Rules meeting

I thought it was already understood that aftermarket rods were illegal? :confused: Beware of the BowTie, they're pretty intimidating! :rolleyes:

How about leave them all bone stock and let the drivers come to the front? On smaller tracks a REAL driver can overcome a HP disadvantage. I saw Bill do it several times at Doe Run at the end of the season with a motor that was as stock as it gets, including the stock rings out of the factory.

On a track like Doe Run or maybe even The Rock, a guy can get away with not putting as much into the motor and let the driving ability make up for the rest but at MCS I think you're more likely to see the guys that have bigger budgets shine because they have a bigger track for those HP motors to stretch their legs.

I know this isn't realistic but I thought I would put it out there anyway. :D
 
harris69 said:
Jon you are very much correct, but I don't think that counts on the intake where the spacer has to be ground on to work.It means no porting or polishing where the intake bolts to the head . The"Hustler"
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Is that concerning the GM? The intake adapter on mine is not ground to fit, it probably could use some to make it more efficient though.
 
All of the other cars and trucks besides the Ford have to make their adapters so they can run a Holley carb. I would have to say that working on the adapters would not be classified as illegal. I will check with Bob and post back if it is illegal to work on them around the carb adapter. The "Hustler"
 
wolf I've got a stock efi intake that has a 4 to a 2 bl adapter welded to it. I also cleaned up the inside to make all four cylinders fire equal. Does this mean that my intake is not legal. MIKE MEYER 59m
 
if you guys will let me run with the mod 4 I will come up one time and show you what I pull and how I run I am just stating what I learned from running under a vac. rule for 4 years
 
Harris69

I have a efi intake that i welded a 4 to 2 bl adapter to. Also cleaned up inside to make all four cylinders flow equal. Is it legal MIKE MEYER 59m
 
Mike, if the intake has been worked on around the carb adapter I will say that that area is legal. If you have worked on it around the port side ,it is illegal.This is by DRR rules and I would have to say that for the RAMS also. The"Hustler"
 
coloradojoe said:
I have a efi intake that i welded a 4 to 2 bl adapter to. Also cleaned up inside to make all four cylinders flow equal. Is it legal MIKE MEYER 59m
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The intake has four round runners each going to e.ach cylinder. If you don,t equal all four, the two ouer cylinders will run lean and the two centers will run rich. THIS WAS MY ONLY QUESTION MIKE'S DAD
 
WingsRock said:
I thought it was already understood that aftermarket rods were illegal? :confused: Beware of the BowTie, they're pretty intimidating! :rolleyes: You have some aftermarket rods now running..How about leave them all bone stock and let the drivers come to the front? On smaller tracks a REAL driver can overcome a HP disadvantage. I saw Bill do it several times at Doe Run at the end of the season with a motor that was as stock as it gets, including the stock rings out of the factory.Bring out the hornets.. serisoulsy that would be a fun class to start around here... just allowe them to put a better cage in them I saw some horents that had death cages :eek: On a track like Doe Run or maybe even The Rock, a guy can get away with not putting as much into the motor and let the driving ability make up for the rest but at MCS I think you're more likely to see the guys that have bigger budgets shine because they have a bigger track for those HP motors to stretch their legs. yeah stock don't do good thereI know this isn't realistic but I thought I would put it out there anyway. :D
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how you all been ol wheel never calls me any more I gues the brute ford power scared him off :D :D :D
 
since we have 2 threads going

harris69 said:
I have a few question,#1 Where did the mini stock class begin at ? #2 Why was this class brought to this area ? The RAMS cars and trucks are not that far off from the DRR rules. The biggest thing that I have noticed between the 2 are that some of the RAMS vehicles handle alot better. The DRR guys are picking this up and starting to scale their cars now so they can and will be more competitive. I personally don't think DRR will change their rules to what the RAMS rules are. Bobby has changed a few rules for 2005 to try and allow better safety and alittle better competition to the guys. I personnally hope he leaves his rules as they are and not get them to where a person has to invest alot of money to be competitive. That is what this class was first brought to this area for and Bob has tried to stay with that in mind .Before I get dogged about the beginning of the mini stocks and knowing what it begain as, just remember that Steve Harris (my brother) saw this class of cars in Colorado and liked what they there to be. He talked with Bob and the mini stocks were born in our area to be an INEXPENSIVE type class so anyone could afford to have one. This class is like any other class , if a driver has the sponsors and is willing to over invest in the car for low pay, he is going to do it. I have one of them in my garage and we all do it. DRR had a car count of 18 on any given nite, so why would they want to change a bunch of rules. JMO The"Hustler"
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first kenny this is not a rams vrs doe run thread but your commets make it sound that way.

this thread is about doe run frederictown mcs and any other track joining in a universal set of rules...

lets draw out a picture here for everybody to see and understand....

this is for illistration purpose only

lets say doe run fredericktown and SFCR all have mini's

lets say no compramise can be made on rules at all
when the rock rain's out you will get 2 to 3 cars to go to doe run cause they met there rules... where if we all had the same rules you could get 10 or more which sound sound better for the promoter pocket book??

okay now lets revirse the sitution and doe run rains out
we may get a few car from drr but other will not come becuase we are allowed to do more to our motors and they fell they cannot compete who lose's out there promotor and the racers

which leads me to my 3 secerio what if (remeber this is my dream world) SFCR picks up mini's and use's a 3 rd set of rules totally differnt than DRR and the RAMS... then your going hto have DRR racers and RAMS wanting to change there home track rules because 90% of the ministocks love to race the big track at SFCR!!!

Now I was not a mini driver when the split came about
I don't care what happens then I JUST WANT TO RACE A MINI AT ANY TRACK AND BE WITHIN THE RULE AND COMPETITIVE... 90% of the drivers fell this way there is a die hard 10% that want the fuel the fire between Mini's let just race...

as far as if we got all the rules worked out and had 3 local tracks my race schedul would be the rock (my hometrack) and sfcr and then when rainouts I would come to drr....

the only two reason I'm in a MINI now is... they came to the rock and they are cheeper.... still got my purestreet to drive but these Mini's are more fun and you can really tweak them...

as far as the rule being differnt
mostrules that are in conflict whith each other was made in the made in the 2002 off season which would have been the rules for 2003 .... now last year we had to define some rule becuase people was reading more into the rules than there and we tried to take the confuison out....

Bottom line lets get one set of rules for this area so anybody can race any where and be in the rules and have a chance at winning!! is that to much to ask???? or at least dream about...
 
Do all tracks have one set of rules for Sportsman?
Modified? Pure street? Hornets? any other class?
Just a question...
 
Just an answer...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! ALL tracks DO NOT have the same rules for Sportsman, Modifieds, Pure Streets, etc. I believe that Fredericktown and SFCR have the same rules for both the Sportsman and Modifieds, but that's about it. A few good examples from the Sportsman class are:

Pevely - If SFCR rains out and a local guy wants to race at Pevely, he would have to make changes. He would NOT be "allied" legal. Shoot, even for the Fall Nationals, SFCR cars had to weigh more than the allied cars.

Montgomery County - While it may be minor things (not sure), I believe that SFCR cars have to make changes in order to race there.

Brownstown, Greenville, Tri-City, etc....these tracks do NOT ALL have the same rules. Changes have to be made to the cars if you CHOOSE to go race there...if you want to be competitive.
 
BAD BOB said:
Do all tracks have one set of rules for Sportsman?
Modified? Pure street? Hornets? any other class?
Just a question...
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GREAT QUESTION BAD BOB!!!!! yes and no let take the hornet when you build them cars you have to watch which motor they have or you can't run every track... purestreets southest part are trying Benton the rock and popular bluff all tried to make the rules simular it worked pretty good
now modify most tracks have "adopted" imca rules to gain car count... and even this year the rock and SFCR worked together to get there hobby stock/prostrret rules close to each other and I 55 .... this is what some are trying to do on MINI's I would like to have the option of racing 3 tracks and the potintal to win at any track under one set of rules....
 
i know ...

it sure would be nice smurf. when i go to louisiana, i'm buying 2 ministocks, bringing them back. jr. going to buy one and have it to race. i'm going to fix the other one to race. i'll have mine, and the ozbornes will have my old one. that is 4 cars that will all be togeather on a race night. would like to run doerun, but also want to run for the points championship. bill says he wants to run for points, but also wants to run doerun. i don't know if bill knows this, but, he won't get any points if doe run does'nt join up. just hope bobby will give us a chance to talk with him.
 
So, Wolf, are you NOT going to race at The Rock if Doe Run "joins up" in this so-called circus you guys are running? I mean, if you are getting 2 cars and say that is 4 cars that will be racing together, that will take a chunk away from Fredericktown, right??? What will happen to the RAMS?
 
Here Is The Sportsman Scenerio As Best I Can Figure......

Allied Has Their Own Rules. They Always Seem To Be A Little More Limited Than The Others Motor Wise. They Run Street Stock Tires.

Highland And Brownstown Are What I Feel Too Open. "visibly Stock" Motor Rules. This Allows The Guys To Run Roller Motors. "visibly Stock" Explains It. Brownstown Goes A Step Further Out And Allows 4 Bbl's And Bert/brinn Tranny's. They Run E-mods.

Tri-city, Godfrey, Greenville And Montgomery Co. Are On Par With Each Other Motor Wise. No Rollers, After Market Heads, 2bbl Gas. Only Monkey Wrench In The Case Is Montgomery's Suspension Rules. Mont Co. Runs Street Stock Tires. tcs, godfrey and g-ville run e-mods.

Sfcr And The Rock Motor Wise Is On Par With Tcs, Godfrey And Mont Co. I Believe Sfcr And The Rock Allow More Carb Than The Others Though. The Others Except For Brownstown Allow 5oo 2 Bbl's. Does Farmington Allow 3-link Rear Suspension?

So You Have 10 Tracks......

1 Allows 4 Bbl's
1 Allows Bert/brinn Tanny's
2 Allows Roller Motors
1 Has Stock Suspension Rules Front And Back
1 Has Stock Suspension On Rear??? Sfcr???
2 Have Different Carb Rules
5 Run Ss Tires
5 Run E-mods

Allied Has Intake Limits, Compression Limits, Piston In The Hole Limits. They Are Allowing Aftermarket Heads This Year With The Compression Limit. But, They Aren't Allowing The Vortechs.
 
FaithfulFan said:
So, Wolf, are you NOT going to race at The Rock if Doe Run "joins up" in this so-called circus you guys are running? I mean, if you are getting 2 cars and say that is 4 cars that will be racing together, that will take a chunk away from Fredericktown, right??? What will happen to the RAMS?
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what you calling a cicus the rock or the rams??? it hard to explain on here on the signing up thing....
I don't know all the details but it was something like this

all competing tracks rock drr mcs (maybe sfcr)

with running for points at your "home" track you can also compete for (misouri ministock championship) you will get to take the best 18 out of 35 finish's for prize money

kinda like ump so the only stipulation is therhave to run a approved track..... this is where some members would like t see about the rules differnce so it would be far for all the mini's duck or Millsey wolf or shannon know more about htis than I do but this is what I understood :confused: :)
 
The points system should not have anything to do with a track joining the RAMS or not. If you guys set up your points system like UMP so the driver can race where ever he wants it would be up to the secretary to check with the other tracks to find out where you RAMS finished. You guys need to have a points system that gives the guy that races a track that has more cars a better points to win. Example for winning a feature: 20 cars or more 60pts ,15-19 cars 50pts,10-15 cars 40pts, 9 cars or less 30pts to win and adjust on down the line. This will give a driver the opportunity to race where ever he wants and the tracks don't have to be for or against any organization.then a driver can race for 2 and possibly 3 championships.This will also make the guy that tries to cherry pick a track with less cars be penalized with the points system. I am just trying to help and not make anyone mad. Think about it . JMO The"Hustler"
 
Smurf, right now I'm calling the RAMS a circus...cause that's what it's like right now. Whos in control of things???? Maybe I should run for President.
I understand the points aspect of it. I may be of the opposite sex of the majority of racers, but I'm VERY familiar with the way UMP runs things and rules/points systems in general. I understand that ya'all are wanting to go with the same basic set-up...to a certain extent. Kinda like The Rock used to be UMP sanctioned for the late models, so when they raced there, they got UMP points for the week, plus track points. If a track wasn't sanctioned, they couldn't count the track points as UMP points. I understand both sets of points...one for the track, the other for the "sanctioning body". Same goes for the modifieds (UMP). My question is this though....are there enough guys at DRR that are interested in this points system to even bother with it? I think there is enough interest at Montgomery County, but not sure about DRR.
 
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