the bloomquist tire

44taylorfan said:
O yea that's right... You make it possible for people to CHEAT AND BREAK RULES!!!!
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Then in your mind these people also make it possible to cheat:

Ford
Chevy
Dodge
Edlebrock
Weiand
JEGS
O'reillys
Walmart
Autozone
PepBoys
NAPA
anyone that makes octane booster/gas additives
anyone that makes engine parts
any tire maker
any rotor maker (dang those slotted rotors!)
any traction control device maker

All of these make or sell products that COULD be used to cheat in a given class.

People/producers provide a service or product. Its the INDIVIDUALS RESPONSIBILTY to follow the rules of their class. This stuff isn't against the rules in all classes. Ultimately it's the driver/team who is cheating. Not the producers. And yes, if caught breaking the rules people should be punished severly otherwise there is no deterant.

I haven't even started racing yet, so I am looking at this from the outside.

One thing I will say is that "cheating" has been going on since the dawn of racing. I was going through a scrap book from the 50's and 60's from Kirksville speedway. There were newspaper articles about racers suspected of cheating and some caught even back then. Go Studebakers with chevy 1 ton rear ends! LOL

Just my 2 cents.
 
cngracin said:
There are also a lot of people seeing right through your BS! What happened to your saving racing from tire treatment campaign you were so vocal about just a little while back!?!?!? :rolleyes:
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My BS??? What I have said on here is nothing but the truth.

As far as me saving racing from tire treatment, well how can I help when racing doesn't want help. I've contacted these sanctioning bodies and offered my services to stop tire prep. You know what EVERY ONE OF THEM said? No thanks. They don't care about this subject as much as these people think, especially as much as you people care. So do you know what I say to that? Nothing, I'll keep doing what I'm doing then. If they don't care, then neither do I.
 
Brattrw said:
People/producers provide a service or product. Its the INDIVIDUALS RESPONSIBILTY to follow the rules of their class. This stuff isn't against the rules in all classes. Ultimately it's the driver/team who is cheating. Not the producers. And yes, if caught breaking the rules people should be punished severly otherwise there is no deterant.
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You know I couldn't of said it any better myself. Thank you for someone finally getting the fact that I am not the one cheating. Yes I make a product that is illegal in some forms of racing, but there are far more customers that I sell to that it's legal for them. Hard for some to comprehend that I guess. I understand though, it is rocket science :confused:.
 
The one thing i dont get is everyone bashing the people prepping the tires and not the ones using them ? If it makes you that upset then you should be taking it out on those cheating. I can tell you if you made money doing something legally you would. Become a tech person , get a degree in chemical science , do the research to know how to detect what is being used and catch those cheating. Its so easy to point the finger at the guy behind the scene . I wont see you calling out the ones using the tires . I dont like the prepping either but fact is its there and until the sanctioning bodies do something it will continue. As it is right now if your not doing it your behind plain and simple. If someone starts policing and penalizing there will be no business for those prepping the tires till then they are just business men trying to make a buck like everyone else. JM2C Roger Stryker
 
Roger was someone at one time that really knocked me, and what I sell. He doesn't like what I sell, but he understands why I do it. Thanks Roger.
 
bleed_blue16 said:
My BS??? What I have said on here is nothing but the truth.
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I wasn’t calling “BS” on your tire prep facts… I’m calling BS on all the noise you’ve been making on here from BOTH sides of the fence! :rolleyes:

First you’re going to SAVE stock car racing from tire prep!!!” …. Oh wait…. Now you’re going to continue to improve your products ability not to be detected… Oh wait, … Next you’re proclaiming “tire prepping is a scourge on racing” … Oh wait, … Then you say you hope sanctioning bodies do not discover effective ways to detect it. :rolleyes:

bleed_blue16 said:
I've contacted these sanctioning bodies and offered my services to stop tire prep. You know what EVERY ONE OF THEM said? No thanks.
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I don’t blame them… That’s a lot like when computer hackers or malicious programmers (people who create computer viruses) going to computer and software companies asking for large sums of money to fix the problems, they themselves did. Seems to me you were wanting financial reward for curing the problem you assisted in creating.




Look, I don’t really care if you make your tire prep products… I really don’t care whom you sell it to. I’m not going to blame you or anyone else for racers cheating. It’s just one of those things that go with the sport… Just pick a side of the dang side fence to be on and stick to it!!!

... And just my opinion but you may be hurting your own business by continuing to insinuate all users on here are not smart enough to understand your points. :mad:
 
Look if they don't want my help stopping tire prep then so be it. I will never change my statement saying "if they want my help then I will gladly discuss it. But not for free." Until they want my help, I will continue to do what I do. There is no wishy washy statement there.

Now with that said oh course I don't want them to be able to detect what I do if they aren't paying me to stop it. What kind of sense would that make? If you consider that being on both sides of the fence, then maybe I am in your eyes. I do this because I enjoy it, and make money from it. If I was stopping it I would also enjoy it, as well as make money from it. I'm on one side of the fence, but could be on the other side if the situation arises.

Vegas is a prime example. When they go out and stop cheating gamblers, they hire people that were cheaters themselves. You know why? Because they know what to look for. Same goes for this case. If these sanctioning bodies really want to stop this then they need to get people who know what to look for, not just some official to come say let me see your tires. That's easy to see I would think.

I'm not hurting my business at all. I'm not saying that the people that tire prep or are thinking of tire prepping can't comprehend the point I'm making. I'm saying that it seems that some of the people posting the same old comment over and over aren't comprehending the point I'm making. Not the consumer sir.
 
jdearing said:
On the local level they have used chemical detectors (sniffers) on tires. However, the tire treatment manufacturers have those sniffers as well and design their treatment not to be detected by those.

WoO sent Bloomquist's tire to an lab to have it analyzed and that is how they discovered he was using something. It is pretty expensive to do that so I'm not sure it is feasible to do it regularly on the local level.
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maybe hoosier should get involved
 
Brattrw said:
Then in your mind these people also make it possible to cheat:

Ford
Chevy
Dodge
Edlebrock
Weiand
JEGS
O'reillys
Walmart
Autozone
PepBoys
NAPA
anyone that makes octane booster/gas additives
anyone that makes engine parts
any tire maker
any rotor maker (dang those slotted rotors!)
any traction control device maker

All of these make or sell products that COULD be used to cheat in a given class.

People/producers provide a service or product. Its the INDIVIDUALS RESPONSIBILTY to follow the rules of their class. This stuff isn't against the rules in all classes. Ultimately it's the driver/team who is cheating. Not the producers. And yes, if caught breaking the rules people should be punished severly otherwise there is no deterant.

I haven't even started racing yet, so I am looking at this from the outside.

One thing I will say is that "cheating" has been going on since the dawn of racing. I was going through a scrap book from the 50's and 60's from Kirksville speedway. There were newspaper articles about racers suspected of cheating and some caught even back then. Go Studebakers with chevy 1 ton rear ends! LOL

Just my 2 cents.
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It's funny... Everytime "blue" has a statement on a tire thread, there are always 2, 3, 4 new members to defend his "BS"... odd???
 
So what happens when a customer buys ur product and then u start helping techs detect it? U wanna sell this stuff to people and then have the sanctioning bodies help u catch them?
 
See cngracin, these are the ones that I'm saying aren't smart enough to comprehend. How did you guys do in English/Reading in school? Not so good?
 
Intake said:
Hey!! I can be just like Bleed Blue on this one!

I have a Brezinski 2bbl intake that I can sell you, then I can turn around and pop you in tech for running it! :eek::D
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First i am guessing you have it cause you ran it !! Second there is no law against selling it , its the person buying it who chooses to run it where its legal or not . If you catch someone cheating do you penalize the one who is running it or the one who sold them the part? We need to be smarter about this , if you catch and punish those cheating you have less problem with people cheating. It is the sanctioning bodies responcibility to police this not the other way around.
 
turn left said:
First i am guessing you have it cause you ran it !! Second there is no law against selling it , its the person buying it who chooses to run it where its legal or not . If you catch someone cheating do you penalize the one who is running it or the one who sold them the part? We need to be smarter about this , if you catch and punish those cheating you have less problem with people cheating. It is the sanctioning bodies responcibility to police this not the other way around.
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You are correct Roger. From what I've been told(could be true, could be false) Intake was caught with an illegal engine for his sportsman car, now he is an official. Now I didn't see this with my own two eyes, so I could be way off. But looks to me its a do as I say, not as I do thing with him.?????hmmm
 
bleed_blue16 said:
You are correct Roger. From what I've been told(could be true, could be false) Intake was caught with an illegal engine for his sportsman car, now he is an official. Now I didn't see this with my own two eyes, so I could be way off. But looks to me its a do as I say, not as I do thing with him.?????hmmm
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Nope didn't have an illegal engine, guess again!

If seeing it with your own two eyes is of any concern to you, then why are you running your mouth about something you have no knowledge of?
 
Intake said:
Nope didn't have an illegal engine, guess again!

If seeing it with your own two eyes is of any concern to you, then why are you running your mouth about something you have no knowledge of?
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Like I said, I didn't know that to be a fact as I clearly stated. But you don't have a problem running your mouth about something you know nothing about(ie tire prep). Oh wait, you are an expert on tire prep. Sorry.
 
44taylorfan said:
It's funny... Everytime "blue" has a statement on a tire thread, there are always 2, 3, 4 new members to defend his "BS"... odd???
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Actually I wasn't defending Blue, I was stating that the other argument against him made no sense.

Think what ever you want I really don't care. But if you accuse a person who makes a tire treatment of "cheating" then you have to accuse ANYONE who makes ANYTHING that could be used in a specific class of racing as a cheater too.
 
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