UMP membership a MUST!!

jdearing said:
Because none of the tracks want to change their Street Stock, Pure Stock, Factory Stock rules!!

Drivers all want unified rules from track to track as long as it is THEIR track's rules.. I guarantee they won't be happy if they have to build a new car to meet the unified rules.
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They wouldn't of had to change their rules if they,,the tracks,, would have followed UMP rules to start with. The tracks took it upon them selves to change a rule or two here to improvise their cars and didn't have nads enough to say "This is the way it's gonna bee", 5 or 6 years ago. So now tracks are catching up to UMP mandated stuff and everyone is not liking it. I said it 6 years ago,,Some day the s h i t will the fan,,just wait. Time is here!!! Shouldn't have "track rules prevail" in their rules yrs.a go,LOL
 
Tracks already had these Street Stock, Pure Stock, Factory Stock type classes before UMP ever decided to sanction. UMP could of came out with a set of rules back then, but no tracks would of changed to them. Tracks want their rules for these classes.. None of them wanted to change 5-6 years ago and none want to change now!
 
Then why make them pay a membership if it's not UMP rules. So now they are making you pay a membership or lose the sanactioning why not make the rules the same or you lose the sanactioning. If UMP is so great to have then the tracks will change the rules
 
racerman said:
Then why make them pay a membership if it's not UMP rules. So now they are making you pay a membership or lose the sanactioning why not make the rules the same or you lose the sanactioning. If UMP is so great to have then the tracks will change the rules
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BINGO!!! For Sure
 
YES people are going to camplian if they make everyone run UMP rules all at once. People will camplain no matter what the rules are even at thier own track. Soon there won't be any good cars left to build ss/purestock. So if UMP would start slowly making tracks run thier rules and help come up with a car that would replace these over the next 5-6 years that everyone good transition into. The cost would not be that high for everyone. There are alot of tracks out ther with rules that are close to the same with small changes so start there with the majority and go from there.
 
jdearing said:
Who is to say they won't do more once for track point funds once they start getting more than 15% of the racers to become members. UMP paid out around $350,000 in point funds this past year. They did not have near enough members to even come close to that amount.

UMP had one race memberships for Summer Nationals and Summit Modified Nationals for $20 per race (Membership was mandatory to run in those events). I haven't heard if they are going to offer that or not.
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If I remember correctly the Tires sales are what is supposed to pay our point fund.The insurance hook is a bad sell. Neither the track insurance or UMP insurance will pay for an ambulance ride, so you or your insurance has to cover $600 right off the top.All tracks should be mandated to show proof of insurance ever week before any one can race.
Now that UMP will have all this extra cash let them send a UMP tech. to each track ( not a track supplied one). ENFORCE the rules, this means for everyone . This is why they are the laughing stock of the sanctioning bodies.
J.M.O.
 
Where the mandated UMP license effects my team the most is when I have a car with no driver. We have 2 cars, but usually 1 driver. In the past, I've allowed friends/family to hop in one for a night. A few years ago, my 72 yr old dad drove one of our 4-cyl cars at Tri-City while visiting from NY. He had a blast. I guess that can't happen anymore without a 1-night membership fee.
 
jdearing said:
None of them wanted to change 5-6 years ago and none want to change now!
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Not completely true. I want to change the UMP Stock Car rules. And I have talked to several from the UMP Factory Stock that would like to combine, but every year at the rules meetings, the promoters say no to any advance towards the UMP Stock Car class. I would ABSOLUTELY LOVE to change to combine the classes. And I know some on the other side also. The promoters are telling everyone no. I also know that I may be a minority in this. But I want them combined. Our chassis rules to the Tri City motor rules, seems to be a good combo to me!
 
I second that motion

A combined class is the only way to move into the future...... Its street stock class no matter what you call it...... Why does there need to be so many variations...... you've got (roughly for argumentative purposes) 150 drivers and cars spread across 4 different variations of street stocks across the entire bi-state area.... heck include the sportsman guys who in my opinion are in the same group dealing with the same issues.... A combined effort would immediately increase car counts and strenghthen our class... 4 tracks 4 different sets of rules = 4 diiferent groups of drivers competing with the same 8 cars night after night..... 1 combined effort pools everyone together and allows for much more competition............

But UMP.... you cant make current race cars obsolete with a swipe of a pen 1 month before the season.... It isnt that guys DONT want to change,, it is that they CANT change to what UMP wants....we're SS guys,, most of us don't build new cars every off season... of the 4 cars under our roof the newest one is 5 years old. so if you make our entire chassis illegal in febuary... we're just illegal..... what do you want me to do..... build all new chassis.. there isnt any more frames out there....but for the stl area drivers to up grade thier chassis to what illinois guys are running and the illinios guys to down grade to a much, much more affordable engine.. doesnt make anybodies cars scrap metal.... a few engine blocks maybe..... but i think it would go over just fine............. gotta tech em' or its all just a waste of breath.........

i'd love to see it.. The stl area has some great SS guys and it would be fun to compete with em'...... and to have a car legal to sneak over to tricity every now and then..... great track
 
But to add to that..... UMP went with things like ?shock stickers? and mandetory memberships before providing us with a uniformed class..... instead they have pure stock, factory stock, street stock and, sportsman rules all under thier sanction that splits up the competition...... and a mandetory race tire that wears out after 4 nights and costs a $120 bucks a pop.... 2013 and the tire technology isnt capable of providing us with a tire that lasts a couple months.... but we have shocks that can do everything short of traction control..........

and cut the insurance saleman act..... it's got a $10,000 deductable....... looks like a duck,, sounds like a duck...... it must be a .. money grab....
would love to continue with UMP as a sanctioning body and would be glad to cover a membership.... if of course, they have ever done anything for me....... never chased UMP points,,, never have had a UMP tech inspector lay eyes on my race car,, generally race at my home racetrack in my own little chaotic bubble,, what right do they have to force me to give them a hundred bucks to continue doing what I have been doing for my entire life......I just wanna go fast...... and that already cost more than I can afford.... thanks to sponsers and buddies I get to go play in the dirt on the weekends...
 
jdearing said:
Because none of the tracks want to change their Street Stock, Pure Stock, Factory Stock rules!!

Drivers all want unified rules from track to track as long as it is THEIR track's rules.. I guarantee they won't be happy if they have to build a new car to meet the unified rules.
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So you're saying it is a money grab then? If the SS guy don't want to change rules and they don't agree with the mandatory membership fee...and UMP decides to go with the fee...it sounds like they said who cares what they want let's go for the money.

Maybe if UMP was managed better they wouldn't be losing money. They are essentially making the guy that races once a week pay for the guys who race 3 nights a weeks. And they are making the lower classes pay for the LM's and Mods because we all can do the math and the ratio for national payouts isn't the same as the membership fee's.
 
Where are the 2013 UMP points fund listed? So you are making that statement not knowing what they are going to pay the "lower" classes in point funds in 2013...
 
If the SS Nat'l champion gets $20k I'll apologize. (I am going on memory that the LM's get $25k). But I think you get the point...maybe not though.
 
Late Model membership is $125

Factory Stock membership is $80 .. Only $50 if bought from AARA by the end of the month... That is $45 difference..


Late Models get $20,000 .... Late Models will also get about 10x more members than the Factory Stocks will (only about 1/2 dozen sanctioned Factory Stock tracks)..
 
There are other payouts associated with LM's too but you have a point.

I will never be ok with being mandated to support a group that I do not agree with, do not trust and have no reason to give them my money. I'd rather pay an extra $5 a night to tri city than give a dime to UMP.
 
Money grad and jimmy d has know idea where the dam money is going...he can assume all he wants but assuming aint gonna get him know where!!!!
 
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