What do u think about hoosier racing tires on pro 4's

Cyclone Racing 19 said:
thats why some tracks have such high tire pressure rules for this class
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This tire pressure rule is causing more damage to the cars suspension than it needs too. A rock hard tire on a bumpy dirt track is killing struts and stock parts. The rule should be changed to a 30 lbs. minimum. This is what most tracks are running and they are not rolling the bead off of the tires. This also gives a huge advantage to FWD cars.

Intake, you have told me in the past that if I wanted to pay the money to run Hoosier DOT tires I could. This last time Wacky gave me the go ahead, (i know he is not the tech guy, but who is really teching them anyway). Hoosier puts the competion label on all their tires. It is a DOT tire, and is a "passenger car" tire (per the rule book). Look up the serial number. It says not recommended for highway use because of wear patterns and sidewall strength.

But, It is okay to run the re-burnt computers, over sized throttle bodies and adjustable struts, but you cant put a good set of tires on. I wonder why the car counts are down?

No disrespect intended, your still my buddy.

Shaw, no one believes your BS about a $1500 car. That may be how much you have out of pocket with sponsors helping out.

Cyclone, I believe that Aaron is still using a stencil to paint hoosier on his tires. We both used to do it. Just to mess with people.

JMO
Jason Crump
 
The car counts are down at all tracks. So how is that the fault of AARA? As for my cars.... How much do you think I spend on them? Keep in mined that I have (6) of them race ready.
Seen Aarons tires the other night during tech. They looked stenciled.
 
it's all good man, not trying to accuse you of anything lol. i mean i didnt think i was the first to have noticed that, just saw it there. i couldn't tell in the pics if their racing tires or not, and either way i'm sure someone would've caught it before now if it was "cheating". i just saw your car was the only one with it.
 
CrumpRacing said:
This tire pressure rule is causing more damage to the cars suspension than it needs too. A rock hard tire on a bumpy dirt track is killing struts and stock parts. The rule should be changed to a 30 lbs. minimum. This is what most tracks are running and they are not rolling the bead off of the tires. This also gives a huge advantage to FWD cars.
JMO
Jason Crump
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I agree, the advantage is across the board in my opinion though. Just like driving in snow, fwd cars a superior to rwd. Jon Reando
 
i thought this class was entry level learn about racing and move up but if its a novelty act and we run 50psi all fwd cars crash into each other im not learnin sh*t i always hoped it go more like rwd cars and turn into real race cars so if u move up you have the concept of a good setup for the track and the general idea of racing on dirt i dont think too many fwd wannab's can run a modified or sportsman cuz they have no idea how to drive a rwd car on dirt i understand not everyone wants to move up i totally understand but if u want to ur not learnin nothin just tearin up ur stuff i would like to see some changes in the pro4 class if im the only 1 looks like ill b racin at doe run with hoosiers bead locks weight jacks nerf bars all the mods i want to my RACE CAR
 
Here are a few guys that started in a FWD car that are now in the upper classes and some have done very well: also note that the drivers that were successful in the FWD cars are very successful in the upper classes!

Just a few off the top of my head....
DJ Workmeister- dirt Modified and asphalt Late Model
Robbie Eilers- Sportsman, Modified
Russell Eilers- Sportsman
Ryan Eilers- Sportsman
Chris Fisher- Mod, Late model
Jason Zobrist- Pro Late
Jason Suhre- Pro Late
Jon Ripperda- Sportsman
Josh James- SS
Jeff Buss- SS
Dave Shaw- Pro Late
TJ Eilers- Pro Late, SS
Tracy VonRohr- Sportsman
Nick Kneble- Sportsman
Kory Reigel- SS
Dustin Korte- Late Model, Pro Late, SS
Jeff Nash- SS
Keith Rose- SS
Jared Emig- Sportsman
Tyler Diebert- Pro Late, Sprint, Mod
Conrad Miner- Mod

You learn more than you would think from these cars..
 
There's not alot of tracks left running the class, but if you want to run with all rwd vehicles, look into getting with the ministock class. Doe run races them and i think Malden runs them
 
CrumpRacing said:
This tire pressure rule is causing more damage to the cars suspension than it needs too. A rock hard tire on a bumpy dirt track is killing struts and stock parts. The rule should be changed to a 30 lbs. minimum. This is what most tracks are running and they are not rolling the bead off of the tires. This also gives a huge advantage to FWD cars.

Intake, you have told me in the past that if I wanted to pay the money to run Hoosier DOT tires I could. This last time Wacky gave me the go ahead, (i know he is not the tech guy, but who is really teching them anyway). Hoosier puts the competion label on all their tires. It is a DOT tire, and is a "passenger car" tire (per the rule book). Look up the serial number. It says not recommended for highway use because of wear patterns and sidewall strength.

But, It is okay to run the re-burnt computers, over sized throttle bodies and adjustable struts, but you cant put a good set of tires on. I wonder why the car counts are down?

No disrespect intended, your still my buddy.

Shaw, no one believes your BS about a $1500 car. That may be how much you have out of pocket with sponsors helping out.

Cyclone, I believe that Aaron is still using a stencil to paint hoosier on his tires. We both used to do it. Just to mess with people.

JMO
Jason Crump
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When I said you could run Hoosier tires I did not mean racing tires! I meant street legal Hoosier tires and just because it has a DOT stamp does not make it legal for competition, the fine print on the tire you are talking about says for racing purposes.
 
Shaw18 Racing said:
Here are a few guys that started in a FWD car that are now in the upper classes and some have done very well: also note that the drivers that were successful in the FWD cars are very successful in the upper classes!

Just a few off the top of my head....
DJ Workmeister- dirt Modified and asphalt Late Model
Robbie Eilers- Sportsman, Modified
Russell Eilers- Sportsman
Ryan Eilers- Sportsman
Chris Fisher- Mod, Late model
Jason Zobrist- Pro Late
Jason Suhre- Pro Late
Jon Ripperda- Sportsman
Josh James- SS
Jeff Buss- SS
Dave Shaw- Pro Late
TJ Eilers- Pro Late, SS
Tracy VonRohr- Sportsman
Nick Kneble- Sportsman
Kory Reigel- SS
Dustin Korte- Late Model, Pro Late, SS
Jeff Nash- SS
Keith Rose- SS
Jared Emig- Sportsman
Tyler Diebert- Pro Late, Sprint, Mod
Conrad Miner- Mod

You learn more than you would think from these cars..
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May I add Gary Range to the list?
 
Intake said:
When I said you could run Hoosier tires I did not mean racing tires! I meant street legal Hoosier tires and just because it has a DOT stamp does not make it legal for competition, the fine print on the tire you are talking about says for racing purposes.
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I've looked at these tires recently, and that's not entirely true. They are DOT approved, they do not say "for racing purposes", however they do say "not recommended for street use". It really leaves alot of room to argue both sides.
 
I personally don't see the big deal with the racing tires. Tom R ran them on the old Celica Crump was refering too and all it did was even the field for him with the FWD guys. As far as cost goes, to get a GOOD, NEW, WIDE 14" or 15" street tire is around $100 if you buy it new, cost of a Hoosier tire is not much more and like it was stated earlier, people in upper classes toss out used Hoosiers every weekend, some with only one or two nights on them. I also think that having good traction is a safety advantage, not to mention there would be less cautions from cars spinning out, especially the RWD cars. Less cautions, makes for better racing. Maybe with less cautions we could run a longer feature too, since it would take less time, if we had less cautions.

I also think that if they don't want people to run Hoosier tires, they should at least let us run the tires at 30 or 32 PSI, like most CAR MANUFACTURES RECOMEND. I may be wrong, but I bet the engineers and designers that built these car have a pretty good idea of what tire pressure the car's suspension is designed for. I know I didn't break one part on my car the entire season, till I was forced to up my pressure to 44 PSI and part my frame ripped out in the second lap of my heat race !!! JMO
 
Some people kill me! Please allow this, please allow that... Wa wa wa! This is a stock affordable class that one of the main UMP rules is "street tires" and it should stay that way!! If you want more then there needs to be a separate modified 4-cyl class or move up people!
 
Shaw18 Racing said:
Some people kill me! Please allow this, please allow that... Wa wa wa! This is a stock affordable class that one of the main UMP rules is "street tires" and it should stay that way!! If you want more then there needs to be a separate modified 4-cyl class or move up people!
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so you like running ROCK HARD TIRES? whatever floats your boat.
 
We're racing street cars that handle horribly bad on street tires that aren't meant for dirt. That is what this class is ALL about. Have you forgotten that? By the way; I love this class and everything about it!
 
Street tires ok, wacky minimum air pressure that is all over the spectrum thats my only issue with tires. Set a minimum pressure across the board. 30, 35 psi after the race on all tires.
 
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