2013 B MOD rules

I am really glad to see SportMod's coming around in this area. Would be great if all tracks that run them ran the same rule weather it be USRA IMCA UMP or whatever. Right now the B-Mods at Fulton MMP Farmington Doe Run are the only tracks around with these type of open rules. If they all work together and get everyone on the same page it would be an easy transisitoin into this new class. I know alot of guys would be upset b/c they have to buy new motors or cars but other tracks have done this and car count was not hurt by it. Its all about giving the drivers enough time to make the changes.
 
I think that the Allied Sportsman engine rules make a lot of sense and they should be easy to police by someone who knows a little about an engine. Allowing a few intake that are all inexpensive either new or at the swap meet is a great idea but the number one area that the tech department needs to spell out carefully is the carburetor since it's the number one restriction on performance. Does the rule say 4412? 4412 with 1-3/8 venturi? 4412 1 -3/8 venturi unmodified with parting line etc. How the carburetor will be inspected for legality is very important and it just needs to be spelled out in the rules.
 
I don't really understand why you guys like open rules. The last thing we need is another open ruled modified class. That's how the UMP Modifieds got so out of hand. Let's keep this class on a strict set of rules and remain an economy class.

On that note, what tire is Farmington and those racetracks on? No matter how much we beg and plead, I think we are stuck(unfortunately) on EMODS.
 
T.C. Springer said:
I don't really understand why you guys like open rules. The last thing we need is another open ruled modified class. That's how the UMP Modifieds got so out of hand. Let's keep this class on a strict set of rules and remain an economy class.

On that note, what tire is Farmington and those racetracks on? No matter how much we beg and plead, I think we are stuck(unfortunately) on EMODS.
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---Farmington runs imca tire--mmp---A&H e-mod
Some of your ideas make NO sence--I agree with no 400 blocks--What about the guys with 362-377-388-383-391-396 now?the 360 rule does not fly.No berts or brinns----The so called idea of 3-link or leaf spring only is BULLS__T----some tracks that would loose 75% OF THE CARS.I personally own 2 b-mods and1 a-mod--and sponsor a few others--so there is my opinion---Jim Randolph
 
Why are you getting so upset? The point of a B Mod/SportMod is to keep costs down.

A 377 is a 400 block.

As for 4 link.. again It's costly. The open rule b mods are basically a 2bbl ump modified. If that'd the cas we might as well build qa full out modified.

Bert/Brinn, well I'm a fan, but you need to do something to take away the advantage it gives you over a 3 speed. The 50lb rule is a good place to start.

The point of this thread is to try and help improve the class. This isn't to fight or be a jerk about any which rule so please leave the crap out of this thread.
 
jr junkman and mike floyd you both have a watered down version of an a mod with 2 barrel carb the same thing kenny rumble will have at tri citys b mod show 420 cubic inch motor on 2 barrel tell me where that saves a guy any money at all 360 cubic inch limit is what it is these motors make plenty of power and it is CHEAP
 
your exactly right, its a watered down A mod. Someone can buy an older turn key A mod, stick a stock 2 bbl on it, and go racing. Not alot of work trying to find, build, or buy a legal 360 motor.

If you think Rumble wins because of the motor, your crazy! I have no idea how big the motor is in that car, and its the least of my concerns, stick a lawnmower motor in it and hed be tough to beat. Hese flat out good in that car. Till I can beat him on a regular basis, I have a goal. And im a LONG way from that goal!

Im not saying we have the best rules in the world, but the class has been strong for years running under them. Theres no way everyone will be happy.
 
This is going to end up just like the Sportsman class did different rules for different tracks no different than they were ! Till UMP or tracks that are close together start to work together it will not change this is what happen to the sportsman class and its going to happen to this one . On the same note Tracks don't want to change cause if they do they loose money one-way or another. Think about it if they( the tracks) work together and make a unified set of rules someone is going to go out to another track and give it a try, then the track that they left has a open spot now no money from the driver that would have been there and his crew. more than likely you loose that car for the night then same happens on down the line. Bottom line is some track is going to be a looser in it or a winner in it . the change has to be from the top your (Sanction body) has to steep up to the plate and set up a set of rules for all of there tracks and not leave it as track rules end of story till then its going to be the same he or she cant run there and be completive or vice versa .
 
Sounds exactly like the UMP street stock rules 3 or 4 years ago,,,left wide open for promoters to do as they wish,,,TRACK RULES PREVAIL,,,,heard that many times,,,Good luck guys on getting a uniform set.
 
why not go with imca or usra rules? Suspension, motor, tires, bodies. They could be tweaked here or there but both cars do run together alot with niether dominating the other. I think what would help the most is going to the G60 tires.
 
carney725 said:
why not go with imca or usra rules? Suspension, motor, tires, bodies. They could be tweaked here or there but both cars do run together alot with niether dominating the other. I think what would help the most is going to the G60 tires.
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I don't see how we could get away from the e mod being UMP sanctioned. Aside from that, that is basically what I want. Just very little differences.
 
T.C. Springer said:
I don't really understand why you guys like open rules. The last thing we need is another open ruled modified class. That's how the UMP Modifieds got so out of hand. Let's keep this class on a strict set of rules and remain an economy class..
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example you buy a 10 or probly by now a 12 thousand dollar kickarse allied legal Mullin's engine verse's the open side of things allows you to buy up cheap used parts that are laying around and build a bigger motor that will be choked down by a 4412 for probly half the cost if that of a 10 to 12 thousand dollar engine which i would think would run better or with the Allied legal mullins engine, no offence to anyone with large pocket books that can afford that kind of money but in my oppinion its obsurd...you can only get so much to the rear tires using a 4412 so why not get it the cheapest way way
 
That's what we need to avoid, the high dollar stuff.

Require a stock steel replacement crank($500) no knife edging or any tricks. 11:1.

2.02 1.600 64cc heads and don't allow head work. And a specific intake and you're talking a couple thousand, that's it.

If you choke it down with a stock 4412 that's good.. but the intake is the ticket IMO.
 
I personally think the 3 link/ leaf spring idea is a good start . The intake would also help. I don't like the motor rules where the motors have to be torn down for inspection or a cubic inch rule. I do agree with the no 400 blocks.As hard as and as expensive to find transmissions I agree with the weight added to cars with Brinns ,Berts , Falcon ect. It would be good if all the tracks could come up with some rules so we can ALL race together. We usually have 20-24 cars at Farmington every Saturday night. The b-mod class is not a beginner class and should be classified as a limited class.
 
The best set of rules for this class are the IMCA and USRA set of rules. Pretty close to each other. Isn't Quincy doing this with their B-Mods? I know the street stock, Hobbies and 4 cyl are IMCA but A-mods are UMP. I know USRA pays track points fund so that would help the track as well. UMP is dying around this area and all over the country b/c of the rules package. Alot of the tracks are going to a UMP style rules but not the sanction. Why would a track not want to run the USRA rules if they are going to pay the point fund for the track? But the whole problem here is getting anywhere around the STL area to go USRA.
 
The Allied rules are written around the typical guy running a 350 Chevy. Building one that's durable and reasonably inexpensive is not difficult AND with everyone at the same displacement running with the same carburetors the difference between a very expensive and a very inexpensive engine power wise becomes quite small and can be non existent if the inexpensive engine combination is well developed.

All of the intake manifolds that are allowed by Allied are terrible but if everyone has to run one it's just fine and it acts as an additional cost controller/power limiter.
 
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