RULES????????

Oh now we can't have an opinion or comment unless we race that class at that track? Lmfao!!! I thought this is America. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and you are entitled to disagree with it or ignore it!

Overall racers have a good handle on how to make the sport better. I suggest that you at least consider all suggestions to get this sport back where it once was. Just my humble opinion!
 
kreke13 said:
Oh now we can't have an opinion or comment unless we race that class at that track? Lmfao!!! I thought this is America. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and you are entitled to disagree with it or ignore it!

Overall racers have a good handle on how to make the sport better. I suggest that you at least consider all suggestions to get this sport back where it once was. Just my humble opinion!
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I'll be looking for you Saturday so you can get your point across where it really matters, at the rules meeting...
 
I've read through all this and it has been an interesting read. Here's what I see as an observer and former racer in the SS class for a few years and just a fan of the sport in general.

With the SS class you guys are trying to put a genie back in the bottle. The street tire suggestions are great in theory, but street tires at TCS was on the old 1/4 mile track with a lot less banking. You can still run street tires on bullring tracks. But that's not the TCS of today. I agree with what the tech dude said, how many times do you have to see a sidewall blow up and a car flipping over and over destroying itself before you say it's time to put these cars on dirt racing tires made for this? Remember every time a car gets demolished, that is one less person who may even come back to racing that class at all. They may just say it was fun, but if I have to do a new car, gimme a B Mod.

Speaking of B Mods. I know if I had the choice of spending money to build an SS or a car that could be transitioned into another higher class, I'd choose the car that could be used in more than one class. So you can see the attraction of B Mods to SS guys. The SS is a build it and sell it when you're done and start over proposition. A B Mod is "ok, maybe be a back marker at first but keep developing and eventually you might even work your way into A mods" proposition. And with the decline in SS car count in general, you gotta think they are an endangered species and if you build one, you might not even have much of a market to resell to here shortly.

Speaking of the bigger track, people want more HP and better handling cars when the track gets faster and bigger. I reckon it's a blast running them little electric Karts around Pole Position raceway on that indoor track that's pretty tight with a few spots to get up to speed. I know I have fun and feel like it's pretty zippy around there. But if you double that track size, which means double the straightaway lengths, twice the corners, etc, you'd feel like you were putzing around in a Ford Festiva at Daytona in one. You would immediately want a higher performance machine. Which is kinda what happened at TCS when it got reconfigured.

And to some of the loudest mouths on here, you might want to tone it down. You really aren't telling the promoter of TCS anything new he hasn't heard a hundred times in his racing career, and if he starts going deaf listening to you guys blasting in his ear, he could just as well say enough is enough, let's just start a new class that you have no idea what it is and don't want to race in that could be more profitable than the dozen or so SS cars showing up now. I know if I was him I would be weighing up the numbers and asking if the class had turned into more trouble than its worth.

You guys want big time NASCAR tech on the local RC club's yearly budget. I think I would be looking at just letting you guys ridicule and criticize and run the class into the ground before I would be putting more effort into keeping it alive when it may have already run its course. If you really want to keep it going, start talking amongst yourselves and agree to restrict some things yourself and make it fair with each other. Maybe say we will all run a stock carb, or maybe say we all agree to run these cheaper shocks, or we all agree to run the same gear, or we all agree to run the same intake, etc. Just because the rules allow things doesn't mean you all have to go buy it and bolt it on. YOU GUYS could restrict the rules voluntarily and keep that class alive. If the majority of the regulars went to Kevin and said we want this and that restricted and here are all of us agreeing to it in the interest of keeping the class alive, Kevin would see that you guys want to keep your own costs in check.

So its kind of up to you to get together and pressure the ones outspending you to tone it down and see if you can work together to keep that class alive. Either that or you are all going to lose your place in the rotation on Friday nights when your car count keeps dropping. Something for ALL the SS guys at TCS to ponder. You can either come to an agreement yourselves to restrict the spending in your class and help each other, or run yourselves off collectively. I think its up to you.
 
jdearing said:
I'll be looking for you Saturday so you can get your point across where it really matters, at the rules meeting...
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Real nice comeback Jimmy. My point still stands. Input from racers should always at least be considered. Maybe it makes sense to just have you and Kevin make the rules and cancel the meeting. Glad you are open to other peoples opinions! NOT
 
Hmmm guess if we dont play baseball we cant talk about the Cardinals. Nascar either. Damn what will i do with all my opinions now. Guess i can shovem up my arse! Lol
 
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t.nie said:
I've read through all this and it has been an interesting read. Here's what I see as an observer and former racer in the SS class for a few years and just a fan of the sport in general.

With the SS class you guys are trying to put a genie back in the bottle. The street tire suggestions are great in theory, but street tires at TCS was on the old 1/4 mile track with a lot less banking. You can still run street tires on bullring tracks. But that's not the TCS of today. I agree with what the tech dude said, how many times do you have to see a sidewall blow up and a car flipping over and over destroying itself before you say it's time to put these cars on dirt racing tires made for this? Remember every time a car gets demolished, that is one less person who may even come back to racing that class at all. They may just say it was fun, but if I have to do a new car, gimme a B Mod.

Speaking of B Mods. I know if I had the choice of spending money to build an SS or a car that could be transitioned into another higher class, I'd choose the car that could be used in more than one class. So you can see the attraction of B Mods to SS guys. The SS is a build it and sell it when you're done and start over proposition. A B Mod is "ok, maybe be a back marker at first but keep developing and eventually you might even work your way into A mods" proposition. And with the decline in SS car count in general, you gotta think they are an endangered species and if you build one, you might not even have much of a market to resell to here shortly.

Speaking of the bigger track, people want more HP and better handling cars when the track gets faster and bigger. I reckon it's a blast running them little electric Karts around Pole Position raceway on that indoor track that's pretty tight with a few spots to get up to speed. I know I have fun and feel like it's pretty zippy around there. But if you double that track size, which means double the straightaway lengths, twice the corners, etc, you'd feel like you were putzing around in a Ford Festiva at Daytona in one. You would immediately want a higher performance machine. Which is kinda what happened at TCS when it got reconfigured.

And to some of the loudest mouths on here, you might want to tone it down. You really aren't telling the promoter of TCS anything new he hasn't heard a hundred times in his racing career, and if he starts going deaf listening to you guys blasting in his ear, he could just as well say enough is enough, let's just start a new class that you have no idea what it is and don't want to race in that could be more profitable than the dozen or so SS cars showing up now. I know if I was him I would be weighing up the numbers and asking if the class had turned into more trouble than its worth.

You guys want big time NASCAR tech on the local RC club's yearly budget. I think I would be looking at just letting you guys ridicule and criticize and run the class into the ground before I would be putting more effort into keeping it alive when it may have already run its course. If you really want to keep it going, start talking amongst yourselves and agree to restrict some things yourself and make it fair with each other. Maybe say we will all run a stock carb, or maybe say we all agree to run these cheaper shocks, or we all agree to run the same gear, or we all agree to run the same intake, etc. Just because the rules allow things doesn't mean you all have to go buy it and bolt it on. YOU GUYS could restrict the rules voluntarily and keep that class alive. If the majority of the regulars went to Kevin and said we want this and that restricted and here are all of us agreeing to it in the interest of keeping the class alive, Kevin would see that you guys want to keep your own costs in check.

So its kind of up to you to get together and pressure the ones outspending you to tone it down and see if you can work together to keep that class alive. Either that or you are all going to lose your place in the rotation on Friday nights when your car count keeps dropping. Something for ALL the SS guys at TCS to ponder. You can either come to an agreement yourselves to restrict the spending in your class and help each other, or run yourselves off collectively. I think its up to you.
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Great post!
 
I'm really going to stick my neck out here. The hours Kevin's put's in calling other promoter's to try and get the rules uniformed is unreal.
I've never seen anybody stick up for the Driver's more than Kevin we tease him all the time with a quote "That's the driver coming out in you not the Promoter. He knows the rules he understands them and is the first one to try and keep the cost down or find a way to make a more even playing field. He puts together the rules meeting for Driver's to attend to get there input and do a majority vote. He's spent the last 12 years not opening up the rules for the SS and stuck by it when it's affected our car count because he doesn't open the rules up but he's loyal.

This is a Promoter who really cares about the driver's, equipment and costs and goes above and beyond to look out for the racer. He puts together a schedule with special's for all classes (even when the car count has declined, but he's not giving up).
He continues to talk to Promoter's to put events together to keep the racing in our area great for the driver's and the fan's.
I've never seen anybody more for the driver's and will do anything to help anybody anytime. The promoter's in our area have talked several times over the winter trying to work together better and make it beneficial for driver's and fan's with scheduling and rules. We don't need all the negativity about the rules we need driver's to attend the rules meeting and discuss things that are good for the whole class not just 1 or 2 driver's and what needs to be done to help keep the cost down if anyway possible.

We have incredible tracks sitting in our backyard and can put some great events on together that's good for everybody, but driver's and promoter's have to start working together and realize what's they have right here with our 5 tracks.

Thanks
Tammy
 
Revin said:
I'm really going to stick my neck out here. The hours Kevin's put's in calling other promoter's to try and get the rules uniformed is unreal.
I've never seen anybody stick up for the Driver's more than Kevin we tease him all the time with a quote "That's the driver coming out in you not the Promoter. He knows the rules he understands them and is the first one to try and keep the cost down or find a way to make a more even playing field. He puts together the rules meeting for Driver's to attend to get there input and do a majority vote. He's spent the last 12 years not opening up the rules for the SS and stuck by it when it's affected our car count because he doesn't open the rules up but he's loyal.

This is a Promoter who really cares about the driver's, equipment and costs and goes above and beyond to look out for the racer. He puts together a schedule with special's for all classes (even when the car count has declined, but he's not giving up).
He continues to talk to Promoter's to put events together to keep the racing in our area great for the driver's and the fan's.
I've never seen anybody more for the driver's and will do anything to help anybody anytime. The promoter's in our area have talked several times over the winter trying to work together better and make it beneficial for driver's and fan's with scheduling and rules. We don't need all the negativity about the rules we need driver's to attend the rules meeting and discuss things that are good for the whole class not just 1 or 2 driver's and what needs to be done to help keep the cost down if anyway possible.

We have incredible tracks sitting in our backyard and can put some great events on together that's good for everybody, but driver's and promoter's have to start working together and realize what's they have right here with our 5 tracks.

Thanks
Tammy
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great post tammy! kevin and you do a great job to make the playing field level!
 
kreke13 said:
Real nice comeback Jimmy. My point still stands. Input from racers should always at least be considered. Maybe it makes sense to just have you and Kevin make the rules and cancel the meeting. Glad you are open to other peoples opinions! NOT
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LOL.. I can give 2 shits what the rules are. I was simply stating a fact that none of those on here complaining were the ones who race at the track.
 
t.nie said:
I've read through all this and it has been an interesting read. Here's what I see as an observer and former racer in the SS class for a few years and just a fan of the sport in general.

With the SS class you guys are trying to put a genie back in the bottle. The street tire suggestions are great in theory, but street tires at TCS was on the old 1/4 mile track with a lot less banking. You can still run street tires on bullring tracks. But that's not the TCS of today. I agree with what the tech dude said, how many times do you have to see a sidewall blow up and a car flipping over and over destroying itself before you say it's time to put these cars on dirt racing tires made for this? Remember every time a car gets demolished, that is one less person who may even come back to racing that class at all. They may just say it was fun, but if I have to do a new car, gimme a B Mod.

Speaking of B Mods. I know if I had the choice of spending money to build an SS or a car that could be transitioned into another higher class, I'd choose the car that could be used in more than one class. So you can see the attraction of B Mods to SS guys. The SS is a build it and sell it when you're done and start over proposition. A B Mod is "ok, maybe be a back marker at first but keep developing and eventually you might even work your way into A mods" proposition. And with the decline in SS car count in general, you gotta think they are an endangered species and if you build one, you might not even have much of a market to resell to here shortly.

Speaking of the bigger track, people want more HP and better handling cars when the track gets faster and bigger. I reckon it's a blast running them little electric Karts around Pole Position raceway on that indoor track that's pretty tight with a few spots to get up to speed. I know I have fun and feel like it's pretty zippy around there. But if you double that track size, which means double the straightaway lengths, twice the corners, etc, you'd feel like you were putzing around in a Ford Festiva at Daytona in one. You would immediately want a higher performance machine. Which is kinda what happened at TCS when it got reconfigured.

And to some of the loudest mouths on here, you might want to tone it down. You really aren't telling the promoter of TCS anything new he hasn't heard a hundred times in his racing career, and if he starts going deaf listening to you guys blasting in his ear, he could just as well say enough is enough, let's just start a new class that you have no idea what it is and don't want to race in that could be more profitable than the dozen or so SS cars showing up now. I know if I was him I would be weighing up the numbers and asking if the class had turned into more trouble than its worth.

You guys want big time NASCAR tech on the local RC club's yearly budget. I think I would be looking at just letting you guys ridicule and criticize and run the class into the ground before I would be putting more effort into keeping it alive when it may have already run its course. If you really want to keep it going, start talking amongst yourselves and agree to restrict some things yourself and make it fair with each other. Maybe say we will all run a stock carb, or maybe say we all agree to run these cheaper shocks, or we all agree to run the same gear, or we all agree to run the same intake, etc. Just because the rules allow things doesn't mean you all have to go buy it and bolt it on. YOU GUYS could restrict the rules voluntarily and keep that class alive. If the majority of the regulars went to Kevin and said we want this and that restricted and here are all of us agreeing to it in the interest of keeping the class alive, Kevin would see that you guys want to keep your own costs in check.

So its kind of up to you to get together and pressure the ones outspending you to tone it down and see if you can work together to keep that class alive. Either that or you are all going to lose your place in the rotation on Friday nights when your car count keeps dropping. Something for ALL the SS guys at TCS to ponder. You can either come to an agreement yourselves to restrict the spending in your class and help each other, or run yourselves off collectively. I think its up to you.
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Isn't that kind of what I said earlier in this thread?
 
faustfan2 said:
.talk to the promoter and tech guy and tell them your concerns! Not sure how hard people think it is to just talk to someone!
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I agree with this 110%. I stated this on fb last night too. I believe the reason ppl go to social media is because theyre sick of not being heard or feeling like their words fall on deaf ears. Maybe not at Tri City but at other area tracks. Drivers DO need to direct their complaints to the right people, but those ppl need to listen to their customers. ALL OF THEM.
 
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