Bedrock rules meeting....7 Feb 2010

Thank you Larry. That's the kind of input needed to settle this issue. Last year was a bust....and dragging it up over and over will not help the track or the racers. Let's figure it out now, get it in writiing and then enforce the he!! out of it.

So is this agreeable:
10hp blocks flathead or OHV and 2 strokes up to 150cc = 360 min. weight
OHV greater than 399cc = min. weight 415, adjusted if needed
Engines must be designed for karting or based on avaiable industrial engines.
ATV, motorcycle, and snowmobile engines are strictly prohibited.
All engines must be single cylinder.
No twin engine karts allowed.
No shifter engines.
 
Toby, This is getting real close to being acceptable.Only one question from me,aren't the big bore-Stars over 400ccs ?? If that's the case shouldn't they add weight to 400-420 as suggested by Scott?? JMO
 
Toby your last post is somthing that is a lot better than your first. I got nothing against the 450cc honda i got one to but i would like to run somthing that cost a lot less money to maintain.
 
I can't make it to the meeting, but i like where the rules are going.
I would like to keep the weight at 375 not 360, but i can live with the rest of it.
thanks Kevin Adney
 
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what about the guys who have the big motors? where are they supposed to race?? in my opinion heres what they should...

4-strokes:
max 500cc limit for4-strokes anything over390cc have a min weight 4strokes must be a single cylinder no cylinders allowed.

2-strokes:
engines that do not exceed 150cc set a min weight, for engines that exceed 150cc must have a min weight and must be air cooled.motor4s with twin cylinders must nor exceed 250cc and min weight should be set. no dual motors

this would be the best way to go through my eyes because i have a friend who has a twin cylinder 2-cycle 208 Brunelli air cooled and he weighs over 500lbs in his kart and its gonna **** if he cant race anywhere because of his engine..maybe if the rules dont allow a twin cylinder engine maybe frank could make an acception...
 
All the new kart engines except the BRC are water cooled and can be had for a cheep price why not allow them.
 
Some of the stars are over 400 cc but they are flat heads & are less efficent than the OHV valve engine, thus are capable of less HP than the OHV, that is why I would suggest just the OHV & 2strokes over 135 cc engines weight 415 to 420
Scott
 
How about this:confused::confused::D


Proposed outlaw Rules


360 lbs Flat heads less than 360 cc, 2 strokes 115 cc or less

375 lbs Flat heads over 365 to 400 cc, 2 strokes 115 to 125

400 lbs flat heads over 400 cc, ohv engines to 400 cc, 2 strokes over 125 cc to 150 cc

420 lbs ohv engines over 400 cc & strokes over 150 cc

Max engine size, 2 Stroke 200cc, Flat head 500 cc, OHV 475 cc.
Single cylinder only, NO ATV, Motor cycle, Snow mobile, or Shifter. engines allowed.

1. ??? Tires slicks or grooved tires for Karting only will It be Burris only are Hoosiers allowed.
Was a Burris only track at 1 time?
Will running Hoosiers jeopardize the Burris program for Stock classes.
 
raced bedrock once in 09 nice track and nice people.just hard to get off in time to make 2hr drive.wish all local tracks would get on same page with outlaw class.jmo
 
Scott Baur #B said:
How about this:confused::confused::D


Proposed outlaw Rules


360 lbs Flat heads less than 360 cc, 2 strokes 115 cc or less

375 lbs Flat heads over 365 to 400 cc, 2 strokes 115 to 125

400 lbs flat heads over 400 cc, ohv engines to 400 cc, 2 strokes over 125 cc to 150 cc

420 lbs ohv engines over 400 cc & strokes over 150 cc

Max engine size, 2 Stroke 200cc, Flat head 500 cc, OHV 475 cc.
Single cylinder only, NO ATV, Motor cycle, Snow mobile, or Shifter. engines allowed.

1. ??? Tires slicks or grooved tires for Karting only will It be Burris only are Hoosiers allowed.
Was a Burris only track at 1 time?
Will running Hoosiers jeopardize the Burris program for Stock classes.
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The only thing I see wrong with this is the small OHV weight. So if I am reading this right a OPEN Animal , a 249cc OHV, and a stock 305 all have to weigh 400 lbs?:confused::confused::confused: I run two of the above mentioned engines and there is NO WAY I could be competive at 400lbs. The reason I run the smaller engines is because of my weight with these rules I would have to bolt on 78lbs. of lead.
Now I will say I really cant rant and rave about bedrock's rules because the chances of me racing there on a regular basis is not likely. BUT, the reason I am concerned is I do plan on running Rockbranch. And I really would hate to see them adopt the same set of rules as bedrock with the small OHV weights.
 
Scott....I think you nailed it with one exception. I agree with racer85 move the ohv's up to 399cc to the 375 weight.

We should allow TaG and water cooled motors as well. Their are some very good power plants available because the TaG rules changed a few years back.

Scott....the tire deal was cleared thru Burris, so the stock classes are good to go. I say leave it an open tire rulle....go kart tire!

As far as the big motors I am 99.999% sure that if three of them show up a true RWYB class would be added.
 
I could care less about what uas rules are & how much a390 should wieght with there rules this is about opening up the class at Bedrock & keeping the racing fair here not on the east coast. a 399 cc ohv in the 375 class is what stated all this in the 1st place toby, I could see moving the 399 down some. in my opinion it a ohv engine with the same cu in as a flat head at the same weight is a bad move. I could see moving just the animal block down to 375 but not everthing below 400 cc thats what started all this in the 1st place.
 
Hopefully everyone can see the attached file.


Don't be hatin'.....it still says PROPOSED in bold. :D
 

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Scott Baur #B said:
I could care less about what uas rules are & how much a390 should wieght with there rules this is about opening up the class at Bedrock & keeping the racing fair here not on the east coast. a 399 cc ohv in the 375 class is what stated all this in the 1st place toby, I could see moving the 399 down some. in my opinion it a ohv engine with the same cu in as a flat head at the same weight is a bad move. I could see moving just the animal block down to 375 but not everthing below 400 cc thats what started all this in the 1st place.
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So you are saying it is fair that I have to run my 305 cc (8 hp block) OHV motor at 400 lbs, I understand your protest of the 390's at 375 lbs but maybe think about making the weight break below 390cc's so not to include the big honda's and clone's at 375 lbs. All I am saying is not everybody runs STAR motors and I think you need to take in consideration the NUMEROUS combinations of engines that other people are running in this area.
 
RACER 85 said:
So you are saying it is fair that I have to run my 305 cc (8 hp block) OHV motor at 400 lbs, I understand your protest of the 390's at 375 lbs but maybe think about making the weight break below 390cc's so not to include the big honda's and clone's at 375 lbs. All I am saying is not everybody runs STAR motors and I think you need to take in consideration the NUMEROUS combinations of engines that other people are running in this area.
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PLEASE read the attchment that's been posted.....OHV"s to 400cc will be 375.
 
racer 85 I beleive if you were to read the new rules your question would have been answered, you are right a 305 should have to run the same wieght as a 390, thats why we made the 390 have to wieght more we gave a wieght break to the 305s & the animals& also made the stroked stars add some wieght. & if you dont like that I run star engines that to bad, I dont care, I have a couple of 305 & a couple of hondas I will run this year too. I think the new rules are pretty fair. if you have better idea you should have come to the rules meeting, or at least post something costructive for all to read. it looks like you want to stir the pot to me & pick a fight.I was there & I beleive all the different engine cobos were & are repesented,as I tried to explain before to put aflat head & a ohv with the same cuin is not equal or fair.
 
2010 Rules were hammered out at the meeting and I'll post them in a new thread this afternoon.


I'd like to thank each racer that took time to attend the meeting. The input and debate were exactly what was needed to put this together.

Hoping for a great 2010 season.

John Hobson had some very good info and ideas for the coming season concerning the clone series. I'm hoping to make some of the proposed races.
 
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