Siping vs. Needling

bleed_blue16

Nick Gieseking
Siping a tire is time consuming, inconsistent, and hand breaking sometimes. We needle your tires for you so you don't have to sipe. Needling a tire will produce a more consistent result everytime. It will also achieve temp quicker, and once to that temp it will help dissipate that heat better than siping. What are your opinions?

We are calling the addition to our company "Crown Cuts". We have a full Stock Car tire lathe and needler. We will be cutting and needling tires, feel free to give me a call for more details.
 
Siping a tire is time consuming, inconsistent, and hand breaking sometimes. We needle your tires for you so you don't have to sipe. Needling a tire will produce a more consistent result everytime. It will also achieve temp quicker, and once to that temp it will help dissipate that heat better than siping. What are your opinions?

We are calling the addition to our company "Crown Cuts". We have a full Stock Car tire lathe and needler. We will be cutting and needling tires, feel free to give me a call for more details.
here we are trying to get rid of the cheaters for tire prep and your on here promoting it. what a crock of s--t. maybe the EPA will come down on you
 

Tweaked

Member
Actually you can cut your tires however you want to there's nothing I'm aware of that says different you can groove and sipe until your blue in the face but you can't soak them..........well you can if you don't get caught lol and the EPA what do those liberals have to do with cutting tires?
 

Phoenix 2

New Member
EPA, Liberal, The E.P.A. was pushed for and enacted into law by President Richard Nixon, hardly a Liberal.

Is it any wonder why the republicans score so high with the nascar crowd
 

glbert

Member
Actually you can cut your tires however you want to there's nothing I'm aware of that says different you can groove and sipe until your blue in the face but you can't soak them..........well you can if you don't get caught lol and the EPA what do those liberals have to do with cutting tires?
I have been out of the racing loop for quite a few years as far as being a member of a pit crew but I do remember a UMP rule that said you cannot groove a tire outside of the tread pattern. I do remember a driver getting DQ'd at Highland after time trials for this rule violation. That's just what I remember.
 

racin90

Well-Known Member
Siping a tire is time consuming, inconsistent, and hand breaking sometimes. We needle your tires for you so you don't have to sipe. Needling a tire will produce a more consistent result everytime. It will also achieve temp quicker, and once to that temp it will help dissipate that heat better than siping. What are your opinions?

We are calling the addition to our company "Crown Cuts". We have a full Stock Car tire lathe and needler. We will be cutting and needling tires, feel free to give me a call for more details.
If i were you personally..id watch the way you conduct yourself on open forums. Fastrack is now not only going after guys who doctor their tires but the people they get their stuff from. And EPA will be involved. Fines and pulling business licenses will cut the crap out of doctoring tires. If i were you......id lay low and be happy the business you get. But remember..........every sale you make could come back to haunt you 100 fold. Our goverment needs money. This will be a money maker. Trust me....i get how it all works. The Feds are stepping in on DOT now and guess what???Not only will companies be getting fines for overloads...........violations..ect but driver's will also be held accountable for such actions as well. Its only going to get worse. Best thing to do nowadays is run a business honest and one that doesnt cheat. Your business is a cheat business. Plain and simple and no buts about it. You doctor tires. That is cheating. I really dont get how you can come on open forums and advertise your products to help others cheat. Problem is you have your business name and number on here and dont think for a sec others will be contacting you and trying to set you up with recordings and transactions that will be monitored. EPA doesnt mess around.
 

CG4518

cg4518
If i were you personally..id watch the way you conduct yourself on open forums. Fastrack is now not only going after guys who doctor their tires but the people they get their stuff from. And EPA will be involved. Fines and pulling business licenses will cut the crap out of doctoring tires. If i were you......id lay low and be happy the business you get. But remember..........every sale you make could come back to haunt you 100 fold. Our goverment needs money. This will be a money maker. Trust me....i get how it all works. The Feds are stepping in on DOT now and guess what???Not only will companies be getting fines for overloads...........violations..ect but driver's will also be held accountable for such actions as well. Its only going to get worse. Best thing to do nowadays is run a business honest and one that doesnt cheat. Your business is a cheat business. Plain and simple and no buts about it. You doctor tires. That is cheating. I really dont get how you can come on open forums and advertise your products to help others cheat. Problem is you have your business name and number on here and dont think for a sec others will be contacting you and trying to set you up with recordings and transactions that will be monitored. EPA doesnt mess around.
I agree with this post and can't understand for the life of me why the "powers to be" of this website let these cheaters along with the traction control dip****s advertise their crap on here?? Wtf
 

airchicken

New Member
If i were you personally..id watch the way you conduct yourself on open forums. Fastrack is now not only going after guys who doctor their tires but the people they get their stuff from. And EPA will be involved. Fines and pulling business licenses will cut the crap out of doctoring tires. If i were you......id lay low and be happy the business you get. But remember..........every sale you make could come back to haunt you 100 fold. Our goverment needs money. This will be a money maker. Trust me....i get how it all works. The Feds are stepping in on DOT now and guess what???Not only will companies be getting fines for overloads...........violations..ect but driver's will also be held accountable for such actions as well. Its only going to get worse. Best thing to do nowadays is run a business honest and one that doesnt cheat. Your business is a cheat business. Plain and simple and no buts about it. You doctor tires. That is cheating. I really dont get how you can come on open forums and advertise your products to help others cheat. Problem is you have your business name and number on here and dont think for a sec others will be contacting you and trying to set you up with recordings and transactions that will be monitored. EPA doesnt mess around.
HaHaHa.... The government could care less and your totally dreaming this up! It’s not illegal just against the rules in some series. There are plenty of series on dirt and asphalt that allow soaking with a durometer rule. BTW isn't this about needling anyway ?
 

K-Dawg30

Member
He was mainly advertising the needleing.....you guys need to get some reading glasses. His main prep business in the karting world where him and his business partner race....and guess what prep is the name of the game in karting and is 100% legal! Guess where all your "heros" in the late model world get their preps from??? Karting prep gurus! You are all sadly mistaken if you don't think all the top national late model guys are prepping....sorry to crush all your hearts but its the truth! They may be passing lab tests but that doesn't mean they are not prepping....there is undetectable stuff out there.....I wish fastrak luck in trying to police prep.....ask the WKA how it worked out for them:rolleyes:
 

rws262

Member
His post doesn't have the word "prep" anywhere in it. It was purely about needling, so why are you jumping down throats talking all big about the EPA and gov't fines? That has nothing to do with this thread.
 

racin90

Well-Known Member
His post doesn't have the word "prep" anywhere in it. It was purely about needling, so why are you jumping down throats talking all big about the EPA and gov't fines? That has nothing to do with this thread.
Not really jumping the throat persay on this thread.just the business in general. Go read the classifieds....he has alot of ads in there for "undetectable"tire treatments in all sections. If he is just into carts.why is he advertising in sportsman...mods and lates???
 

racin90

Well-Known Member
HaHaHa.... The government could care less and your totally dreaming this up! It’s not illegal just against the rules in some series. There are plenty of series on dirt and asphalt that allow soaking with a durometer rule. BTW isn't this about needling anyway ?
Wanna bet about the goverment??? With all the money issues they have...they are pushing buttons in alot of places we all will wish they werent. Just see and wait. I just came from a meeting with the Illinois EPA. They are going to be jumping on anything they can. Local tire shops..paint shops(watch out painting your cars at home.....guy just got busted in Granite City for that..$10,000 fine for not proper disposal of paints and waste) and anything that transports products on the roads are going to be affected. Let alone as i just said..common folk at home as to what they do there and how they do it. If you got a race car...drag car or even a kart.......you can be affected here. When you change the oil in a race car..where do you put the old bottles?? Better not be in the trash!!!! $1000-$5000 dollar fine per bottle! If not properly drained. Who is going to judge....properly?? They are! Officers throughout the state are on the look out and its all EPA backed. DOT is helping them out as well. Money maker is what its all about. Not making 1 word of this up as I sign up for any classes i can to stay on top of the industry i am in. I was kind of shocked at the meeting with the Feds. Aslo since im a CDL license holder.....im liable for fines and penalties just as my company is and since its hazmat.....its "bonus points". Meaning......double fines. Still dont think the goverment is giving a crap about joe shmoe???
 

racin90

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Now...this was in the late model section. Guessing it was meant for the karts......lol. Just saying..even his needling technique is illegal.....everything this guy advertises here is illegal and against the rules.
 

racin90

Well-Known Member
Another thing since some dont really think the goverment is giving a crap. How many of you got an enclosed trailer with either your name or the name of your racing group on it? Guess what. You will have to have a cdl license to pull that trailer. I dont care if its a half ton truck. Anytime you put names on a trailer for whatever reason..DOT is taking the reigns of that and going all out with it. If you get caught pulling the trailer without a CDL license could be a fine of 1000 and 6 months suspension not to mention your insurance company will get involved then and guess what??Your trailer you dont pay insurance for now.........will now have to carry a minimum policy on it. No joke!!! If i had a name on any trailer i had.....id take them off now. Where i work...its a million dollar policy for the trailers..........DOT has not come up with a number for car trailers..........yet! Bet it wont be cheap........officer i talked to told me at least $50,000
 

LIVELY

New Member
what in the world would the EPA have to do with redoing the tires on a gocart/modified/ late model or any other RACECAR.--THAT PART OF THIS DISCUSSION MEANS NOTHING TO THE EPA.---IF YOU ARE DUMPING CHEMICALS ON THE GROUND[THAT WOULD BE THEIR PART]otherwise the griping is to no avail in my eyes.--their has been and always will be cheaters in all motor sports[that is for a good tech guy to catch] LIVELY
 








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