upcoming b-mod payouts?

the b-mod class provides great racing I don't know how many nights at tri city drivers such as myself have driven from row 7-8 or deeper for a top 5 finish and this occurs almost every night so I think the b-mod cars do put on great racing.. definitedly not boring
 
hornets dont belong on a racetrack i dont consider 4cyl front wheel drive cars to be race cars. lol maybe im the only one that dont like bmods but everyone will cheat them up to and they will be gone in a few years to and will end up bringing down amod car counts in the long run. jmo
 
I know most people won't like this but I don't think you'll ever keep the entry level class affordable. The entry level classes will continue to start up, grow and die off in a quick evolution and short life. Because racers are their own worst enemy.

If you want to run the cheapest affordable class then you need to prepare to change classes every 5 years or so.


Look at every one of the entry level classes. They all start strong and die off. Sportsmans, street stocks, pro 4's.....bmod will be next. But right now they are the hot class.
 
Racers don't necessarily kill off entry level classes, though I get what you're driving at. I think promoters kill them off catering to the racers who have cash.

If there was a claim rule in effect for the hornet class, say $750 gets you the car minus seat, belts and net and the track promoter claimed any car that won 2 features and sold it for $750 to anyone who had never raced before, how much do you think guys would spend to race in that class? I bet it would be less than $750.

There are creative ways to keep costs in check for an "affordable" starter class and get more people to compete.

You could do the same with other classes too, provided the promoter has the money to do it. Say claim a b-mod engine for a certain amount equivalent to a run of the mill b-mod engine to encourage people to work on setup more than buying or cheating for horsepower.

The crate deal for LM was supposed to be a $5000 engine package, race it till it's dead then sell it to a hot rodder and buy another new one. That went straight in the crapper as soon as the first sanction decided they could make more money for themselves by "certifying" a rebuilder (for a cash payment to the sanctioning body, of course) and letting racers rebuild them. UMP said whatever, but "if we tear you down and you are illegal".... Then rarely tore anyone down, not enough to deter anyone. In any case, there was so much that could be done legally to the crate to make it a premier crate engine over a box stock one and stay legal that again, money won. But there were ways to keep the engines box stock, and it wasn't the racers who allowed rebuilds to start. That was all down to the promoters, and you reap what you sow.

Anyway, my point is racers will always spend money to go faster, unless that money isn't going to stay in their own car. So find ways to discourage spending money in the starter classes instead of caving in to guys waving dollar bills and you will probably see a class that will grow and thrive for years instead of sprouting like a dandelion on acid and wilting away to nothing in no time.
 
t.nie said:
Racers don't necessarily kill off entry level classes, though I get what you're driving at. I think promoters kill them off catering to the racers who have cash.

If there was a claim rule in effect for the hornet class, say $750 gets you the car minus seat, belts and net and the track promoter claimed any car that won 2 features and sold it for $750 to anyone who had never raced before, how much do you think guys would spend to race in that class? I bet it would be less than $750.

There are creative ways to keep costs in check for an "affordable" starter class and get more people to compete.

You could do the same with other classes too, provided the promoter has the money to do it. Say claim a b-mod engine for a certain amount equivalent to a run of the mill b-mod engine to encourage people to work on setup more than buying or cheating for horsepower.

The crate deal for LM was supposed to be a $5000 engine package, race it till it's dead then sell it to a hot rodder and buy another new one. That went straight in the crapper as soon as the first sanction decided they could make more money for themselves by "certifying" a rebuilder (for a cash payment to the sanctioning body, of course) and letting racers rebuild them. UMP said whatever, but "if we tear you down and you are illegal".... Then rarely tore anyone down, not enough to deter anyone. In any case, there was so much that could be done legally to the crate to make it a premier crate engine over a box stock one and stay legal that again, money won. But there were ways to keep the engines box stock, and it wasn't the racers who allowed rebuilds to start. That was all down to the promoters, and you reap what you sow.

Anyway, my point is racers will always spend money to go faster, unless that money isn't going to stay in their own car. So find ways to discourage spending money in the starter classes instead of caving in to guys waving dollar bills and you will probably see a class that will grow and thrive for years instead of sprouting like a dandelion on acid and wilting away to nothing in no time.
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Todd is spot on regarding the crates. There was zero engine teching in this class in the last few years. I think the last time that UMP tried to tech an engine (three or four years ago) both guys refused. What does that tell you? You can still cheat with sealed engines and I will bet you that many are doing it today.

UMP and local promoters need to listen to the interviews that the big dogs like Birky Bloomer and Moyer. All are saying that cost are out of control. If that's the case for these guys then its obviously worse for the local racer. They need to limit tire compounds, engine costs, shock costs etc. Do you see that happening? I don't think so. UMP also needs to put some of their collected funds into the local track purses to help them attract and keep racers. JMHO
 
With many of the lower classes drying up I think Bmods cost to much to run , some bmods can put a big carb an compete with a lot of amods. would like to see sportmods as a starter class , have seen some good racing in central Mo. in sportmod classes .
 
racin90 said:
Ive seen some close racing in the b mods at tri city. Actually with the smaller carb and less horses going to the tires they race alot cleaner and side by side
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you are right them guys do some good side by side race jimmy dearing you are wrong about a-mod/b-mod not putting butts in the stands we might find out next yr. at Pevely!!!
 
kreke13 said:
Todd is spot on regarding the crates. There was zero engine teching in this class in the last few years. I think the last time that UMP tried to tech an engine (three or four years ago) both guys refused. What does that tell you? You can still cheat with sealed engines and I will bet you that many are doing it today.

UMP and local promoters need to listen to the interviews that the big dogs like Birky Bloomer and Moyer. All are saying that cost are out of control. If that's the case for these guys then its obviously worse for the local racer. They need to limit tire compounds, engine costs, shock costs etc. Do you see that happening? I don't think so. UMP also needs to put some of their collected funds into the local track purses to help them attract and keep racers. JMHO
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Another deal is gm isnt making repo parts for them anymore. So if one gets rebuilt it will have aftermarket parts in it. See where this is going? Cam crank ect Let the fun begin
 
Might as well make a cube rule and enforce it with a small carb rule as well(maybe even a 390 carb rule)
 
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racin90 said:
Another deal is gm isnt making repo parts for them anymore. So if one gets rebuilt it will have aftermarket parts in it. See where this is going? Cam crank ect Let the fun begin
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Just talked to Bill Faust who rebuilds crate engines. He says parts are available from GM.
 
Yes they are available but gm isnt producing them anymore. Meaning when the supply is out then what will happen? I dont get it as they are still selling new motors yet they are not producing replacement parts. I called 2 gm dealers and its all over other engine forums as well.
 
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