bedrock

im not gonna say weather burris is good or it isnt,from my experience and i have been around karting for a long time,some burris tracks benifit greatly and some burris tracks get the shaft...i promoted for two years and the track has to have a certain amount of cars before they get a certain amount of kickback..the tracks that have a big car count benifit greatly,the tracks that have smaller car counts dont really get enough kickback to even be apart of the burris only deal while they both make burris alot of money...either way it doesnt matter to me or my team cause we would race there either way if we were in the area,we dont race a set track every week,i like to go where the money is and run many different tracks..we alway keep burris tires in the trailer for the tracks we come up on that do run burris only...i know many tracks that are not burris only tracks and they have about $10,000 at the end of the year for their banquet as well as stuff from local shops,briggs and stratton,bully,ect,ect....i think putting more work into the promoting end will get you more than a burris only track,but its all comes down to what frank beleives will work for his track....
 
I sponsor 3 karts that ran there 4 or 5 times last season and will be running there weekly next season so I feel I can post my opinions to this thread. Sometimes tires don't mean crap. You just gotta have a hoss of a motor. It's just like the big boys in that aspect.
 
dab73,you are right to a point,i have a hoss of a motor and sometimes it gets me places my tires cant,and vise versa,sometimes my tires get me places my engine cant,just depends.its all a prep game like hobson said,get rid of the prep and it comes down to the driver,his chassis,setup and his choice of true tires..when you can prep a tire you have for sure bite,there is no hit or missing cause you chose the wrong compound......also dab73 i got rid of the modified and got my fleet of karts back together,maybe you'll get to see us in these cars as well...we made the jump from phantom to the ultramax blaze,so far it has worked well,well see at tulsa.....have a good one...
 
Boy dont know what got into you Tigger but i resent what you said. As for the tires we supposedly run once and throw away the tires tony is running are 2 yr old burris Cs and until 3 weeks ago i haven bought a new tire or wheel in 2 years. And another thing Tigger all we run is burris tires unless we are on the pavement. So before you run your mouth about something you no nothing about get your facts straight. I dont see what the problem with me spending my hard earn money on my kids so they can race and have fun, to me its all about my family, that is why i have given up racing so they can race and do it as a family, so if you got a problem with that I feel sorry for ya. John
 
I don't think there are any local tracks around here in Illinois that have $10,000.00 at the end of the year for the banquet. I do know that when Greenville had their Banquet a few years ago they had lots of attendant prizes that went back to the racers. Also as being a Burris only track they did give out about three sets of tires from Burris.
 
john i agree with you 100% and i too have sold my modified so that i could race with the kids and my two brothers and get back into karting.we have three brand new cars,a 24 foot trailer and best parts money can buy,and guess what tigger we build our own engines and have worked our *** off for all that we have so i too resent what you say about money,just cause we spend alot of money doesnt make us any different,but i guess when you are fast someone will always find an excuse of somethin to say about you...

pb racing--i didnt say illinois tracks had 10,000 in banquet,the track i am refering to was in kansas and didnt get a really big car count,the promoters just put their heads together and put alot of money into the banquet to give back to the racers,the weekly payout wasnt bad either in most classes...good promoting can go along way for a track as well as drawing car counts,alot farther then a tire rule....i say if you all that race for belleville wanna burris rule,go for it,just giving the opinions they asked for really makes no difference to me ill only be ther 5 or 6 times,and i have tires to run for the tracks that are burris only.......

hobson when will you guys be in sedailia again??
 
well first off i would like to say that you ain't gonna get tire prep out of kart racing. I don't know where you are getting tire prep in the whole money probelm because i am pretty sure my tire prep that i used was only 40 bucks for a gallon and it lasted me along time. To answer the tire rule ? i think everyone is looking at it from the wrong angle because like i posted before and a couple other guys you are gonna spend money on tire weather or not you have a tire rule. If any of you guys get oval kart mag look at all the big tracks down south i think it is a wka rule i am not sure but they rule all t3's. So if anyone would like to take a trip down south with me i would be more than happy to show you that they all spend alot more money on tires than anything and guess what they have a tire rule. Anything that helps Frank out at the track and gives back more to the racers at the end of the year then do it. Always it gets kinda old whenever we are talking about Bedrock PBracing has to ***** about the purse. I would really like to see you run a track and pay the bills and give back as much as you would like to run for every week. Then maybe you wouldn't ***** about the purse so much. Oh by the way big hp doesn't matter because if you have a good motor on a slick track motor isn't gonna win the race. That is if the motor is legal which i am sure everyones is since no one would cheat around here.
 
well i can tell you a gallon of tire prep will last 90% of karters about a weekend if they run all three nights,and a gallon of tire prep cost damn near that of a tire so you figure it up...it doesnt cost me a thing cause frankly i dont need it,id rather scuff and roll on...as far as your saying of hp.. john hobson has seen my horsepower work awesome on a dryed out track.and was totally legal as are all of my engines..there is a difference between uncontrolable horsepower and controlable horsepower...like i said sometimes horsepower works sometimes it doesnt,sometimes prep works,sometimes it doesnt,but i do agree an engine wont do it all on its own you gotta have minimal bite to get anywhere...as far as payouts,this is kart racing and i dont plan on winning millions but a good purse does draw cars,i care less about the payout i am in it for the love of the sport..if i was in it to make a million i would have quit a long time ago,but enough purse to pay for the night is helpful...again i care less ill race any track as long as they are fair and unbiased..if frank thinks it will help go for it its his track....
 
I don't think there is a track to run on sunday around here so running 3 nights is out of the ?. i really hope a gallon of tire prep last longer than a weekend because you must be drinking the stuff if it doesn't but anyway i ain't gonna get on here and bull**** with someone about tire prep and their big hp on a slick track. So i think some people have to consider that Frank has one of the nicest tracks around. So that kinda takes some money to keep it all that nice i guess you could go run at a track that looks like **** and makes you feel like you are running in your backyard instead of a racetrack and have a higher payout but i think Bedrock is just fine the way it is. See yall at the track next spring
 
no sunday tracks around here no but are in many other places...and maybe the karters are drinkin the prep,i dont use the stuff,no need to..as far as big hp motor and and tire prep,no need to argue with you over it,i know what i am talkin about and can prove it,can you?i i run sedailia and lasoski and they are both great tracks,lasoski probably the nicest around,i also ran wellington kansas for 4 years(home of kart nationals),those are nice tracks so you got the **** tracks all backwards...bedrock is a nice track,i dont like the flatness but it makes for fun racing,frank does a great job on it and he as well is a great person,i care less about the payout or the damn tires they run,you wanted opinions that is what you got so dont bash everyone for giving the opinions they were asked for..see ya at the track...
 
yeah i can back it up and if i still had a kart i would come show you. i would think you would know about me backing up my **** when i came to flickerwood last year and you said you were gonna win.but we won't get into that stuff but i will probly see you at bedrock this year.my lil brother is getting back into a kart and if we sell a sprint chassis i may buy another one too. Jerry if you still have some of my karts for sale give me a call might wanna buy one back. oh yeah i have also been to both tracks you are talking about and both are run by the lyles and they couldn't run a track right if their life depending on it because it seems to me that certain motor builders have their way at those tracks but jmo so yall have a great winter and christmas see everyone at the rules meeting
 
ya too bad i led half the race at flickerwood,then got the shaft by a certain builder whom we will mention no names...you always have something to complain about weather it be illegal motors,or tracks or whatever,you didnt show me **** in ur kart and i seen you in the sprint a few times and well we wont go into that either....i would love for you to try and show me something,hope to see you this season,you are right about the lyles,but dont change the subject we were talkin about nice tracks and seems they run the nicest,weather they can run a track right or not you know im right..another thing,if you are refering to larry floyd,he is a hell of a guy and can gaurantee his motors are legal i have had many in my shop for freshening and they are up to par so try again..now im not gonna dirty up this post anymore arguing with you,guess well see who is full of crap when season starts huh..have a good one!!!
 
34 you are correct on the prep, you will never get rid of it. Lets face it guys racing in any form is expensive if you go at it full bore, but we all choose to race and we all do it because we like it and have fun with it. I think if Frank can get money from Burris that is great but it wont cut costs on the racers. I would guess just about everyone in st louis has burris tires so im sure he wont lose any karts. You can have the best motor, newest tires, best chassis and if you cant set it up you wont win I dont care who is driving the kart.
 
you are 100% correct john on every word you said,and i totally agree...most poeple keep atleast a few burris tires for the simple reason of burris tracks,if frank and the racers can benefit from the kickback i say go for it...i dont see the burris deal making anyone not come back to the track i think most the guys that run their dont really care..when i ran their 75% of the cars had burris on them..there is nothing wrong with a burris deal if they stick to the deal......
 
yeah you will probly see me at the track this year and if you did see me down at lake ozark this year i am not sure what your standards are for a pro like you in every division but making 2 of 4 a mains and having come from 15th to 5th in the one b main guess i didn't make it to your level cause i didn't win this year but anyway.yes you ain't gonna stop the prep but i think everyone that races bedrock with show up weather or not a burris track.So larry you and frank should make the choice on weather or not it is gonna help the track and the races that race their. I know there are many loyal guys that race at bedrock alot and they deserve the extra money or prizes at the end of the year. For any more comments Mr. Potter you can just im me you know how to get ahold of me.

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this post was started to find out what people think about being a all burris track . not sure what happened, but some where a long the way things got out of hand.we have been racing there from day one ,my son is a 2 time track champion in the lites and medium class . we have run burris and firestones and i think firestones are a better tire, but i work out there with frank and if burris is willing to kick some things our way for the racers. i will be ordering some new sets for my self.as far as prep i have been to tulsa and a old man out there told me if you are buying tire prep,you are wasting your money. all you need is wd40, and his son won the lite class.
 
I'd like to throw in my 2 cents and take it for what it's worth(not much) this is just my opinion on a few things in this post. It's been mentioned that the only winner is Burris getting more money and that the racer will not really be saving any money. Burris is a business and they're there to make money. As long as they make money they have the ability to give something give some back to the karting world. I think Burris does a good job of giving back. What about the racer saving money? Someone posted that at Greenville, 4 sets of tires were given away. Didn't the people that got the tires save money? Peronally, we have won several sets of tires from the series in Belle Rive, as well as certificates from the times we didn't win the tires. I have only paid full price for a couple tires because of this. Here's another thing. There was mention of the payout. What if, the Burris deal did include an actual cash benefit to the track. Maybe the payout could be increased to a bit higher percentage with the money from Burris being used to make up the difference for track upkeep or improvements. This would, in aroundabout way, be giving back to the racers. Personally I don't think the tires should be the main focus here as much as how the program can benefit both the track and the racers. It does indeed depend on the specifics of the program. Well, that's kinda my opinion anyway
 
good points from both,and i agree that prep isnt worth the money...wd-40 is good quick prep,works great if you can apply it and it dry just as you roll onto the grid...as far as tires saving money..you will save nno more money with a tire program then you will without,this is racing and tires is a place where you dont ever save...i have 50 tires and it still doesnt seem to be enough sometimes..all your top kart teams have over 100 tires,that is about $5000,thats what tires cost for my ump modified on a national level.....now i realize that most of the local belleville guys dont have that in tires but still the 4 sets that burris gives back when split up among the club doesnt go real far..now if they throw in ssome cash for frank i say you will benifit from it...like i have said through this hole thread if frank wants to do it and the racers and track will benefit, do it,i dont see it hurting any but i just dont see it saving any either..i could care less i am glad frank keeps the track up for another place to race..you asked for opinions so we gave them,got a little side tracked but that always is the case when a debate starts,and its the off season..lol....and brandon for the record i have no standards other then to race hard clean and fast,whatever comes of it comes of it...
 
To tell you the truth if they give anything to Frank do it because it kinda ****s getting beat by Kurt on those damn stones. So that might give larry alittle something to mess with at the beginning of the year so someone else can get in there and win. Because i know Larry loves his stones down there at Bedrock and they work really good.
 
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