what size engine

383 is a good motor as well,it does pull more torque from the stroke,but the 355 can usually pull better comin off,and revs out a little better than the 383..we have a 383 right now in my brothers late model and it does well..i just dont like stroking very much.i like short stroke engines...on a big sweeping track the long stroke is good but you very often hit a track like that or we dont atleast...my point to the 355's is that they are about the best all around combo in my book.they make awesome horsepower,good manageable torque,rev out great,and are very reliable...all engines are good in one aspect or another,but they all have there downfall.only downfall to a 355 is the little displacement,but it makes up for that in other areas..
 
Groove Grabber said:
so early in the night you turn it around 6500-7000, right where the motor produces torque, then when it gets slick 7500-8000 so that your over your torque range and its driveable.
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you know i am stupid when it comes to racing stuff, but i do have one question for this dude. if cam is rated for 7200, are you trying to tell this guy to run it up to 8000? it does nothing for the speed, nor power of the engine once it is out of its range, but make a loud sound going down the straight way. i am not going to give out names here, but several people that i know, and run in the top 10 in the nation is running, a what is it called oh yeah that is right a 355, with matched rear ends to there cam. and if you like horse power "bigger motor better run" can i ask you this last question then, the dude that won at eldora a few weeks back was running with six rabbits in his car and smoked the rest of the 355 377 383 406 engines.

my thoughts on what to run is a 355 with a 7200-7500 rpm range cam at highland i ran a 583 rear end and turned about 7800 rpm but my car did not hook up at highland (we did not figure it out till i left highland and went to granite) 355 is a very stable engine that you will not have to worry about (if proper maint. is done) if you get the motor to the ground like you are supposed to, you will not need nothing else. if we could run bigger tires yes run a bigger motor.

and as to the guy i quoted if you are turning that much on the engine yes you will not hurt the pistons or the eye beams but what you will need to watch is the push rods. also you might want to check on your car too and see if you are not smoking the tires when the track gets slick. i could be wrong on this but it sounds like you are losing traction (to big a motor)

jmlo
jason
 
one last thing too if you are going to run the gigger tracks (1/2 mile or bigger) then yes bigger engine will work couse you have a bigger straightway that you can use the engine on.
 
Like i said...355's will run with them..go ask Mark Luek. He had awesome power..those 406's didnt have anything for him at all...plus he got 2 seasons out of the engine at 1/3 the cost. Wanna do a 406 dance..go buy a dart block(expensive)..splayed caps(expensive)..machine work out the yingyang(real expensive) then hope and pray she doesnt grenade. For those that run them...thats cool..but ive just seen too many 8to9000 dollar motors go poof.
 
Dont give me that dyno S$#t!!! I dont want no more of this amateur talk!! Your 355 wont outrun a equally built 377 anyday!!, and as for more traction, I bet I can hook my 420 up better than you 355. It's all in the foot boys!!! I would rather have it when I needed it because it aint always gonna be black slick, Read this carefully, IF YOU DONT QUALIFY WELL, EARLY IN THE NIGHT WHEN ITS WET, YOUR NIGHT IS DONE, YOUR 355 ISNT GONNA DO NUTHIN FOR YOU, GET POWER FOR WHEN YOU NEED IT, THEN USE THAT UGLY LITTLE THING WITH TOES ON IT DOWN THERE, MAKE IT WORK WITH YOUR BRAIN, AND GET ALL THE TRACTION YOU CAN HANDLE. Oh, by the way, thats why they make different duration cams so you can have the power on top , but not produce anymore than a 350 on bottom, use it!!!

Keep them comin but your fightin a losin battle!
 
BB&L Racing said:
you know i am stupid when it comes to racing stuff, but i do have one question for this dude. if cam is rated for 7200, are you trying to tell this guy to run it up to 8000? it does nothing for the speed, nor power of the engine once it is out of its range, but make a loud sound going down the straight way. i am not going to give out names here, but several people that i know, and run in the top 10 in the nation is running, a what is it called oh yeah that is right a 355, with matched rear ends to there cam. and if you like horse power "bigger motor better run" can i ask you this last question then, the dude that won at eldora a few weeks back was running with six rabbits in his car and smoked the rest of the 355 377 383 406 engines.

my thoughts on what to run is a 355 with a 7200-7500 rpm range cam at highland i ran a 583 rear end and turned about 7800 rpm but my car did not hook up at highland (we did not figure it out till i left highland and went to granite) 355 is a very stable engine that you will not have to worry about (if proper maint. is done) if you get the motor to the ground like you are supposed to, you will not need nothing else. if we could run bigger tires yes run a bigger motor.

and as to the guy i quoted if you are turning that much on the engine yes you will not hurt the pistons or the eye beams but what you will need to watch is the push rods. also you might want to check on your car too and see if you are not smoking the tires when the track gets slick. i could be wrong on this but it sounds like you are losing traction (to big a motor)

jmlo
jason
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You said it in the first sentence, not me!!

First, the sixer didnt win, not even close, even though that is a momentum track anyway and about the pushrods, Get a rev kit, or 18* stuff
 
well i hate to tell ya but i can gaurantee our 18* 355 has just as much power on a dyno then your 420 or 377.....you may out torque it but that is it....and ill run your 420 all day long done it many times and id love to make ya look stupid..as far as amature talk sorry dude,you got it all mixed up..look at the poeple that replied to this thread and agreed with me,they are all veterans in my book...dean as well as the rest of these guys know there stuff.....as far as the dyno,lets go set them on there and ill prove you wrong.i bet on alky my 355 will pull with your 420 on horsepower!!!!!!out torque would be the only thing you can do..horsepower will get ya down the straitaway,torque will get ya out of the corner if you can hook it up....setup will get you through the corner...
 
and on the sixer i know of two of them that will run with anything around..brian franze in kansas got banned from a few tracks cause he spanked them with his sixer,and roger mosier runs one and does well,doesnt win but blows away alot of big 377,406 and 355...
 
Its your story, you can tell it the way you want to. What class and where do you run, I'd like to show you what using your foot means. I dont doubt that your motor is strong, but if they were built out of the same stuff, there would be no comparison.
 
callaway,ill be running my mod this season and runnin my brothers latemodel on occasion..also be at montgomery a few times as well as a few other tracks,belleville being one.....your not gonna show me anything about a foot,you might get showed a thing or two sorry..i come from a line of full bred drivers that have showed me alot more then you can,not saying your not a good driver,just giving credit where it is due..also it doesnt matter if two engines are built just alike and with the exact same parts,anyone knows that they are still gonna be two totally different engines,to identical 377 will run different from one another as well as 2 355....this is a 355 my dad built to experiment with,it is a different bore and stroke setup and trust me it is wicked.i will only run it a few times due to him having it in the late model for testing,but i can say with confidence it will hang with most anything..its for sale also...have a good one
 
One of my 420's with 23 degree steel ron's iron eagles should make 680+ horse. Same top end on a 383 made 658. So I'll take that bet. I'll even bet you with the lesser one, that has steel pro actions. Dean ran a 434 in his Late Model. At kentucky lake this weekend the guys with the big cubes would hit the cushion and ROAR, drive right through it, the guys with small cubes like lets say Donnie Moran didn't have the torque to power it around, even with 800-900 horse. PS what do you got going on this weekend? I'd like to come out.
 
Look here twinkle toes, I'll bet money that I outrun you. your in luck, I just bought a new Bob Pierce Mod, after coming from late models, with numerous feature wins. I'll again be in a mod. I'll be eager to find you. You want to talk about Genes, My Dad raced Sprint Cars for 22 years, never owned his own car but won Florida Winternationals 2 times, Tri State Speedway 4 time track Champion, Won every 100 lapper ever run at Haubstabt, Won USAC shows at Lawrenceburg, Kokomo,DuQuoin, Paragon, Eldora,and numerous others, Over 300 feature wins
Led everylap he ran in the Little 500 at Anderson Ind one year, Spent 15+ years as the TOP DOG in this Area, One of the Original World Of Outlaws, Drove For Karl Kinser for years, Diz Wilson for years, Has picture on display at the Sprint Car Hall of Fame in Knoxville, Iowa. It was Steve Kinser that Said " Cliff Cockrum is where I learned to drive a sprint car, Refering to when they were teamates while my Dad drove for Steves uncle. Al Unser Jr. once said while driving for Diz Wilson as a teamate to my Dad," Day to Day, The only Car I cant outrun seems to be Cliff". Oh yea, you know who Frankie Martin is, he's my Cousin too. So dont get started on Bred Drivers!
 
This seem's pretty childish for grown men to high jack Ben's post and turn it into a "Ive got better motor than yours it sounds better,its faster, I turn more RPM than your lil ole 355 you'll be eatin my dirt when my 900 horse motor blows by your 200 horse junkyard motor lalalala" grow up get a life...end of story....
 
Yea, but dont you get tired of seeing the same old thing. Just thought we could spice it up abit, without getting violent of course. Now the poor ben doesnt know what to think. Seriously though, do what you want, I guess it all depends on the financial situation. I personally like having it for when I need it, but whatever it may be ben, pay attention to detail, check all clearances, longevity is all about doing the little things right. If you have a question ask.
 
well groove i could give ya some of the same backround but you may get a hard on...my dad as well ran a sprint car but not as long and didnt have as much sucess as in the lates.he did however run with all the big shoes and even drove for my grampa who was as well a many feature win driver.all i will say is look up potter in all mid states and the ndra circuit...over 300 feature wins and ran with the likes of all the big boys..i also have a uncle that runs devils bowl and has numerous championships and wins as well as an uncle here in missouri that builds and runs his own cars with much sucess...(steve potter)..i will be around,be lookin for ya wherever i am at,always up for a challenge and you in the bob peirce,and me in a dirt works that is another debate...lol...corey buddy i would have to take you up as well on that bet,with the 355 im talkin about,it is a horse and runs well.....it would make more hp on alky and a few adjustments but on gas it is cut down a bit...see the problem with what you are sayin corey applies to late models,with that wide of a tire of course an 18* 355 will be a little less prone to be able to pedal it on around,but in a mod with 8'' tire a 18* 355 has just as much as any big motor...ill be around friday,saturday i will be in and out..give me a call show ya around and all the new stuff for next year!!!by the way got a clutch you wanna get rid of???
 
also i gotta say corey that if dean had the money to foot his program like dixon and the rest of them he would have alot more sucess then he does..he runs with them every weekend and still holds his own on a limited budget..i would really like to see him get a solid motor program together and he would show alot of these late model guys how it is done....
 
I don't really have too much technical input regarding what would work best as far as cubic inch goes. It is different for each individual driver. Some drivers are smooth as silk and work the gas with finesse. They just make it look easy. Nice smooth rolls into the corners and hooked up tight in the straights. In which case, most can do really well with small cubes. Other drivers are as rough and tumble as they come. They ram and jam all the way around the track. They buck and jump through the turns and drag race down the straights. They have to have the big cubes to win the race down the straight to make up their crappy corners. It's just a matter of driving style. That's my take on it. I know one guy inparticular that finished up 4 points out of first place this year in A-Mods with a 358. He has a 420 too but after he got it in the car they felt that the 358 was a much better plant than the 420 and switched it back. He consistently runs the balls off everything he drives but he is a smooth driver. I think it has a lot to do with driving style.

Also, I have seen Racer94 and crew run before. They are a quick bunch. Better bring your A-game.
 
dab- I have seen Racer94 and crew run before. They are a quick bunch. Better bring your A-game.


you made alot of good points DAB,and all were very well true..different driving techniques will aquant a different engine..i am just not a big cubes guy,i like my little engines that could,and i like to make them look good...i cant tell you how i drive cause it is just something i do,all i can say is im patient,and caan work the wah wah pedal...most guys think that goin out and standin on it is gonna get them to the front.you gotta feel the track and work accordingly..thanks for the compliment dab,see ya this upcoming 2005 season,if your in the pit stop by and say hi..
 
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