Will they survive??

And by the way, Mr Smarty pants, where in the He!! were you?:D :D I looked all over that crowd and never did spot you.
 
Sean, you proved my point exactly!!

During that show we had NO BIG NAMES... NONE... NADA.. ZIP..


Guess what, on the Friday night show where we had all kinds of big names and people in we lost nearly $3,000 that night.. Then on that Sunday show where it was only $3 and two cans of food to get in for the Pure Streets, RAMS, Wannabees/Hornets and the Amateur ATV group we made enough money to erase that LOSS from the previous Friday show... The stands were just as full as they were for the Friday show, if not more, especially when it came to younger kids.

What I was trying to say was you don't make a lot more money by paying it out.. If we hadn't rescheduled that show two other times we really would have had a fantastic day...
 
Yeah, and just think if I had been there.......lol

I am just happy to hear that you had a good crowd, cause I was getting different reports. Thats cool, I mean, do the math, and then tell me the future doesnt look rosy for 4 cylinder racing versus all the big budget stuff. I have less than 500 in my car to go racing, and I have so much fun with it, compared to a Rayburn Chassis that will set ya back multiple thousands without a motor or whatnot. Man, it just dont seem fair that I get to have so much fun for so little dough. And as a friend of mine put it, "Hornets are a throwback to the grass roots racers of yesteryear, when stock cars were really STOCK cars, just throw a cage in, strap in and let her rip." Made me feel like we were bringing the sport back to where it all started, and that was pretty cool. Thanks, DHDF.
 
That's it exact T.Nie

The reason we started the RAMS was to give people a chance to experience racing at various tracks where it didn't cost you an arm and a leg. Anyone who doesn't think four-cylinder racing is quality racing has never been involved with one. We are allowing people to race that had been completely eliminated from most other forms of racing just because of the almighty dollar...
 
Without it, look at all the people who would still be sitting in the stands or not coming at all, and how much less there would be to pay the LM's and Mods. Talk about tracks that would be seriously hurting, just about all of them would be. Take Highland, 23X$20 is a $460.00 minimum loss, without taking into account the extra pit passes and food and fans in the stands. Thats a good contribution the the LM purse right there.

Hey, Millsey, talk to Charlie about getting you guys over during the Madison County Fair races, dunno what he will say, but he could very well go for it.:confused: :confused:
 
I'm on it right now

I'm trying to work with them to get us there right now... I'm just needing some help in promoting us to them to make the final decision...
 
Originally posted by t.nie
And as a friend of mine put it, "Hornets are a throwback to the grass roots racers of yesteryear, when stock cars were really STOCK cars, just throw a cage in, strap in and let her rip." Made me feel like we were bringing the sport back to where it all started, and that was pretty cool. Thanks, DHDF.

Hey t.nie, the little cars are not only a throw back to the past... ya'll may be giving us all a glimpse into the future...What's on the street now, will be what's on the track in 5 to 10 years. Full frame, rear wheel drive cars are gone. Full frame trucks may go away too... Most of the smaller SUVs are not full framed. Small block V8's are not the norm from Detroit...

Uni-body 4 and 6 cylinder cars and trucks will be what is raced in most classes before we know it. Either that or everything will be completely fabricated. That wouldn't help the cost of racin' at all!
 
I agree, cng. And seeing how I am kind of a front wheel drive specialist, meaning I have done more hard driving in FWD cars in the last 15 years than anything else, well. I gotta feel I have a head start on a lot of people. A 6 cylinder class would be pretty cool too, if the rules were written to make the cars safe at the speeds you could hit in one.
 
Just curious, are there any thoughts on this subject now that we've had a whole season to reflect on them?
 
4-cylinder classes growing like crazy

The feedback I'm getting about our RAMS association is fantastic. People want to go racing, but they can't afford the huge costs of most classes. But our RAMS Mini Stocks are fast enough and have enough potential to keep even the toughest race fan satisfied with their performance.

In 2004 it appears as if we are not only going to have a chance to race on a monthly basis at the Montgomery County Speedway, but I was also contacted by a racetrack south of here tonight that is interested in starting a RAMS class. The result of all this is just like the modifieds and the late models, several places to race on a given night. The difference is (no disrespect to any other class) the RAMS Mini Stock class is so much more affordable. I mean right now I know where you can buy complete race-ready vehicles for $1200 to $1500 and be competitive your first night out.

Our class is enticing to promoters because we not only put people in the pits we also put people in the stands. In other words WE MAKE THEM MONEY while at the same time our guys get to race at some quality racetracks in this region. No, you're not going to get rich, but our first place racer this year got a 6-foot tall trophy and a check for $600... That's not bad for a guy who buys all his part at Auto Zone!
 
A couple of weeks ago I went down to L.A.speedway in Lamonte Mo. (Sedalia)
and ran my final race in the midget with the SMRS guys, When I pulled in there where 20 ? winged sprint cars and a bunch of hornet type cars. We pitted next to one of the sprint cars ( a young guy out of Springfield Mo.) I noticed that these sprinters all had open trailers ????
Then here comes some tech guys with a C.I. pump ??? every sprint car was pumped for cubic inches and guess what, these things all had starters, hummmm so I started investigating and talking to the guy next to me about his car, these guys have the answer, they are buying up used sprinters(CHEAP) (and plentifull)
and running flat top piston,stock head,305 c.i. 4 barrel carb sprint cars, and no delay in the show pushin em off, they lock em in gear hit the starter button ( stock starter) and away they go, These guy's where having a blast and put on a very competitive show,
The guy I was pitted next to said they ran for $400 to $500 to win (could be a little better) But the good part was he told me he had less than $5000 in his whole outfit ( and he won his heat and ran 3rd in the feature) He told me they run at L.A. and somewhere around Springfield, and Lebanon was going to run em next year. Sure looked like something the average workin Joe could do, It appeared that these cars where the main attraction at L.A. and the stands where packed !!!!!!
 
I've been reading on those 305 sprints that are running all over the place in southwestern MO and I wish someone would start them around here. There's plenty of old sprint car equipment to get a hold of. I'd love for that to be my next move. I was just talking to Mills about them last Friday. I'd like to see Farmington or Benton give it a try.
 
Yeah Wheel 21, I was pretty impressed with em they just might be the answer,
I know for sure if they ran closer to home
I would have one in the garage for my youngster to run instead of a mini sprint.
 
Here are LA Raceway's rules for that 305 class...

The following specifications have been prepared as guidelines for the construction of a 305 Sprint Car. No warranty of safety is expressed or implied as a result of this publication of rules. These rules are intended as a guide and are in no way a guarantee against injury or death to participants, spectators or others. This division is being developed to create competitive racing on equal ground, for a financial portfolio that supports weekly racing. This requires limits in various areas to keep competition equal and fair for all participants. In order to accomplish this, if it doesn't say you can, "DON'T". With the help and consideration of the participants this can be accomplished. Live within the spirit of the rules. If you have questions, please contact tech officials before you are found illegal for competition. ANY VIOLATION OF THE RULES CAN RESULT IN DISQUALIFICATION, LOSS OF POINTS AND LOSS OF MONEY

TECH
All cars may be inspected at any time upon entering the pits. At the conclusion of the feature race the top 4 cars are subject to inspection at the discretion of the tech officials. Failure to comply with an inspection request will result in disqualification. The tech officials’ decision is final on this issue.

PROTESTS

A car owner may protest another car engine by paying a $200 cash protest fee to the tech officials prior to the start of the A feature. At the conclusion of the A feature the protested car will be teched by the tech officials and if found to be legal the $200 will be given to the protested car owner. If found illegal the protest fee will be returned to the protestor and all points for the season at the time of protest and monies for the night will be forfeited by the illegal car. The illegal car will also be teched prior to entry in the next race. Decision of the tech officials is final and binding.

DRIVER'S SAFETY EQUIPMENT

Driver's Suit:

Driver's fire suit is mandatory and must be multi-layer(minimum SFI rating of 3.2A-1/5) or single layer in conjunction with Nomex underwear, a Nomex hood, Nomex socks, fire proof driving gloves and shoes. Nylon or vinyl shoes are not allowed. Neck collars are required. Driver safety apparel must have the rating tag/label intact. LARaceway Inc reserves the right to reject any driver's suit or fire proof accessories that are deemed unsafe.

Helmets:

Full face helmets with a face shield are mandatory. Helmets must be SNELL SA95 or M95 or newer certification. Helmets must have the rating tag/label intact.

Driver Restraints:

Driver's restraint systems must have a five or six-point configuration with secure attachment to the frame or roll cage. The shoulder belts should be attached to the frame or roll cage at a point below the top of the driver's seat. The shoulder belts cannot be attached to the seat, body work or fuel tank. Driver restraints must, at a minimum, be composed of (a) a minimum of two 3" shoulder belts, (b) a 3" lap belt with a metal to metal quick release mechanism, and (c) a 2" anti-submarine strap. Seat belts can be no more than 2 years old. Driver restraint equipment must have the rating tag/label intact.

Arm Restraint:

Any competition rated arm restraint is required.

Fire Extinguishers:

During any refueling all crews must have an operable fire extinguisher capable of putting out fuel and oil fires.

Windshield Screen:

Use of a rock screen made from a minimum of .090 screen size is highly recommended but not required.

FUEL SHUT-OFF VALVE:

A fuel shut-off valve is required within reach of the driver while sitting in the car with the restraints fastened. The shut-off valve must be marked in a recognizable manner. Vinyl or plastic fuel lines may not be used.

ENGINE RULES

305 Chevrolet blocks only. Casting number must match list shown in Table 1 (below). Casting numbers must be visible and unaltered. Maximum bore is .060 for a maximum bore of 3.796 or 318.00 cubic inches. Any flat top piston is allowed. No titanium valves or rotating parts. No aluminum or titanium connecting rods. Water pumps must be OEM style. No crankshaft mounted or electric pumps allowed. No computer operated or controlled parts, fuel systems, ignition components, etc. No roller cams. No roller hydraulic cam. Cams not to exceed 0.555 lift at valve. Lifters stock diameter 0.842.

Wet sump only. No external oil systems. The oil pan must have an inspection hole of ¾” minimum diameter and ½ inch maximum extension. Location is optional, but the tech officials must be able to view crank throws and rods from this hole.

CARBURETOR

4 barrel 750 cfm Holley, maximum. 1 11/16 inch throttle bore maximum. No work allowed in Venturi to increase air or fuel flow. Venturi must measure 1.410 maximum. No working on throttle plates. No part of carburetor, intake, or air cleaner allowed above the hood. Mechanical fuel pumps only. No tunnel ram intakes. Dial-a-jets may be used. No airflow adjusting devices may be located in the cockpit. NO ELECTRIC FUEL PUMPS.

CRANKSHAFTS

Must be stock appearing with 3.48 stroke. No undercut counterweights. No knife edging.

HEADS

Any General Motors 305 head listed in Table 2 (below) may be used. No VOR-TEC. No center bolt. No unshrouding valves. No porting or polishing. No angle milling. No titanium valves. No shaft rockers. No port matching on heads or intake. Maximum valve sized 1.94 intake 1.50 exhaust. Casting numbers must be plainly visible and unaltered.

FLYWHEEL AND STARTER REQUIRED

Each car must have a flywheel and starter and be capable of starting and moving forward without being pushed. The car must self start at least once during each race session. Flywheel must be fully enclosed if mounted behind motor plate. Flywheel mounted in front of motor plate must be enclosed at top and both sides. Motor must remain in front of upright.

EXHAUST SYSTEM

Must be mounted in such a manner as to direct exhaust gasses away from cockpit and away from areas of possible fuel spillage. Mufflers are required.

BATTERY AND IGNITION SYSTEM

Magnetos, Point or Electronic Ignition are allowed. Battery must be securely mounted and fully enclosed. Gel-cells recommended No electronic traction control.

BODIES & FRAMES

Sprint car tail, hood, side panels, and floor pan are required. Body parts may be fiberglass or aluminum material. Must be sprint car appearing. Roll cages and chassis must be constructed of seamless steel tubing that is at least 1.375 inches OD. All chassis and roll cage components must be bent to shape without crimps or creases. The recommended minimum wall thickness is .095. Aluminum frames are not allowed. The top of all roll cages must be a minimum of 2 inches higher than the top of the driver's helmet, while the driver is seated in a normal driving position. Helmet catch nets on right side of cockpit are optional.

Firewall required between driver area and engine. Bumpers and nerf bars are mandatory and must be securely mounted. Front bumper must be aluminum or steel. Rear bumper must be steel 1 inch O.D. .085 thickness minimum. Nerf bars 1 inch O.D. .085 thickness minimum (aluminum or steel). They must be bolted on (no cotter pins). Nerf bars must not extend beyond the outside edge of the tires. Opening on right side of cockpit must be a minimum of 10 vertical inches.

SUSPENSION

Solid Grade 8 or better bolts must be used to attach all steering components. Cars must have a quick disconnect steering wheel. All suspension systems must be mechanical.
Cars cannot have shock absorber or suspension adjustment mechanisms in the cockpit.
Computer operated or controlled chassis adjustment parts or components or chassis component adjustable through any form of electrical assistance are not allowed. Electronic traction control of any kind is not allowed.

DRIVELINE-REARENDS

Quick change rear ends only. Steel torque tube safety loop securely mounted to frame is required under the drivers seat.

WHEEL BASE

Minimum wheelbase is 83 inches, maximum wheelbase is 90 inches. Measurement will be from the center of the front hub to the center of the rear hub on the shortest side measured.

BRAKES

Disc brakes only. Minimum of one operable front and one operable rear brake. Inboard brakes are allowed. No carbon fiber rotors are allowed.

FUEL

Alcohol or pump gas only. No octane, nitro or other performance additives allowed. Upper cylinder lubes are allowed. Fuel lines must be steel or braided line through the cockpit area. A fuel cell with a bladder is mandatory. The tank, fuel cell and bladder must be securely mounted. Fuel hydrometer readings for alcohol must not exceed .796 and .750 for gas corrected for temperature. Fuel checks may be run anytime during the events or following the feature. Fuel samples may be taken for analysis and prize money may be withheld until results are known. It will be the responsibility of the participant to remove any cover or cap on the tank for the purpose of obtaining a sample for a fuel check.

If fuel tests indicate the presence of additives, the competitor is subject to disqualification, forfeiture of points for the season and money for the night.

TIRES AND WHEELS

Sprint Car wheels and tires only.

WINGS

Top wing mandatory. Not to exceed 16 square ft area. Width not to exceed width of rear wheels. Wicker Bill not to exceed 1 inch in height measured from the upper wing surface. Side boards not to exceed 30 inches high x 72 inches long. Right side board cannot obstruct drivers view in normal running position. No hydraulic wing sliders allowed. Wing cannot be adjustable from cockpit while car is in motion. No pneumatic air cylinders allowed. Front/Nose wing are allowed, but not mandatory. Surface area not to exceed 24 inches long by 37 inches wide. Side board maximum 12 inches high by 24 inches wide. No wedges or foils underneath race car. No pieces may be added to the basic frame as to resemble, imitate or be specifically designed to deflect, trap or form a wind break of any nature, except those used to cool or protect the motor and braking system.



TABLE 1
Block Casting Numbers From: Catalog of Chevy V8 casting numbers

355909 361979 460776 460777 460778 471511

581671 14010201 14010202 14010203 14010231 14016381

14016382 14016383 14049047 14088551 14093627 14102058



TABLE 2
Head Casting Numbers From: Catalog of Chevy V8 casting numbers

354434 358741 367450 462614 474424 474213

14010201 14014415 14014416 14014417 14014418 14014440

14020516 14020555 14022301 14022601 14022603
 
from this fans point of view

I like going to the races. I usally get to the ones nearby, but here are some of the things i like and dis-like from the tracks i have been to. ( mt.vernon, highland, flora, brownstown, godfrey, belleville, charleston, tri-city, sedila and pevely.):
1. Organization!!! when the race is called. the cars come out. not 5,10, or 15 mins later.

2. Seating. I or my wife dont like to be packed in.

3. Visability. can we watch the race completely. sorry, we dont like half mile or bigger tracks.

4. consessions and facilities. not looking for Olive garden, but a good selection (beer is nice but not required) and somewhat clean restroom.

5. Good competition. not a one-sided race.

6. Price. are we getting what we are paying for? notice this is one of the last things i look for. anyone will tell you, if you offer a quality service, people will pay more than for a so/so service. I have been in business for 7 years, and i know my prices are higher then my competition, and yet i still grow at 15% or better each year. cause we offer a quality service. give the customer more than they expect. we overdeliver than what the customer expects.

7. 50/50's. not much to say, cept i think highland has one of the best 50/50 drawings of all the tracks i have been to.

and i belive brownstown and sedila are two of the best organized tracks we have been to. when the race is called, either your there or your not racing.

some of the things we dis-like are:
1. un-clean enviroment, dirty seats and trash everywhere. we know were at a dirt track, but we dont expect to have to sit in it from the start.

2. no security. if someone get out of hand, get them out of there.

3. tracks that change the rules to whatever the feel at the moment. just asking to keep everything equal.

sorry if i offend anyone, these are just my opinions, and im sure i am missing somethings. but these are just some of the more important items we look for as a fan.



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