Tire-Gate at East Bay Raceway Park NeSmith Crate Series event!

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Apparently over 20 drivers were disqualified after qualifying tonight at East Bay after NeSmith Series officials tire sniffer detected illegal chemicals on their tires.

However, the contraversy is, most all of those drivers bought their tires right at the track. They also tested the tires at the track tire dealer and they were testing bad.

Their qualifying times were all still dis-allowed and all of those drivers must start in the rear of their heats. They can use the tires that tested bad, but if they transfer and their tires still test bad they will be DQ'd.

Some locals that were DQ'd include Randy Korte, Aaron Heck and Tanner English.
 
jdearing said:
However, the contraversy is, most all of those drivers bought their tires right at the track.
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Gixxxerguy said:
Do u know if any of the locals bought their tires sat the track?
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I don't like the fact that those who bought them at the track are getting the short end of the stick. Since they were bought there, they need to look into who sold them, NOT who bought them... Bleed blue must be down there :O
 
No Taylorfan I wasn't there. But does it seem odd that they bought them that way? Maybe, just maybe, the TIRE manufacturers see the benefit of treating tires? If all you do is condition a tire(which adds durability and bite) it doesn't soften and diminish the structure of the tire. Could these manufacturers be seeing this as a benefit? Probably not, right?
 
I wouldn't think the tire manufactures would want to make the tires any better. Faster they go the more you buy. Look at the e mod.
 
PITDRIFTER said:
I wouldn't think the tire manufactures would want to make the tires any better. Faster they go the more you buy. Look at the e mod.
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Exactlly!! I can tell you a lot about E-mod tires, I have sawn (sp) quite a few of them up here recently and you would not believe the difference from one tire to the next!
 
if the new tires are testing illegal, it sounds like the sniffer needs to be tested. I don't know anything about them but I would bet they have to be calibreted every so often
 
There was a discussion on 4m .net about tire doping about a month ago and someone said maybe tires should only be purchased at the track like nascar does,James Ince responded that just because they sell them at the track it doesn`t stop prepping in nascar.He says it is still happening there too.He was Johnny Bensons crew chief for a while and he builds race cars now,so he probably knows what he is talking about.
 
sh5 said:
if the new tires are testing illegal, it sounds like the sniffer needs to be tested. I don't know anything about them but I would bet they have to be calibreted every so often
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Well you are on the right track. The tire sniffer they are using is called "The Eagle" and it has 16 channels. They program these channels to sniff for the chemicals they have it programmed for. Thus if they don't have it programmed for a chemical we are using then the tire will pass. Sounds to me that they have a chemical programmed in the Eagle that either the tire manufacturer or the sales trailer had put in the tire. Now the Eagle does need to be "calibrated" as you said, but only when they want to add different chemicals to tech for.
 
sh5 said:
if the new tires are testing illegal, it sounds like the sniffer needs to be tested. I don't know anything about them but I would bet they have to be calibreted every so often
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Or could it be that the wheels that the NEW tires were mounted on were not cleaned thoroughly to remove the residue of prior chemical prepping?

This was a possible explanation posted by someone on 4m.

00BusDriver
 
bleed_blue16 said:
No Taylorfan I wasn't there. But does it seem odd that they bought them that way? Maybe, just maybe, the TIRE manufacturers see the benefit of treating tires? If all you do is condition a tire(which adds durability and bite) it doesn't soften and diminish the structure of the tire. Could these manufacturers be seeing this as a benefit? Probably not, right?
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Might be bad for your biz if so .........
 
00BusDriver said:
Or could it be that the wheels that the NEW tires were mounted on were not cleaned thoroughly to remove the residue of prior chemical prepping?

This was a possible explanation posted by someone on 4m.

00BusDriver
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That could be a problem, but mostly not. The only way this could be the issue is if they were internally tire prepping at a higher rate of speed. When prepping internally you typically roll the tire at a very slow speed and for 24-48 hours depending on the chemical being used. There is another way this could have happen, maybe when applying surface prep(to the outside of the tire). If they got sloppy and let the prep flow over onto the wheel this could be an issue. Also many have hotbox's that roll surface prep onto the tire. This could possibly cause some prep to get on a wheel, but highly unlikely. I'm not saying this couldn't be the cause, but I doubt it.
 
It seems their sniffer is picking up on the chemical footprint of what ever chemicals are used in the tire manufacturing process, and in that case I don't think the sniffer can be trusted.

Back to the detection drawing board.
 
thats not it at all cause the new tires they tested that was not mounted on wheels from the dealer that was tested so its not the teams not cleaning the wheels
 
This is my take on what happened.I was there. I purchased 9 tires from them,we mounted them on the wheels,we bolted them on the car,did hot laps,then lined up for tech for qualifying, they said our tire was illegeal.# 1 the tire shed that the tires were in was heated with keosene,a chemical.# 2 the steel brush that they brush the tire with they used on every single tire that the DQed.My opinion is maybe,the first guy that was teched with a bad tire,might have been the culpret,but doubtful.I think there might have bees substance on the brush that collected the rest of the guys that said were bad tires.I honestly believe that their machine was bad.I watched a guy buy 2 tires,they mounted them at the tire shed,they rolled out to tech to have them teched,they teched bad.The owner of the track had a car there also,and they also DQued his car for bad tires.I spent over $3000 going down there, motels fuel,tires, entry fees,and I sue as he** would have not bolted on some doped up tires. I alsoknow that Joe Kerher's cars went and bought his tires at the same time I bought mine,and was standing at Randy's hauler while they mounted the tires,they mounted them and bolted them on and went to tech just like we did,so their theory of 27 driver's having bad tires is justa theory.It a shame,but is one of those deals you can't do a thing about, except live with it.And by the way,all the tires they DQed teched legal after the heat race.Figure that one out. I do not look for a lot of the cars that got the shaft to go back. We bolted the same tires on Rodney's car and they were legal.What a deal. Rick Heck
 
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