is buddies with the moonman he better pilot that ride!
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Don't Hate Bro... I was never into driving so I dont think Brent wants me near the steering wheel, I have supported our Hobby for many many years, I was an owner/builder of 2 cars back in the day that were well known. My high was to build/fabricate and crew chief both cars and make them better each week and not to drive them, We raced friday, saturday and sunday every week and I continue to go watch and support our tracks now for over 40 years.With that said and the due's i've paid I feel I can post my thoughts as I see fit without pissing anyone off..thats not my intentions by no means, I don't know Moon at all and couldn't point him out of any line up..again man don't hate, this is racing and I've seen this crap over and over and over for the past 40 years and its gonna continue for the next 40 trust me.
 
I don't care how good your crap is, the view of Moons car is blocked or obscured by the wall, about 15 people, and a piece of track packing equipment. Through all that maze, there is absolutely no way you can determine if he was on or off the throttle from the quick and limited view you get in this video.

Argue all you want, I was standing 3 feet from where the incident occurred, looking directly at it. (I'm in the black and yellow crew shirt) There is no doubt in my mind regarding what I saw and heard. Moon was definitely on and off the gas exiting the turn.
 
Dear Mudface
The kind of "Crap" the Moon did is what gets people hurt or killer both on the track and in the stands. For you to suggest (or anything else) that his actions were good for racing also suggest you stay in racing WAY to long
 
STLMSR said:
Dear Mudface
The kind of "Crap" the Moon did is what gets people hurt or killer both on the track and in the stands. For you to suggest (or anything else) that his actions were good for racing also suggest you stay in racing WAY to long
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Don't really understand where you and others read that i approve of moon's actions of flipping over Brent....again please scroll up and reread slowly...I mean come on you and kingeddy been around for a while, I've seen this "Crap" go on and on for many years....I believe in handling "Crap" like a man face to face...and with out cars and not sure who eddy is arguing with but as i said I have my oppinion and he has his no need for the hate
 
Hey, I wasn't arguing (your the one wanting me to watch it on your system.) or hating, nor did I think you approved of Moons actions. I'm just telling you that your assessment regarding Moon checking up is wrong.
 
Mudface, not hating as long as you by me a beer next time we are at the same track.


PS normally works for King Eddie too!
 
One thing I noticed right away, was Moon was lagging to get a run. Then he nearly runs over the car in front of him, and then Kreke comes through Moon. Seems to be a chain reaction started by Moon and finished by Kreke. Moon's backchecking caused the accident, he goes to the back.

BTW, I wasn't even there, and I gathered that from the video!
 
kreke13 said:
Trace, moon intentionally tried to hurt my son and destroy our car. I will react the same every time this happens. You holier than thou types can keep judging us. Until you have had it happen to you - you have no ideas how it feels or how you will react. I will always fight for my family and friends.

Also, probably 6-8 of those guys are my pitcrew. There were other pit crew members and drivers who wanted a piece of him as well.
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Mob action is a serious crime and it should be investigated in this matter. Likewise, so is aggravated assault (By Moon) which should also be investigated here. Criminal charges could and should be considered for all parties involved in this.
 
jmcgrew47 said:
Mob action is a serious crime and it should be investigated in this matter. Likewise, so is aggravated assault (By Moon) which should also be investigated here. Criminal charges could and should be considered for all parties involved in this.
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jason wake up we do not need others envolved in our business that is the way it was done in the old days. worked then it should work now!!!!!!!
 
kreke13 said:
Trace, moon intentionally tried to hurt my son and destroy our car. I will react the same every time this happens. You holier than thou types can keep judging us. Until you have had it happen to you - you have no ideas how it feels or how you will react. I will always fight for my family and friends.

Also, probably 6-8 of those guys are my pitcrew. There were other pit crew members and drivers who wanted a piece of him as well.
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Have the two fight it out on the frontstreatch next week. Don't have a problem with that. Lol
But it's a big problem when there are people flooding the track. So many ouy of control with any serious injuries could get the track closed down.
 
westlingracing said:
Have the two fight it out on the frontstreatch next week. Don't have a problem with that. Lol
But it's a big problem when there are people flooding the track. So many ouy of control with any serious injuries could get the track closed down.
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Its twice now that you talked about the potential injuries from the fight but never once mentioned what could have happened when moon rolled Brent over. His car could have started on fire. Glad your are concerned about the assault by fists but not the assault with a deadly weapon.
 
Here is the thing...the guy gets spun on a restart (intentional or not to me makes no difference) gets his panties in a bunch and uses his car to hit Brent and flip him over UNDER CAUTION. OK fine Moon was upset that he was spun, that doesn't give him the right to use his car to get even with Brent. Be a man and go over and talk to Brent after the race...hmm. Using his car in reaction to the events on the track just shows me and I am sure others just how much lack of respect for other drivers, drivers lives and drivers equipment this gentleman had/has. I am 100% with Al...his reaction is what any parent would do. They understand that there will be penalties involved and they are men enough to take what they have coming. BEST OF LUCK TO THE KREKE CREW FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR!!!
 
kreke13 said:
Its twice now that you talked about the potential injuries from the fight but never once mentioned what could have happened when moon rolled Brent over. His car could have started on fire. Glad your are concerned about the assault by fists but not the assault with a deadly weapon.
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I was being sarcastic. You were looking like you think it's OK to have a mob scene.
 
westlingracing said:
I was being sarcastic. You were looking like you think it's OK to have a mob scene.
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I'm not referring to the rollover with sarcasm at all, just having a fight for a show. Yea you have a right to be angry with that rollover stunt. My point is strictly about all the people on the track that can close a track down. Rollovers probably won't, even an intentional one. I just don't want you to get the wrong impression. Racing has tempers fly often. People who know us know they fly in my pit too. If it was my son or wife in the same situation I'd try to knock in a head. And I have had my wife knock a few when people have done things to me. But a group like What I see in the video. Could close a place. And That's the last thing anyone should want. Just please don't justify the mob scene, kicking someone's ass or taking it out on the track one one thing But what's on that video is not good for the sport.
 
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