crate bolts on ebay

Honestly if people want cheaper racing then go to a street stock, mini stock, sportsman, bomber or whatever you want to call it class of racing and forget trying to make these mega dollar hotrods, towing equipment, spare stuff, pitboxes, etc. etc. cheap to race!! Crate engine racing will NOT be cheaper than open motor if engines are allowed to be opened up and worked on. If the motors are not allowed to be repaired that also eliminates the value of a a crate engine. So you want cheaper---go to a cheaper class of racing to run and let the open stuff stay open!
 
Stipe Engines said:
Honestly if people want cheaper racing then go to a street stock, mini stock, sportsman, bomber or whatever you want to call it class of racing and forget trying to make these mega dollar hotrods, towing equipment, spare stuff, pitboxes, etc. etc. cheap to race!! Crate engine racing will NOT be cheaper than open motor if engines are allowed to be opened up and worked on. If the motors are not allowed to be repaired that also eliminates the value of a a crate engine. So you want cheaper---go to a cheaper class of racing to run and let the open stuff stay open!
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Well said, i could not agree more. What should be done is they should only be able to be fixed by fast track,cars,ump. Only one builder from each sanction, should be aproved. Then that will cut all that out. But on the other hand, it does not matter what you run there is still going to be cheaters. I mean look at the ump modifieds, they are becomming more expensive then a open late model.
 
went on vacation about 3 weeks ago down around gatlinburg, tenn., area,was watching my son play in a play area. i was wearing a midget racing t-shirt, and this guy who i never met came up to me and , after noticing my t-shirt, began talking racing. he said he runs a super late in the carolinas. we got to talking about crates, supers, etc., he said he has several sets of sealing bolts at his shop. i mentioned that these are like gold; i asked him do they say 'rm' on them, or are do they say 'gm'. he said they said 'gm' on them. he went on to say that he was approached by a very well known racer in the area(well known nationwide) who wanted a set. he said he priced them sky-high to deter the sale, since he really didn't want to sell. the guy didn't even flinch at the price, and even paid him extra to drive to the track where he would be at, paid for him and his buddies to get in, and bought them dinner afterwards. let's just say that bill was WAY over $1k. he told me, but i won't repeat it. this is a true story. you must want to take apart and work on an engine REAL BAD, to do all that.
 
Yea midget racer, I too heard that story on another website only you left out the best part. That "well known racer" was a Ford man and some how he put those bolts in a ford engine. And it made it past the track tech. (See, Ump isn't the worst when it comes to tech.) When the series tech caught it and asked the track tech how he let it run, the track tech pointed to the rule book and said the rule isn't chevy only, the rule is "must have GM sealing bolts". It's a true story. I swear to god it is.

Now I'll grant you that the bolts are costly, but that's because you have to work at the GM engine shop, one of the Nascar teams that GM gives parts to, or the contractor that makes the bolts for GM to get a set of black market (unaccounted for) bolts. But awhile back someone was selling special thick headed bolts and the instructions on how to turn them on a lathe to make your own. He also sold the "GM" stamp to authenticate them.

Now the easiest way to gain 25HP without losing your sealing bolts is to do a little porting and polishing with the intake still on. Its actully quite simple. Do what we did. You just use glass beads. You put very weak valve springs on one cylinder and set your rev limiter a few hundred rpm's more than your springs will float at. Three to four thousand rpm is your target. You remove the plug wire and ground it for the cylinder you want to work on first. You start the motor and let it warm up and then hold the throttle wide open against the rev limiter. Now with a hose you want to feed about 200lbs of glass beads through a hose through that cylinder. You can recycle the beads if you clean them. Repeat for all eight cylinders. This has been tested for a 25 HP gain and you won't get caught, I guarantee it. (I can guarantee you anything you want.) No ones been caught so far. But then again I don't know if anyone anywhere was caught with an illega engine this year. Like Stipe said "there are a ton of thing that can be done to these engines"
 
The Ebay bolts will not make it through tech at a Fastrak Touring race.
Just ask the guy from Popular Bluff that i threw out at the Malden race that had them.
The glass beading wont pass either, you can see that with a borascope.
 
I dont know about the ones on ebay, but there is some on there right now that come from a nacsar shop. Have all the marking in them. Get on e-bay and type in gm crate motors and it will pull up like 10 bolt sets for auction. One set is buy it now for $450.

Now Tracy answer me this? How many motors you have the head off of this year?How many do you just look at the bolts and if they are legal let them go? Not knowing they are not legal inside. How many cams did you profile? I am not putting you on the stand here just wondering.

All i know is this class needs to be tech better, not saying here in the midwest it is not being done, but down where crates are strong it is happening, and that is going to end up like that here. So what is going to be done the you can not get the bolts from GM? What is going to be done the keep this crate deal more equal? When Fastrack started this they said it was going to keep it a equal class, and keep out the cheaters, and be a low dollar class? What happened?

Like i said Tracy i am not putting you on the spot, but you just posted , on this so if you would answer some of my questions. I know there is always going to be cheaters, but sounds like they are getting out of hand.
 
The guy Midget Racer was referring to wasn't running a Ford. And he was somebody who has already been busted for cheating in crates in the past. And no, it wasn't David Gentry. So now you can pick a name from a few others. But obviously, if the story related to Midget Racer is true, getting busted once isn't deterring him from doing it again.
 
What happened is out of anyones control even Fastrak. Spec engine racing doesnt save big money!!! These engines ARE going to be taken apart and there are so many things that can be done to enhance performance it would take a top notch Nascar type tech crew to even police it all. People need to realize that rules usually end up costing more because of those trying to get around them and when you add the cost and aggravation of tech procedures it ends up costing not only the individual racer but the series itself. Think about it---a Richard Childress Racing built crate engine, you think the local tech guys would even KNOW what all to look for?? Not only that some of the dollar figures I see mentioned to do work on these engines are quite low---you can spend tens of thousands for all that can be done to these motors. Not only that a lot of the work would technically be legal or not even noticed. Its the unnoticed work that would add the thousands--like I said before there is a TON of things that can be done to these engines to enhance performance. Spec engine racing of this kind does not save any real big money---period. It does allow Chevrolet to dominate engine and parts sales while it removes the engine shops and parts houses that do more to support local racing. These facts are just now hitting the Fastrak series out west and it is definately throwing them a huge curve ball in the cost/support department.
 
Hey, Wheel Spinner, I just got done pouring 200lbs of glass bead down our intake manifold, what should I do next, It hardly cranks over know.
Maybe I should take out the spark plugs, it might crank enough to cycle the beads through.


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Thanks for the tip Wheel Spinner, It really sounds good, bet I gained
50 more HP.
I did recycle the beads if anyone want to try it.
 
"He said", "I heard", "it was a Ford", "it wasn't a Ford", $1000 bolts and "magic" beads.......LOL...sounds like B.S. to me!

Where are all these cheated up motors running at? With all that horsepower I'm sure they are dominating where ever they go!

00BusDriver
 
I even underlined the bit about "if it was true" so I can't say I am in disagreement with you that it could just be another racer's rumor.

But you conveniently forgot to mention that Cottrel threw a guy out for fake bolts. Going to call him a rumor monger too? That dude got fake bolts somewhere, and they were on his engine and he tried to race with it. Now, how many times do you think that person raced without being found out with that engine? Never heard of anyone getting tossed ANYWHERE else with fake GM bolts this year, did you? Think that was the first time he raced with that engine? Think he put it in just to go run one race? I don't.

So obviously, some people are trying to cheat. And as long as there is a perception of cheating in crates, then it doesn't matter how widespread it is, people will just equate winning in crates with cheating.
 
So lets see, we have a bunch of rumors and 1 guy that tried run a motor with fake bolts. And the 1 guy with fake bolts got thrown out BEFORE he raced......hmmm sounds like the system works to me!

And let's not forget that there is a claim rule in this class. If you think someone is cheating, put up the money and have him teched. Or better yet call the sanction and have them claim him...if he is cheating you will be a hero! If not go back to working on your car to get faster.

What's the problem??

00BusDriver
 
hey bus driver, where does/did it say in any post the guy got thrown out BEFORE he raced? or, is this just more 'he said,she said' on your part? doesn't most tech happen AFTER the race? please help me on this, beings you seem to have all the answers.
 
midget racer said:
hey bus driver, where does/did it say in any post the guy got thrown out BEFORE he raced? or, is this just more 'he said,she said' on your part? doesn't most tech happen AFTER the race? please help me on this, beings you seem to have all the answers.
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OK, so he got thrown out AFTER the race. What's the difference...he got thrown out and that's what counts!


00BusDriver
 
00BusDriver said:
OK, so he got thrown out AFTER the race. What's the difference...he got thrown out and that's what counts!


00BusDriver
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what's the difference? not much, really, except that in this case, you get on here and run your mouth about other people spewing forth b.s.,when in fact you make up b.s. yourself, and act like it's no big deal when you get called out on it. everything i said in my posts was true, as it was told to me 1st hand. the guy that the story refers to was a well known ex-winston cup driver.(and not the ford engine guy) i agree with your statement about just work on your car to make it faster... probably 75% of the guys out there would benefit from that statement; but if you are gonna slam other people for what they say, it would be a good idea to make sure what you say is fact.
 
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