food for thought on street stock sportsman debate

the main issue with converting a sportsman is the motor set back and body shape,,my yellow car was nothing more than a sportsman with the fenders removed,,i took a lot of heat for that,,the frame was legal and there is no rule regarding engine setback,,what was grandfathered in at highland was my 2 stub cars and stevensons car...they are done..to be comprtive the motor in a sportsman chassis will for sure need to b relocated,,but as a matter of fact we took ponders 7 car,installed a mod legal body and ran second in the heat and 4th in the feature at fayette co..with a rookie driver against some stout b-mods
 
Take a sportsman and put a steel body on it and remove the 3-link and put the stock upper trailing arms on and you now have a ump legal street stock, only problem not many tracks around here run ump street stocks, have to go to jacksonville, flora or brownstown.
 
racefan99 said:
Take a sportsman and put a steel body on it and remove the 3-link and put the stock upper trailing arms on and you now have a ump legal street stock, only problem not many tracks around here run ump street stocks, have to go to jacksonville, flora or brownstown.
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only three tracks around run the factory stocks to. So i say take the sportsman and factory stocks combine them into one and make them UMP street stocks. You would have a decent car count that way and the sportsman and factory stocks would have more places to run at instead of two or three. Its not going to be a huge money issue especially if you know how to do it yourself. Im sure Dean from Extreme Race cars would be willing to give you some advice on how to do it and maybe even help or do it. The factory stocks as far as rules are concerned need to go and i own one. Its time to change it up.
 
the steel body would be easy,,not so with converting to a 4 link as the rear clips on most sportsman are missing inportant mounting points,,let the street stocks make convert to 3 link,much easyer and a lot of sportsman run leaf springs,,,non that i know of have stock firewalls but they could require ,say,50 lbs in front of the mid plate...how bout this,,lets have a ss vs sportsman challange at I-55,,the streets get to run onpen motors,4bbl and Ds..the highest finishing ss gets a "C" note extra,,if one wins they get 2 hun more,,just a thought,,
 
No one in these classes are too worried about the ability to travel all over to race some big "unified national class". Evrryone involved in these classes are local racers racing for fun at their LOCAL track..think abt it, if all of us had the money to compete nationally or even regionally we'd probably be in a mod. LEAVE THE CLASSES ALONE AND LET RACERS HAVE OPTIONS. The first time we are told to take a quality " high dollar part"off of our car and replace it with something cheaper or stock we'll be going b-mod or crate racing at tc. Jmo.




Tom Turner
 
Exactly right hard lefts. There are classes for the guys who want to travel. I don't understand the "change it for the sake of changing it up" argument. I went from a Sportsman to a pure stock and the savings in buying less tires was huge by itself not to mention the cheaper motor.

Dean, why reinvent the wheel?

Allied is really the only ones that need to worry about changing the sportsman and from the car counts at Pevely I don't know why they would.

As far as Don's idea of taking expensive parts away one year at a time. Great idea....too bad allied has done the exact opposite with the sportsmans the last few years (tires, clutch, heads, etc).
 
Were any of you at the allied meeting? It was announced that the sportman and factory stock classes were to be merged over the next few years. I didnt say they did. I am giving constructive ideas on how to do that. I dont give a **** what happens to the sportman for I dont have one. All you thinking that this is for my benefit ,your wrong. Allied again allied made the announcement not me. So if they meant what they said there will soon no longer be a sportsman class. It amazes me how uninformed some posts are.
 
turn left said:
Were any of you at the allied meeting? It was announced that the sportman and factory stock classes were to be merged over the next few years. I didnt say they did. I am giving constructive ideas on how to do that. I dont give a **** what happens to the sportman for I dont have one. All you thinking that this is for my benefit ,your wrong. Allied again allied made the announcement not me. So if they meant what they said there will soon no longer be a sportsman class. It amazes me how uninformed some posts are.
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No my friend you are the uninformed one here. It was said at the meeting that they were exploring the possibilities of combing the two classes in the future, not that they were to be merged over the next few years.
 
Ok ok you guys are right. Sportman class is a strong growing class. Allied will never change things. I know nothing about it. Live long and prosper. See ya at the track, good luck. Roger out!!
 
gaither_racing said:
You need a big motor to compete with ump street stocks I tried it a year or 2 ago by putting an allumanium intake and a 500 holly on my car I went to the big show they had at brownstown and didn't stand a chance. Now taking a sportsman and making it would be no problem but taking my factory stock to a ump street stock would be hard to do
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Tommy,,,,My son,BJ Deal,,runs a ump street stock at Brownstown some. He does not have a "large" motor. 360 cu in is no large motor. He finished 3rd in nation this year with this engine and one engine only. He and his crew works hard on the car and granted BJ can drive very well. Unload the car and work on it through the week,,do research on chassis ideas,handeling,shocks,gears, etc. You will be suprised what is getting you beat...I am not dissing you or your driving style at all,,I just know from watching you race,there is more you can do to improve the racer. Pay attention to the top competitors and their race car.
 
I have been mentioning for a few years that this should be done. it will be tought to do but they should end up with something similar to a UMP street stock. The way things are going though, I think they should do things to LOWER the cost of the bomber class even more and make it so sportsman and b-mods could race together. the engine and suspension rules are pretty much the same and for some reason everybody and their brother wants to get a b-mod. The problem with combining the sportsman and bombers, in my opinion, is some people are going to have to spend a bunch of money and then there wont be a really cheap class to start off in.

I also disagree with hard lefts, i tried to race my sportsman all over the midwest, and it is a mess. That is why i moved up to modifieds, but i cant afford that class. i have NO interest in being a one track wonder. it doesnt do anything for me.
 
Im familiar with who you are and what you do jimmy, and no disrespect but some might say maybe instead of multiple cars and multiple tracks and all that traveling and whining about being outgunned all the time you could focus on one or two tracks and get dialed in for those and enjoy a better chance of success. I wont say that bcuz thats your perogative and your decision, but thats just simply a difference of opinion.
 
ALCOHOL said:
Tommy,,,,My son,BJ Deal,,runs a ump street stock at Brownstown some. He does not have a "large" motor. 360 cu in is no large motor. He finished 3rd in nation this year with this engine and one engine only. He and his crew works hard on the car and granted BJ can drive very well. Unload the car and work on it through the week,,do research on chassis ideas,handeling,shocks,gears, etc. You will be suprised what is getting you beat...I am not dissing you or your driving style at all,,I just know from watching you race,there is more you can do to improve the racer. Pay attention to the top competitors and their race car.
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The Ump Street Stocks at B Town are a totally different class than the Ump street stock at Tricity, which i believe Tommy runs.The names are confusing. Tricity is a street stock, Highland is a Factory Stock, and Belle Claire is a Pure Stock.You can run a pretty much open engine( porting , high compression,solid cam etc). at B town.There is no way you can take a car that is built to the specs of these classes and run with a B Town Ump Street Stock.I wish all the tracks would settle on one name for the class. No way a Tricity Ump street stock can compete with a B Town Ump Street Stock.
 
ALCOHOL said:
Tommy,,,,My son,BJ Deal,,runs a ump street stock at Brownstown some. He does not have a "large" motor. 360 cu in is no large motor. He finished 3rd in nation this year with this engine and one engine only. He and his crew works hard on the car and granted BJ can drive very well. Unload the car and work on it through the week,,do research on chassis ideas,handeling,shocks,gears, etc. You will be suprised what is getting you beat...I am not dissing you or your driving style at all,,I just know from watching you race,there is more you can do to improve the racer. Pay attention to the top competitors and their race car.
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Ya but your 360 is solid lift cam mine is hydraulic,pistons are totally different everything about them is differnt besides the steel body rule. I'm just saying for me to run the true ump street stock rules I would be building a new car. Also why change the bomber or factory stock class that is growing in numbers? Just because the sportsman class is declining in numbers
 
OK... I got involved. UMP has names for the classes. They are UMP Factory Stock, which is Tri City, Highland, and Belle Claire cars. Then they have the UMP Stock Car, which is BTown. There really isn't that much difference between the 2 classes. Then there is the Sportsman. Not much difference in the UMP Stock Car, and the Sportsman, which Dean has been saying for years... If anyone wants the actual dyno numbers from my 355 c.i. engine, I will text a picture of the sheet to you. It is not that big. Trust me! Never had one, never needed one. The idea in these cars are to get them through the corner without using a pull bar to accelerate off the corner.

Hit me up if anyone wants the numbers. 618-267-5370

BJ Deal
 
HardLeft has a good topic if it is getting people this fired up.
The "stock" full frame is approaching the end of life cycle. Most vintage stock car racing allows for more advanced chassis than the sportsman and street stock cars. I agree that it is time to start looking for that new class of cars.
The 4 cyl front wheel drive class is proof that racing is about competition and not all about speed. While everybody likes the Dirt Late Models and A-Mods the tracks can put butts in the seats not only with friends and families of the drivers but good competition.

This is the time to start looking to expand the stock car concept and look towards the development of "current" technology with struts, independent suspensions, fuel injection, electronic engine management, and front wheel drive. Perhaps create a 3.7 liter class, a 2.8 liter class, and under 1.6 liter class. This technology is what the 18-35 year olds are growing up with and as this concept expands, the creative engineering in the gray area will develop the next modified classes. The next generation of tech inspectors will come from the mechanics that work with these cars everyday.

While I am one of the old farts that has my opinion of what race cars should be I am getting tired of the buy it off the shelf race cars of today. This mentality has totally permeated the Sprint car, Midget, Dirt Late Models, and the Modified divisions taking the "pink radiator cap" to a competition of checkbooks and not developing a individual engineering mentality.

note: The story goes that when a car was beating the competition too often the team painted the radiator cap pink and the next week all of the cars had pink radiator caps.

Just my opinion.
 

combine the two .. shuoldve been done years ago. get rid of the junk rochester 2 barrell ..the car count would be skyrocketed . tracks could up the purses then.. more fans would be at tracks on a weekly basis . there are more used sportsman parts floating around than there is pure stock or factory stock whatever they call them . they are already heading in the direction of a sportsman.. as far as motors go they will still work and be plenty competitive .....
 
so what are the cars called at tricity ?? street stock or factory stock or pure street?? the flyers say street stock??? just had this discussion on another thread jimmy d .. said they are not
street stocks?? confused ?? what are they????
 
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