UMP license??

Cracks me up when people who don't even race are ignorant enough to get on here and tell others they should or shouldn't race if something doesn't fit in their budget. Whistledicks. Haven't you learned by now that there's typically a lot more to things than you can see and maybe you should just keep your un-informed mouth shut sometimes?? Your parents failed in teaching you humility.
 
[quote="Tim Camren, post: 832990, member: 17821"]Havoline28 it's not the money issue[/quote]

Based on what you wrote, It sure sounds like a money issue to me.

Tim Camren said:
are they just going to says thanks for the 25 and have a nice day.
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Tim Camren said:
Now I'm out about 200 dollars and a blown motor.
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Tim Camren said:
Tom it was the extra 25 that was not in the budget. It was 55 for that night if it was 30 just for the pit pass I would have been cool but extra 25 not cool
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Tim Camren said:
Yes we have to race harder to get our money back.
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Tim Camren said:
it would be cheeper to buy a yearly pass
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So what if it is a money issue?? I don't think he's trying to reason with a couple late night keyboard jockeys and a chicken cook. Theres A LOT of teams that stretch to race every week, and a meaningless spending of a hundred bucks should be questioned! And FYI the AMA (American motorcyclist association) only charges 39 $ a year for membership and also provides a supplemental insurance program. And amateur motorcycle racing is a hell of a lot more dangerous than dirt track. UMP IS A JOKE.
 
Hard Lefts said:
So what if it is a money issue?? .
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I wouldn't have brought it up if his statement made sense. He said that money wasn't the issue, yet in every one of his posts (including his hypothetical) money is the subject.

I do not disagree that UMP (in its current state) is a complete waste of money.
 
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A $125 yearly license is a very small drop in the bucket for just about any race team. If that is going to make or break you, maybe you shouldn't be racing. And this is not coming from some "late night keyboard jockey".

The problem that I have with the license is that nothing has changed since they required everyone to have a license. According to their own published membership numbers, UMP should have tripled their income and done nothing else for the racers. The insurance is a joke, there is no more UMP presence at the local tracks unless its a summernationals race, and I highly doubt that the point fund is going to triple.

Tim is mad that he didn't know that a license was going to be required. I wonder where he was racing before this night. If it was at a UMP track, then the problem lies there because they did not require their drivers to buy the membership. And I understand that you're upset that your engine blew up, but what is UMP or the track supposed to do about that?

Obviously there are going to be exceptions, but I have a hard time believing that very many tracks are going to consistently check for licenses because they don't want to turn away cars. They won't even perform tech inspections because they are scared to death to chase away illegal cars. How do you think the honest crate late model drivers feel. UMP forced them to buy a membership this year, then UMP forced them to pay to have their seals put on their motors and, for the most part, neither have been checked.
 
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96, I agree with you. It has gotten so, bad no one hardly ever tech cars anymore. I was wondering would tracks get more cars if the racers knew they were teching cars every week and following the rules to a tee and actually running cars off that do not pass?

UMP needs to step up to the plate and hire their own tech people. They need to make tracks more accountable for those that race at their tracks that do not have a ump license.

Yes the crates are a joke because, there is so much cheating going on in that class and mainly because there is no one teching the cars.
 
It is just as bad in the modified class as you got to one UMP track and they are all A and H tires then you go to the next track and it is whatever you have then go to the next track and it is A or H on rear d's on front I think the promoters are some of the problem here and alot of it lies on UMP for not making them enforce the rules. Now I remember why I hadn't bought a UMP license since 1996. It is not the economy that is dragging racing down it is UMP in my opinion.
 
when I got it they said we get the "insurance" has anyone ever used this? Maybe we just dont have all the facts. Sorry fellas I know i am reaching here.... I mean if my driver did have something happen would the insurance be worth having? Jimmy D chime in here if ya have any info please..
 
I don't really want to hijack the thread, but since havoline28 brought it up, I will make this statement.

I thought that the drivers/owners made it abundantly clear last season that the majority of them welcome tech inspections. We went to a $1000 to win, $100 to start PCRA crate late model race. When you go to a PCRA race, you know that you are going to be teched and your stuff had better be right. 43 cars showed up. The very next week, the track put on their own $1000 to win, $100 to start race. One could only assume that it would be usual track tech. 15 cars showed up. If the promoters didn't notice that, there is nothing that any of us is going to say on here that will change anything.

And in my opinion, a huge problem with the crate class in not so much lack of tech, it is that the rules are flawed to begin with. A class that is advertised as budget-friendly should not be riding around on $4,000 worth of shocks.

Ok, now back to complaining about the licenses.
 
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Here is what everyone can do for next year if you don't want to buy a UMP license. DONT RACE but, be careful because tracks will have to close their doors. Yes you might have a few tracks that say fuk UMP but, you might have to drive 2 hours to get to the track and just what has that saved you. Over the winter save your 100.00 and tell the tracks you will pay the 100.00 once you see a tech guy that knows what he is doing.
 
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I don't really want to hijack the thread, but since havoline28 brought it up, I will make this statement.

I thought that the drivers/owners made it abundantly clear last season that the majority of them welcome tech inspections. We had a $1000 to win, $100 to start PCRA crate late model race. When you go to a PCRA race, you know that you are going to be teched and your stuff better be right. 43 cars showed up. The very next week, the track put on their own $1000 to win, $100 to start race. One could only assume that it would be usual track tech. 15 cars showed up. If the promoters didn't notice that, there is nothing that any of us is going to say on here that will change anything.

And in my opinion, a huge problem with the crate class in not so much lack of tech, it is that the rules are flawed to begin with. A class that is advertised as budget-friendly should not be riding around on $4,000 worth of shocks.

Ok, now back to complaining about the licenses.
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I agree with you on the shock deal. It is ludicrous they allow this to go on in the name of saving money. now back to the license
 
We were told that each track allows a driver to race a couple times with them before buying a license. I guess it might depend on the track though. 3 different promoters told us this along with Sam.
 
I think he means that if your budget is so tight and 125 bucks is going to be the difference between racing and not racing ,then maybe you shouldn't be racing in the first place. That's how I read it, and happen to agree with him.
I said this on the last membership rant thread that went around. I don't mind paying to help an organization who betters the sport. I don't want to be forced to help an organization who does nothing for it except show favoritism.......... Oops I got better insurance. Whip de do.
 
I've got to agree......a hundred bucks is a hundred buck...... if you went to the parts truck and they said give me a hundred bu ks........ you would ask what for?. If it was a UMP parts truck they would say.... so you can buy parts here...... your next question would be do I still have to pay for the parts..... and they're reply would be "yup"...... even though you've been buying parts there for 20 years with no additional cost............... it's ofcourse a money issue.... what the hell are we paying for???
 
I've been racing for a lot of years and have managed to do it without ump's $100 fee...... same track, same promoter, same night of the week..... ump is not directly involved in my racing expirience or my fans or my competitors.... they have no presence at my track at all on a weekly basis...... so what do they need my $100 bucks for if not to just line some pockets or help pay for big fancy stuff in other places that I will never see......and if I do see I'll have to pay to get in.......... and you guys stop telling people they don't need to be racing........ we need every car we can get to the track.......
 
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Gee thanks for clarifying HIS thoughts, and I understand that its YOUR OPINION it doesn't make much sense to race if a hundred bucks is going to break you. But -listen carefully gentleman- THATS NOT THE POINT!!! there's been no return on the investment and also nobody really cares about your opinion and to each their own and nobody is looking for YOUR approval. This country is getting to pussified and everybody's scared to rock the boat. Its horsesh!t that everybody was forced to buy it considering everyone s been racing without it for a long time. Wow bc and pevely needs/has TWO sanctioning bodies!,but I won't start on allied but damn that's a lot of hands in the jar!!! No wonder the racers don't get JACKSH!T outside the top few spots. The racers literally spend thousands and thousands of their OWN MONEY making this sport what it is and don't ever get a break. Kevin I'm surprised your on board with ump, wouldn't see why you need them. Possibly enlighten us on the positives?
 
Maybe the promotors get a insurance break if we all bought the license for insurance reasons? I think 100.00 bucks spent with no value for the money is a heck of alot . Anybody that doesnt should make the check out to Tom Filkins . Its not the amount its that nothing is coming from it. I dont run national points and I sure as heck am not paying to go to the UMP banquet to see somebody else get awards. Also fact that I should or should not be racing is my buisness and nobody elses! I support dirt track racing with cars , auctions, buddies . I build em , sell em part them out and spend alot to keep em going. I bought the license cause PIR was going to require them and since then thier dirt failed so now benton MO is UMP. I dont get a discount for having it ? so I have a $100.00 sticker on the door that I sponsored UMP . wait that is so wrong >>> We should get paid to have the dang sticker displayed shouldnt we?
 
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