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6martinfan
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A couple of Roush/Yates motors, you goober.
Swappin Paint
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This is a comment post on the Detroit Free Press website dicussing the "BIG 3 American Automakers". Just thought it was kinda funny.
A Japanese company and an American company decided to have a canoe race on the Missouri River . Both teams practiced long and hard to reach their peak performance before the race.
On the big day, the Japanese won by a mile.
The Americans, very discouraged and depressed, decided to investigate the reason for the crushing defeat. A management team made up of senior management was formed to investigate and recommend appropriate action.
Their conclusion was the Japanese had 8 people rowing and 1 person steering, while the American team had 8 people steering and 1 person rowing.
Feeling a deeper study was in order, American management hired a consulting company and paid them a large amount of money for a second opinion. They advised, of course, that too many people were steering the boat, while not enough people were rowing.
Not sure of how to utilize that information, but wanting to prevent another loss to the Japanese, the rowing team's management structure was totally reorganized to 4 steering supervisors, 3 area steering superintendents and 1 assistant superintendent steering manager.
They also implemented a new performance system that would give the 1 person rowing the boat greater incentive to work harder. It was called the "Rowing Team Quality First Program", with meetings, dinners and free pens for the rower. There was discussion of getting new paddles, canoes and other equipment, extra vacation days for practices and bonuses.
The next year the Japanese won by two miles.
Humiliated, the American management laid off the rower for poor performance, halted development of a new canoe, sold the paddles, and canceled all capital investments for new equipment. The money saved was distributed to the Senior Executives as bonuses and the next year's racing team was out-sourced to India.
A Japanese company and an American company decided to have a canoe race on the Missouri River . Both teams practiced long and hard to reach their peak performance before the race.
On the big day, the Japanese won by a mile.
The Americans, very discouraged and depressed, decided to investigate the reason for the crushing defeat. A management team made up of senior management was formed to investigate and recommend appropriate action.
Their conclusion was the Japanese had 8 people rowing and 1 person steering, while the American team had 8 people steering and 1 person rowing.
Feeling a deeper study was in order, American management hired a consulting company and paid them a large amount of money for a second opinion. They advised, of course, that too many people were steering the boat, while not enough people were rowing.
Not sure of how to utilize that information, but wanting to prevent another loss to the Japanese, the rowing team's management structure was totally reorganized to 4 steering supervisors, 3 area steering superintendents and 1 assistant superintendent steering manager.
They also implemented a new performance system that would give the 1 person rowing the boat greater incentive to work harder. It was called the "Rowing Team Quality First Program", with meetings, dinners and free pens for the rower. There was discussion of getting new paddles, canoes and other equipment, extra vacation days for practices and bonuses.
The next year the Japanese won by two miles.
Humiliated, the American management laid off the rower for poor performance, halted development of a new canoe, sold the paddles, and canceled all capital investments for new equipment. The money saved was distributed to the Senior Executives as bonuses and the next year's racing team was out-sourced to India.
Legendery1
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I am not sure exactly where this thread goes, but I think the original intent was the dissatificaiton with NASCAR car owners and also the fans with seeing the riceburners racing in an American sport. Since NASCAR is a business and is money driven, it was only a matter of time until the car manufacurer with the most $$ is going to spend on a very popular way of advertising by putting their products on the track for everyone to see. Unfortunatly with the $$ the Japanese have to spend from making their low cost, poor quality products, it may only be a matter of time before their large pocketbooks will ruin the car series as it has the truck series. Let us hope it does not happen. The day will NEVER come when a Japanese product will ever have the quality or performance of a GM product or even a Ford for that matter.
There was also a question as to what constitues a foreign or an American auto. I think we all know what manufactures were created, developed and managed in the US and which have their roots in other countries.
I am not sure exactly where this thread goes, but I think the original intent was the dissatificaiton with NASCAR car owners and also the fans with seeing the riceburners racing in an American sport. Since NASCAR is a business and is money driven, it was only a matter of time until the car manufacurer with the most $$ is going to spend on a very popular way of advertising by putting their products on the track for everyone to see. Unfortunatly with the $$ the Japanese have to spend from making their low cost, poor quality products, it may only be a matter of time before their large pocketbooks will ruin the car series as it has the truck series. Let us hope it does not happen. The day will NEVER come when a Japanese product will ever have the quality or performance of a GM product or even a Ford for that matter.
There was also a question as to what constitues a foreign or an American auto. I think we all know what manufactures were created, developed and managed in the US and which have their roots in other countries.
What Rock do you live under
Dude 1 week off the crack pipe for you. Obviously you are on a bad trip. If it wasn't for the Japanese cars, American cars would still be shot at 70,000 miles.
Dude 1 week off the crack pipe for you. Obviously you are on a bad trip. If it wasn't for the Japanese cars, American cars would still be shot at 70,000 miles.
mad daddy
GOT DIRT?
POOR QUALITY HUH MY BROTHER IN LAW SOLD AN 89 CELICA WITH ONLY About 485 thousand it's still onthe road today just think if had that GM quality don't getme started with ford check engine light on with less than 15 k miles
Pitboss88
Racing Paparazzi
Too Funny, I'm rolling on the floor, LMAO
The day HAS BEEN here for along time. As bad as it hurts you to face the truth, the American manufactures have been scrambling ever since to come close to the quality or reliability of the "riceburners." For the record, I think they are getting closer. But with the money problems the big 3 are having, it could be too little too late. I hope not, but let me know when your Chevy or Ford or Dodge has 225,000 miles on it and still runs like a top. But hey, whatever makes you feel like a patriot.
The day HAS BEEN here for along time. As bad as it hurts you to face the truth, the American manufactures have been scrambling ever since to come close to the quality or reliability of the "riceburners." For the record, I think they are getting closer. But with the money problems the big 3 are having, it could be too little too late. I hope not, but let me know when your Chevy or Ford or Dodge has 225,000 miles on it and still runs like a top. But hey, whatever makes you feel like a patriot.
midget racer
Open Wheeler
wow.. i gotta agree with the mutt here. them jap cars, as much as i hate to admit it, seem to run forever, but when the american stuff gets 120k or so, you just gotta believe it's gonna eat ya alive with extra maintenance and repairs. like i say, i am a avid supporter of american made products, but i live in the real world, and in the real world, this jap stuff goes and goes and goes....
JPR
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225,000 Patriot?
I hope not, but let me know when your Chevy or Ford or Dodge has 225,000 miles on it and still runs like a top. But hey, whatever makes you feel like a patriot Must be a fluke here...97 Ranger, 3.0 v-6 5 speed manual trans 251,736 a lot of that is pulling a 6x12 cargo trailer loaded down all over the mid west. Pilot bearing at 241,000k been the most involved repair so far. And no, it is not on a strict maintenance program either. The fact that I drive an American manufacturer product does not make me Patriot nor does it make me inferior since its not a Japanese product. Oh, I must admit it does not stop worth a flip since I installed the Chinese manufactured brake pads from Autozone
I hope not, but let me know when your Chevy or Ford or Dodge has 225,000 miles on it and still runs like a top. But hey, whatever makes you feel like a patriot Must be a fluke here...97 Ranger, 3.0 v-6 5 speed manual trans 251,736 a lot of that is pulling a 6x12 cargo trailer loaded down all over the mid west. Pilot bearing at 241,000k been the most involved repair so far. And no, it is not on a strict maintenance program either. The fact that I drive an American manufacturer product does not make me Patriot nor does it make me inferior since its not a Japanese product. Oh, I must admit it does not stop worth a flip since I installed the Chinese manufactured brake pads from Autozone
Pitboss88
Racing Paparazzi
Well, there are always exceptions to the rule. I did say that I believe that the quality gap has closed, I guess you just proved it. And my "patriot" remark was simply made to those with a close minded mentally, who seemed determined to shout down other peoples opinions no matter what the facts are. Now I'm sure I'll be ripped for that statement, but I really don't care. To each his own. And for the record I own one vehicle made by an American manufacturer, and one designed by a Japanese company, but built by American workers, on American soil. And plans are in the work to buy another vehicle made by an American company. Unfortunately a few that we have looked at were built in MEXICO. As long as the quality gap continues to close, I will support them. But I still love my little "riceburner". What can I say?
midget racer
Open Wheeler
mutt, the stuff you get from autozone is the same stuff you get from oreillys, advance, pepboys, and most others, and you know it. thats why they all honor each other's prices.
mad daddy
GOT DIRT?
read it and weep http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_RangerI hope not, but let me know when your Chevy or Ford or Dodge has 225,000 miles on it and still runs like a top. But hey, whatever makes you feel like a patriot Must be a fluke here...97 Ranger, 3.0 v-6 5 speed manual trans 251,736 a lot of that is pulling a 6x12 cargo trailer loaded down all over the mid west. Pilot bearing at 241,000k been the most involved repair so far. And no, it is not on a strict maintenance program either. The fact that I drive an American manufacturer product does not make me Patriot nor does it make me inferior since its not a Japanese product. Oh, I must admit it does not stop worth a flip since I installed the Chinese manufactured brake pads from Autozone
The problems the "big3" are having doesn't have anything to do with foreign companies Its because a new truck is $30,000 to $50,000 and you can't buy a car for less than $25,000 unless its a box on wheels.
Originally Posted by JPR
I hope not, but let me know when your Chevy or Ford or Dodge has 225,000 miles on it and still runs like a top.
1987 ford mustang 268,000 miles still goes fast enough to scare my friend just for different reasons now.
Originally Posted by JPR
I hope not, but let me know when your Chevy or Ford or Dodge has 225,000 miles on it and still runs like a top.
1987 ford mustang 268,000 miles still goes fast enough to scare my friend just for different reasons now.
I have to agree that the japanese cars are much more reliable. Here is my experience with them compared to my experience with "American" owned/made.
90 Corrolla - 220,000 - sold it about 7 years ago, still see it around town sometimes.
99 Corrolla - 190,000 - still have it, put break pads, tires and gas in it, thats it.
90 Chevy - When it reached 150,000 i had already put two transmissions in it and the third was going, it wasnt running right, seemed like it had half the power, radio was not working right, Pile of crap
90 Ford Ranger - at 40,000 it was blowing black smoke, had to have the break system completely redone and i got rid of it at about 50,000. Pile of crap.
96 Ford Explorer - at 120,000, the transmission went out, mechanic said that was about right for the explorer, the door handles all broke at various times, talked to other people who had the same vehicle and they had the same problems, pile of crap
I will be buying a new Tacoma in the near future and I expect it to run for at least 250,000 if I don't trade it in on a newer one before then. Plus, the resale value is much better on these japanese cars.
Bottom line is, if its made in America....its probably a pile of crap and overpriced because our assembly line workers think they deserve 25/hr to screw in four screws on a door panel. (thats a bit of an exagerration but you get the idea). Okay, tee off on my opionion everybody.
90 Corrolla - 220,000 - sold it about 7 years ago, still see it around town sometimes.
99 Corrolla - 190,000 - still have it, put break pads, tires and gas in it, thats it.
90 Chevy - When it reached 150,000 i had already put two transmissions in it and the third was going, it wasnt running right, seemed like it had half the power, radio was not working right, Pile of crap
90 Ford Ranger - at 40,000 it was blowing black smoke, had to have the break system completely redone and i got rid of it at about 50,000. Pile of crap.
96 Ford Explorer - at 120,000, the transmission went out, mechanic said that was about right for the explorer, the door handles all broke at various times, talked to other people who had the same vehicle and they had the same problems, pile of crap
I will be buying a new Tacoma in the near future and I expect it to run for at least 250,000 if I don't trade it in on a newer one before then. Plus, the resale value is much better on these japanese cars.
Bottom line is, if its made in America....its probably a pile of crap and overpriced because our assembly line workers think they deserve 25/hr to screw in four screws on a door panel. (thats a bit of an exagerration but you get the idea). Okay, tee off on my opionion everybody.
"Bottom line is, if its made in America....its probably a pile of crap and overpriced because our assembly line workers think they deserve 25/hr to screw in four screws on a door panel. (thats a bit of an exagerration but you get the idea). Okay, tee off on my opionion everybody." Have to agree with ya on that one! As much as I hate to say it there lies the problem, the work force. How can American manufacters not be overpriced when they pay their workers to do nothing 50% of the time
